Could it happen in MotoGP?

MichaelBolton said:

Do I have to be the first one to point out that they only won the domestic league of England?

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First of all Mickael Bolton, your name is Michael Bolton? Rrally? WTF?

Second, I'll tell you the same .... I told my friend who "pointed" out the same mistaken point you attempt to make..

I'll tell you the same think I told Rog.

World mifucker, the English Premier League is the pinnacle of the sport. It's why we can say in America the World Series Champions are 'WORLD' champions, because we are the world center of the sport. Just like England for soccer. So Leicester City are the WORLD Champions.

Have you ever watched the Dave Cheppelle show? All I'll say is, .... your couch.

It's too ban you live so far, we're gonna go out drinking tonight.

I wish I had a friend named michael Bolton. So I could tell my friends, hey, Michael Bolton is coming over.

And then they'd say. What? Michael Bolton? Then I'd say. Yeah.

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There are sentient beings beyond Ursa Major who rightly take umbrage at the Mr Universe contest.

There are in fact sentient beings in Canada and South America that take umbrage at the US calling itself America.


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Football champion of the world? Epl is neither the world Cup nor the champions league.
It is aftee the spanish,italian and German league the fourtg best league.

Can a relatively unknown rider come along and blitz the wealthy world supersport teams on his shed build bike?
If the shed is equipped as well as leicester, yup.

Money isn't everything as English football has been proving for years,especially this one.
So in all honesty,go leicester

I live in England and it feels like a world championship for Leicester!!

What a great story.

Would rather England won the World Cup though!

povol said:

I guess this is big, the betting odds were 5000 to 1. It was kind of a joke to put out that figure, but it ended up costing bookies 25 million so far.

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Said to have been higher odds than of Kim Kardashian becoming President, or of Elvis rocking up again (as reported on local news)

It'd be like a satellite Honda or Yamaha winning the championship.

Or the ktm !

AntG said:

Not likely, football is a sport played by teams of 11 men, some of those men may be technically better than others but they are still men. To win in football you need a team of men with good ability, great teamwork and great spirit, to win in MotoGP, you need a great machine under you.

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I dont know man, the team aspect of bike racing doesnt get enough credit in my opinion. Having a great bike is all part of the team work, having really solid guys to set the bike up, really great leaders to stroke and soothe ego's etc etc. You might win a race here and there, but a solid team is almost always essential in winning a title.

Jumkie said:

Povol, imagine a Miracle on Ice 36 times.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

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I'm not surprised hard work paid off here. A little less flailing and a little more toughness would be very original in soccer.

povol said:

I know nothing about soccer, but im assuming like most stick and ball sports, acquiring a couple of elite players from one season to the other can turn a perennial doormat into a contender over night. Is this what happened here. More unlikely than the Miracle on Ice, thats a pretty heady statement there. Again though, i know nothing about the sport.

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This is 100x more unlikely than the Miracle on Ice which was awesome by itself but any team can beat any team at any time if it is 1 game only but over a season it is much much harder.

I believe the Leceister City's budget is GPB55m which some of the other teams spend on the purchase of one player or salaries of 2 or 3 players. The betting houses were quoting this 5000 to 1 at the beginning of the season. Leicester City had to have an increadible run last year not to be relegated and the following year they win one of the toughest soccer leagues in the world. THAT is an incredible awesome achievement not to be repeated any time soon.

cucoloco said:

This is 100x more unlikely than the Miracle on Ice which was awesome by itself but any team can beat any team at any time if it is 1 game only but over a season it is much much harder.

I believe the Leceister City's budget is GPB55m which some of the other teams spend on the purchase of one player or salaries of 2 or 3 players. The betting houses were quoting this 5000 to 1 at the beginning of the season. Leicester City had to have an increadible run last year not to be relegated and the following year they win one of the toughest soccer leagues in the world. THAT is an incredible awesome achievement not to be repeated any time soon.

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Im seeing where they won the title by another team tying their closest competitor, eliminating them from contention. It sounds like American sports regular season with no playoffs.

Jumkie said:

First of all Mickael Bolton, your name is Michael Bolton? Rrally? WTF?

Second, I'll tell you the same .... I told my friend who "pointed" out the same mistaken point you attempt to make..

I'll tell you the same think I told Rog.

World mifucker, the English Premier League is the pinnacle of the sport. It's why we can say in America the World Series Champions are 'WORLD' champions, because we are the world center of the sport. Just like England for soccer. So Leicester City are the WORLD Champions.

Have you ever watched the Dave Cheppelle show? All I'll say is, .... your couch.

It's too ban you live so far, we're gonna go out drinking tonight.

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EPL the pinnacle of the sport? Not based on past achievements in Champions League, Europa League, Euro Cup and World Cup participations. Although I am a Spaniard and believe that the EPL is the most attractive soccer league I do definitely not think it is the pinnacle of soccer. Spain, German and possibly Italy are at the very least as strong as EPL with at least Spain (could include Germany) being stronger (Barcelona, Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid being in the final four of the Champions League).

povol said:

Im seeing where they won the title by another team tying their closest competitor, eliminating them from contention. It sounds like American sports regular season with no playoffs.

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Because that is exactly what it is, it is a regular season with no playoffs. I know that in the USA (I have been living in Houston for the last 12 years) a sport that allows ties and that does not have playoffs is unpopular and is not understood. I personally see both sides but I believe it does reward consistency throughout the year.

cucoloco said:

EPL the pinnacle of the sport? Not based on past achievements in Champions League, Europa League, Euro Cup and World Cup participations. Although I am a Spaniard and believe that the EPL is the most attractive soccer league I do definitely not think it is the pinnacle of soccer. Spain, German and possibly Italy are at the very least as strong as EPL with at least Spain (could include Germany) being stronger (Barcelona, Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid being in the final four of the Champions League).

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I believe you will see man city in the champions league semis, not Barcelona

Dr No said:

There are sentient beings beyond Ursa Major who rightly take umbrage at the Mr Universe contest.

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Good one, however I'm not sure there are men on other planets lifting weights and taking steroids to look like "Mr. Universe". To be honest, if there is life somewhere else in the universe, they're unlikey to be like mankind. Anyway, I'd say, using the same rationale for the World Series Champions as 'World' champions applies. We can conclude, the Mr. Universe contest only happens in one place in the universe, and it's here on Earth.

Edit to add:

Though you make a good point about the Universe, I never used to call the United States of America by referring to it as "America". Only recently had i started to reference it that way and only do so amongst an international audience (such as this forum) and only for your collective consumption (allow me to explain). I grew up calling my country of birth the 'United States of America' (USA for short) because having parents from Mexico, and a sister who was a teacher in Mexico, I was the taught that the official name of Mexico is "The United States of Mexico" (in Spanish it's Estados Unidos Mexicanos, which incidentally has a variety of ways it's translated into English). So, simply saying the "United States" wasn't enough growing up, as my sister liked to point out "Which 'United States' are you talking about?" Btw she would also point out "Americans" are people from the American continents. However, this is where colloquialism comes in, obviously the modern use is to say United States to refer to USA and Mexico (for short) to refer to Estados Unidos Mexicanos.

It wasn't until I started traveling abroad did I hear people refer to USA as "America". I don't particularly like it given the way I was brought up to refer to it this way. But in the UK is where I heard this the most. So for yours and other English speakers have referred to USA as simply "America" as an abbreviation.

povol said:

I know nothing about soccer, but im assuming like most stick and ball sports, acquiring a couple of elite players from one season to the other can turn a perennial doormat into a contender over night. Is this what happened here. More unlikely than the Miracle on Ice, thats a pretty heady statement there. Again though, i know nothing about the sport.

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Explaining the Leicester City story to Americans - BBC News

povol said:

Im seeing where they won the title by another team tying their closest competitor, eliminating them from contention. It sounds like American sports regular season with no playoffs.

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Correct, no playoff system. Each team plays one home game one away, 3 points for win, 1 for tie. 38 weeks, 20 teams. They tally the points and the one with the most wins the title. (There are title points tie breaker rules).

However, add to this the 3 worst teams any given season are "relegated" that is, demoted to the next lower division, think of it as minor league in baseball, with each lower division like AAA ball, AA, and single A. Leicester were in AAA ball 2 years ago and were in last place fighting to stay in the "majors". In fact they had to win the last 10 games to stay up, which they did. It was dubbed The Great Escape.

http://www.theguardian.com/football...ty-players-celebrate-premier-league-win-video

cucoloco said:

EPL the pinnacle of the sport? Not based on past achievements in Champions League, Europa League, Euro Cup and World Cup participations. Although I am a Spaniard and believe that the EPL is the most attractive soccer league I do definitely not think it is the pinnacle of soccer. Spain, German and possibly Italy are at the very least as strong as EPL with at least Spain (could include Germany) being stronger (Barcelona, Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid being in the final four of the Champions League).

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Yes, the English Premier League is the pinnacle of the sport! In terms of a season long competition over 38 matches, the winner we can safely say is the world champion amongst the top flight of soccer. What you are mistaking for a "league" is a European TOURNAMENT, in short called "the Champions League" though North American also has a "champions league" too, did you know? I doubt you'd recognize it as equal to the European one, as much as I wouldn't equate the English Premier League to what is referred to as the "Spanish League." But it can be called whatever actually, however a champions "league" it is not, it is a tournament.

Top to bottom, the English Premier League (EPL) is by far the most competitive 'league' in the 'world'. The European tournament doesn't determine the parity amongst each individual leagues (though indirectly it does shed some light on the matter, though beyond the scope of this post). The Spanish "league" doesn't come close. You have two outliers, which we could call 'fantasy league teams'. Barcelona and Real Madrid exist because of the unique culture in Spain that allows and encourages lopsided competition for a group of teams which they call "league" play. Make no mistake, La Liga is a "league" in name only, no more representative as the Champions League 'tournament' being a "league" (which is not). What you have in the Spanish "league" are two teams with 17 fillers. The only team worthy of respect is Atletico Madrid. And even today Atletico is tied in points, which should give you an idea whether Barca or RM could survive an entire season in the EPL, given they'd face the equivalent of a Atleticoesk match 'every' match day. Not just twice in a whole season.

Barcelona and Real Madrid each get about 140 million Euro from TV revenue, the next closest Valencia and Atletico get about 45, the lower table teams get 18. EPL has a more level distribution because frankly people tune in to watch lower table teams and see a high level of competition. Here you hardly if at all see lower Spanish matches televised, why, because the competition is a joke, which makes the Spanish "league" a joke. It is not a league at all, it is a typical Spanish system that allows for two super teams to operate in a group of teams, appearance of competition that appears as a "league" wilst racking up hollow records for those two teams (and players) because they are super teams competing against 2nd division teams in terms of parity. A goal in the Spanish league does not equal a goal on the Premier League, much less a win! It's why regularly you see Barca & RM rack up multiple goals, often multiple hat tricks. José Mourinho (generally accepted as one of the great managers currently in the sport) last year's manager who led Chelsea to the EPL title, said when he managed Real Madrid he "knew going into games he would absolutely win" and added, this is a "bad thing" because it showed how lopsided the parity is in the Spanish "league"; and made the point in the EPL no match can be predicted. A last place team can beat a first place any given match. It is why the Spanish make such a big event out of the two times Barcelona and Real Madrid play each other, they even gave it a pompous name "El Clasico", because it is one of very few games in the entire Spanish season that the outcome is not predictable. Notice even in your post you couldn't manage to name more than 3 teams for the Spanish "league". Atletico is a special case, because they play with such determination but every time they play either RM or Barca they go in as heavy underdogs.

Italy and Germany are inferior leagues to the English Premier League, I doubt you can get anybody to dispute this, however, they also have outliers, which makes my point rather nicely. Bayer Munich and this year, Juventis are examples of these outliers. But past these top 2-3 teams the drop off to the rest of their respective leagues are a significant step down.