Found this elsewhere and apologies if a repost but it makes interesting reading
Saturday’s Dutch TT at Assen marked the first time that the prototype MotoGP World Championship has raced on the same track as the production World Superbike Championship in 2010.
Here are the fastest race laps for each manufacturer in each championship at Assen. The Dutch WSBK round took place on April 25.
Yamaha
MotoGP: YZR-M1 1m 34.626s (Lorenzo)
WSBK YZF-R1 1m 36.472s (Toseland)
Difference: 1.846s
Honda
MotoGP: RC212V 1m 34.525s (Pedrosa)
WSBK CBR1000RR 1m 36.312s (Rea)
Difference: 1.787s
Ducati
MotoGP: Desmosedici GP10 1m 34.761s (Stoner)
WSBK 1198R 1m 36.413s (Checa)
Difference: 1.652s
Suzuki
MotoGP: GSV-R 1m 36.219s (Capirossi)
WSBK GSX-R1000 1m 36.452s (Haslam)
Difference: 0.233s
Others:
BMW
WSBK: S1000RR 1m 36.373s (Corser)
Aprilia
WSBK: RSV4 1m 36.450s (Camier)
Kawasaki
WSBK: ZX-10R 1m 37.189s (Sykes)
Suzuki is pretty ordinary by comparison - and note that these are race lap times not qualifying which are shown below
Here’s the MotoGP grid.
1 Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha Yamaha 1:34.515
2 Randy De Puniet LCR Honda Honda 1:34.797
3 Casey Stoner Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:34.803
4 Ben Spies Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:34.926
5 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:34.999
6 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Honda 1:35.015
7 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Honda 1:35.162
8 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1:35.283
9 Colin Edwards II Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:35.393
10 Aleix Espargaro Pramac Racing Ducati 1:35.593
11 Loris Capirossi Rizla Suzuki Suzuki 1:35.664
12 Alvaro Bautista Rizla Suzuki Suzuki 1:36.344
13 Mika Kallio Pramac Racing Ducati 1:36.502
14 Hector Barbera Paginas Amarillas Aspar Ducati 1:36.569
15 Kousuke AKIYOSHI Interwetten Honda MotoGP Honda 1:38.198
16 Marco Melandri San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda DNQ
And here’s the WSBK grid.
1 65 Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1′34.944
2 96 Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 1′35.062
3 11 Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1′35.306
4 91 Haslam L. (GBR) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1′35.330
5 2 Camier L. (GBR) Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1′35.633
6 7 Checa C. (ESP) Ducati 1098R 1′35.892
7 67 Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 1′35.909
8 84 Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1′36.405
9 35 Crutchlow C. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1′36.027
10 52 Toseland J. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1′36.061
11 3 Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1′36.069
12 111 Xaus R. (ESP) BMW S1000 RR 1′36.094
13 50 Guintoli S. (FRA) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1′36.327
14 66 Sykes T. (GBR) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1′36.348
15 41 Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 1′36.574
16 76 Neukirchner M. (GER) Honda CBR1000RR 1′36.581
17 99 Scassa L. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1′36.906
18 57 Lanzi L. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1′36.989
19 77 Vermeulen C. (AUS) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1′38.378
20 23 Parkes B. (AUS) Honda CBR1000RR 1′38.622
21 15 Baiocco M. (ITA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1′38.471
22 95 Hayden R. (USA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1′38.769
Plainly the WSBK bikes are nearly as fast as the MotoGP bikes in flying lap trim.
Now, what is this going to mean when we go to 1000cc bikes (probably) next season? Well, in terms of qualifying, if the new bikes have prototype chassis set-ups and “free” engines, then there shouldn’t really be any difference when it comes to qualifying at least. But, in race trim, if the disparity listed in the first set of figures holds true then what we are fearing about a “two tiered” grid could easily come to pass. Even with lots more sophistication in the chassis and the ability to extract more power, you can’t see them bridging a nearly 2 seconds gap, can you?
Discuss maybe?
Gaz
Saturday’s Dutch TT at Assen marked the first time that the prototype MotoGP World Championship has raced on the same track as the production World Superbike Championship in 2010.
Here are the fastest race laps for each manufacturer in each championship at Assen. The Dutch WSBK round took place on April 25.
Yamaha
MotoGP: YZR-M1 1m 34.626s (Lorenzo)
WSBK YZF-R1 1m 36.472s (Toseland)
Difference: 1.846s
Honda
MotoGP: RC212V 1m 34.525s (Pedrosa)
WSBK CBR1000RR 1m 36.312s (Rea)
Difference: 1.787s
Ducati
MotoGP: Desmosedici GP10 1m 34.761s (Stoner)
WSBK 1198R 1m 36.413s (Checa)
Difference: 1.652s
Suzuki
MotoGP: GSV-R 1m 36.219s (Capirossi)
WSBK GSX-R1000 1m 36.452s (Haslam)
Difference: 0.233s
Others:
BMW
WSBK: S1000RR 1m 36.373s (Corser)
Aprilia
WSBK: RSV4 1m 36.450s (Camier)
Kawasaki
WSBK: ZX-10R 1m 37.189s (Sykes)
Suzuki is pretty ordinary by comparison - and note that these are race lap times not qualifying which are shown below
Here’s the MotoGP grid.
1 Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha Yamaha 1:34.515
2 Randy De Puniet LCR Honda Honda 1:34.797
3 Casey Stoner Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:34.803
4 Ben Spies Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:34.926
5 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:34.999
6 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Honda 1:35.015
7 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Honda 1:35.162
8 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1:35.283
9 Colin Edwards II Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:35.393
10 Aleix Espargaro Pramac Racing Ducati 1:35.593
11 Loris Capirossi Rizla Suzuki Suzuki 1:35.664
12 Alvaro Bautista Rizla Suzuki Suzuki 1:36.344
13 Mika Kallio Pramac Racing Ducati 1:36.502
14 Hector Barbera Paginas Amarillas Aspar Ducati 1:36.569
15 Kousuke AKIYOSHI Interwetten Honda MotoGP Honda 1:38.198
16 Marco Melandri San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda DNQ
And here’s the WSBK grid.
1 65 Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1′34.944
2 96 Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 1′35.062
3 11 Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1′35.306
4 91 Haslam L. (GBR) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1′35.330
5 2 Camier L. (GBR) Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1′35.633
6 7 Checa C. (ESP) Ducati 1098R 1′35.892
7 67 Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 1′35.909
8 84 Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1′36.405
9 35 Crutchlow C. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1′36.027
10 52 Toseland J. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1′36.061
11 3 Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1′36.069
12 111 Xaus R. (ESP) BMW S1000 RR 1′36.094
13 50 Guintoli S. (FRA) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1′36.327
14 66 Sykes T. (GBR) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1′36.348
15 41 Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 1′36.574
16 76 Neukirchner M. (GER) Honda CBR1000RR 1′36.581
17 99 Scassa L. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1′36.906
18 57 Lanzi L. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1′36.989
19 77 Vermeulen C. (AUS) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1′38.378
20 23 Parkes B. (AUS) Honda CBR1000RR 1′38.622
21 15 Baiocco M. (ITA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1′38.471
22 95 Hayden R. (USA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1′38.769
Plainly the WSBK bikes are nearly as fast as the MotoGP bikes in flying lap trim.
Now, what is this going to mean when we go to 1000cc bikes (probably) next season? Well, in terms of qualifying, if the new bikes have prototype chassis set-ups and “free” engines, then there shouldn’t really be any difference when it comes to qualifying at least. But, in race trim, if the disparity listed in the first set of figures holds true then what we are fearing about a “two tiered” grid could easily come to pass. Even with lots more sophistication in the chassis and the ability to extract more power, you can’t see them bridging a nearly 2 seconds gap, can you?
Discuss maybe?
Gaz
