Concern for Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goldwing @ Sep 3 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are obviously a rider fan and not a fan of the sport itself as I am. Any text can be twisted to sound negative as you have just tried to do. Your inability to see genuine concern for a rider with huge potential is a pity. Further response to your post will only be a waste of time and effort. Enough said.
your very perceptive, jumkie is a huge hayden fanboy and stalker. has has even been known to clean and inspect his leathers for free while posing as an alpinestar employee

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 3 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your very perceptive, jumkie is a huge hayden fanboy and stalker. has has even been known to clean and inspect his leathers for free while posing as an alpinestar employee
And the best part is that it is true.

Stoner has had some .... luck lately. Wiped out fighting to win due to his fault at Laguna but even so finished second after picking his bike up and restarting. Wiped out due to his fault pushing hard in front in Brno DNF trying to win. Wiped out due to mechanical/physical problem and his fault for pushing a faulty front end again 3 seconds in front trying to win. I see this as normal give it .... at the limit racing not anything else. Give some credit to Stoner in the development area. He is developing the bike without a capable teammate to help and useless data from a poorly run Ducati satellite team. Kawi/Suzuki are <u>just now</u> developing their machines to use front tires Ducati/Yamaha have had for a while and the difference in company size is there for all to see. All in all he is doing far better than most others have done against Rossi. Honda have been hopeless yet the small Ducati factory is taking it to Yamaha hardcore and for that I cheer. If not for Stoner Rossi would have <u>zero</u> competition. Would anyone really want that? Surely Dorna doesn't want a "total" Rossi parade and I'm sure Rossi doesn't want it. His fans? I can't speak for them but they seem to want psuedo-competition against someone who will try and fail every time.

Crashing in 3 consecutive races is a mental problem. Casey should focus on trying to win Indy. If he doesn't, aiming for 1st qual and 3rd place should be his goal for all races thereafter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Sep 3 2008, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner has had some .... luck lately. Wiped out fighting to win due to his fault at Laguna but even so finished second after picking his bike up and restarting. Wiped out due to his fault pushing hard in front in Brno DNF trying to win. Wiped out due to mechanical/physical problem and his fault for pushing a faulty front end again 3 seconds in front trying to win. I see this as normal give it .... at the limit racing not anything else. Give some credit to Stoner in the development area. He is developing the bike without a capable teammate to help and useless data from a poorly run Ducati satellite team. Kawi/Suzuki are <u>just now</u> developing their machines to use front tires Ducati/Yamaha have had for a while and the difference in company size is there for all to see. All in all he is doing far better than most others have done against Rossi. Honda have been hopeless yet the small Ducati factory is taking it to Yamaha hardcore and for that I cheer. If not for Stoner Rossi would have <u>zero</u> competition. Would anyone really want that? Surely Dorna doesn't want a "total" Rossi parade and I'm sure Rossi doesn't want it. His fans? I can't speak for them but they seem to want psuedo-competition against someone who will try and fail every time.

you could have just said Stoner CHOKED 3 times in row and saved some type time brother

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Sep 3 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If not for Stoner Rossi would have <u>zero</u> competition. Would anyone really want that? Surely Dorna doesn't want a "total" Rossi parade and I'm sure Rossi doesn't want it. His fans? I can't speak for them but they seem to want psuedo-competition against someone who will try and fail every time.

Not every time, just enough times for Rossi to win.

[quote name='roger-m' date='Sep 3 2008, 02:04 PM' post='150144']
dont be a ...... all your life tom. only a total nonce would call the 04 yam (biaggi's creation)

Biaggis creation? so Yamaha waited a year after Biaggi was kicked out to use his ideas,what?!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 3 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dont be a ...... all your life tom. only a total nonce would call the 04 yam (biaggi's creation) a developed bike. rossi won because A. he had superhuman determination and B the competition wasnt the best even tho biaggi had the best bike he still couldn't ride it.
why do you insist on going round and round in circles tom. try ....... reading some posts then we wont need to keep repeating ourselves. you ask to many questions yet take in none of the answers. im on the verge of driving up the m3 here, we can meet at fleet.


Fight Fight!

My money is on the cider drinking Ninja!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 3 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dont be a ...... all your life tom. only a total nonce would call the 04 yam (biaggi's creation) a developed bike. rossi won because A. he had superhuman determination and B the competition wasnt the best even tho biaggi had the best bike he still couldn't ride it.

How can you talk Rossi's 04 ride up like this and give Stoner no credit for what he did even against Rossi, thats a bit of a double standard. I think that Rossi and team made excellent changes to the Yamaha to make it the winning bike it was, and i think Stoner and ducati did the same thing together. A decent season usually follows top notch preperation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 3 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you could have just said Stoner CHOKED 3 times in row and saved some type time brother


Stoner always has an excuse so i don't expect his fans to be any different

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 3 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can you talk Rossi's 04 ride up like this and give Stoner no credit for what he did even against Rossi, thats a bit of a double standard. I think that Rossi and team made excellent changes to the Yamaha to make it the winning bike it was, and i think Stoner and ducati did the same thing together. A decent season usually follows top notch preperation.I think you lack a little perspective there, it's not a double standard to suggest experienced Rossi/Burgess combo had more than a hand in the development, in fact there are chapters in books that explain their hand in that development. Whereas it is a stretch in my opinion to suggest a guy that couldn't even stay upright the previous year solely developed the GP7, especially given Capirossi's performance on the GP6 at Brno the previous year. Given that particular race, it seems all the goodies were there already & just need the correlation.

well i doubt barros and french did to much development work after biaggi and before rossi and it was biaggi who firast got his hands on the <strike>slipper clutch</strike> bike after the 2 strokes, so yeah biaggis creation !

forum not letting me reply to posts this is replying to Thom

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 3 2008, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i doubt barros and french did to much development work after biaggi and before rossi and it was biaggi who firast got his hands on the <strike>slipper clutch</strike> bike after the 2 strokes, so yeah biaggis creation !

forum not letting me reply to posts this is replying to Thom
Biaggis M1 had carbs not efi,bodywork similar to the 500 not its own,and that weird clutch that made a huge noise as it reengaged going into a corner,five valve heads not four,different firing order etc surely if Biaggi had access to a bike as good as the 04 (relative to the performance of the 02 and 03 m1 incarnations) hed use it?!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Sep 3 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Biaggis M1 had carbs not efi,bodywork similar to the 500 not its own,and that weird clutch that made a huge noise as it reengaged going into a corner,five valve heads not four,different firing order etc surely if Biaggi had access to a bike as good as the 04 (relative to the performance of the 02 and 03 m1 incarnations) hed use it?!2002 was the first season which allowed 990 cc 4-strokes to be raced alongside 500 cc 2-strokes. In a change from their V-4 YZR500, Yamaha designed the YZR-M1 (for "Mission One") with an inline-4 engine, in order to have a longer swingarm and shorter wheelbase. Also, Yamaha wanted to preserve the superior handling of the YZR500, so the M1's engine was designed to fit in a chassis similar to the YZR500's. The M1 was outfitted with an electronic engine management system that controlled the engine braking endemic to 4-strokes.[1][2]

The M1 was test-ridden and developed by Max Biaggi, John Kocinski, Norihiko Fujiwara and Kyoji Namba throughout 2001. It was raced in the 2002 season by Biaggi and Carlos Checa on the factory team, and towards the end of the season M1s were also provided to Norifumi Abe, Olivier Jacque and Shinya Nakano. In 2003, the engine went from carburetion to fuel injection, and the Engine Management System was changed to the Idle Control System.[3]

Biaggi achieved 2 wins in 2002, and placed second in the final standings as did Yamaha in the manufacturer's championship. In 2003, M1 riders were Checa, Alex Barros, Olivier Jacque, Marco Melandri, Shinya Nakano and Norifumi Abe, and there were no wins and Yamaha came in third in the manufacturer's championship.
taken from wiki. to be honesrt i canrt remember all rthe bikes ins and out as it was a long time ago but tyhis change was before rossi got his hands on the bike, so ok maybwe more chucka creation

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goldwing @ Sep 3 2008, 05:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are obviously a rider fan and not a fan of the sport itself as I am. Any text can be twisted to sound negative as you have just tried to do. Your inability to see genuine concern for a rider with huge potential is a pity. Further response to your post will only be a waste of time and effort. Enough said.
Don't be so easily discouraged from a little challenge to your words. Your post didn't ring as "genuine concern" in the lofty sense for Stoner; with the conditions that you applied. As far as me a Stoner fan, haha, no man, I bleed Hayden. The thing is I just don't like the perpetual digs and questions that persist about his character & his mental strength as you question. I think the lad has answered all and every question about his mental and talent fortitude, though the same old questions arise...so when questions that have been more than answers come up, I question the motive. Well maybe you are "really" a concerned person for Casey, but to me it sounded much like the same old stuff.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 3 2008, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> And the best part is that it is true.
I don't deny it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Sep 3 2008, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My money is on the cider drinking Ninja!
I come here not only for the information but for the entertainment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 3 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I come here not only for the information but for the entertainment.

i came here to chew bubble gum and kick .......looks like i'm all out of bubble gum.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 3 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i came here to chew bubble gum and kick .......looks like i'm all out of bubble gum. "Put on these glasses"

Irony.