Casey Stoner

Goatboy said:

It does highlight a point though, take the hindsight away & it's very distasteful (for want of a better word) & that is really what has gotten him into trouble. If he didn't say things like that I would bloody love him to death, I'm sure that goes for a few people. Maybe it's a failing of mine, & I can respect his talent, but it just makes the difference to me.



I have no problem with needle at all...hmm I have no way of continuing this without sounding as if I'm insulting him. I'm just gonna cut it dead.



I'm sorry he is retiring so young, I was interested to see how he would go forward post VR. So I guess I'll just enjoy watching his total commitment to cornering until Valencia, & tell the grand kids I saw him win races.

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I would admit that it is not unlikely it was gratuitous, he made a few remarks about jorge in 2008 as well but context is all even if he has been correctly quoted (it seemed interpretive rather than a direct quote), he may have been asked how he was going to beat dani if he kept crashing all the time etc. He was also a teenager at the time, and plenty of teenagers (not valentino that I can recall) have been known to be brash, including jorge himself as I recall.



The main defence that can be made of many remarks for which he is criticised is that they not uncommonly end up being correct as this one did; his remark about the 2012 bridgestone preferred by the majority of the riders being suspect under racing conditions may turn out to be so, for example.

Goatboy said:

Are you 2 foot tall? I only ask because so many things go above your ....... head.

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Probably not, though He might have been hunched over on all fours when he read your post. You may be aiming too high. Try bringing down what you write a bit, at about an average canine level. That is about eye level for BarryMachine.

BarryMachine said:

You are an .....,



got booed by whom? ........ I'd be glad to get booed by pricks

hence why that scored Stoner a big plus.



Doesn't like popularity .......... where do I start there ?

ok .......... popularity with whom? or perhaps the admiration of whom.



In the end, were he not married and with a young on, do you seriously think he would be retiring? Get real ........



The GP stuff is just timely complaints that he can now release as he is in the position to be able to do so. They are nothing new, just things that get quelled if a rider wants to stay in GP. If you remember many put there hands up behind Stoner after he had "aired" some of this stuff.

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So your now saying the reasons he gave for his retirement were false and his true reason is marriage and fatherhood?

Goatboy said:

Barry he's ....... retiring because of politics, I call that trouble. He got booed, I've never seen anyone booed like that, it's disgraceful. He has a popularity problem, I call that trouble in his line of work.



See you ...., you made me sound like I was having a go when I truly wasn't.

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BarryMachine said:

You are an .....,



got booed by whom? ........ I'd be glad to get booed by pricks

hence why that scored Stoner a big plus.



Doesn't like popularity .......... where do I start there ?

ok .......... popularity with whom? or perhaps the admiration of whom.



In the end, were he not married and with a young on, do you seriously think he would be retiring? Get real ........



The GP stuff is just timely complaints that he can now release as he is in the position to be able to do so. They are nothing new, just things that get quelled if a rider wants to stay in GP. If you remember many put there hands up behind Stoner after he had "aired" some of this stuff.

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Barry, FFS start reading and comprehending before you dish it out.



Goatboy was saying that being booed (obviously by pricks - who the fck else would do something so stupid?) was disgraceful. He also mentioned that in Stoner's, soon to be erstwhile, line of work, being unpopular does not bring in the revenue, whether it be for the sniveling pricks that are Dorna or for the controllers of the MSMA, ie Honda. He did not imply that Stoner should have embraced "popularity", what ever that means.



I'm sure that Stoner's decision to retire, whilst it will obviously encompasses the fact that he has a beautiful wife and a very young child, was not taken on this level. Stoner has always spoken from the heart (and often been reviled for it) and he categorically stated that these were not the reasons for retirement, rather the feeling of disillusionment and lack of motivation due in part to the direction (if you can call it that) the the series has and is heading in.



Finally, ad hominem attacks ("you're an ....." type of thing) are becoming too popular on this forum. If you think a fellow poster is an ....., then surely (being more intellectual ) you are capable of constructing a vaguely interesting post that might interest others at the same time as putting down your "adversary" - just a thought.

chopperman said:

So your now saying the reasons he gave for his retirement were false and his true reason is marriage and fatherhood?

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No, you are wrong again Rog., as expected.



Read all of what I said ....... and then think about it.

michaelm said:

I would admit that it is not unlikely it was gratuitous, he made a few remarks about jorge in 2008 as well but context is all even if he has been correctly quoted (it seemed interpretive rather than a direct quote), he may have been asked how he was going to beat dani if he kept crashing all the time etc. He was also a teenager at the time, and plenty of teenagers (not valentino that I can recall) have been known to be brash, including jorge himself as I recall.



The main defence that can be made of many remarks for which he is criticised is that they not uncommonly end up being correct as this one did; his remark about the 2012 bridgestone preferred by the majority of the riders being suspect under racing conditions may turn out to be so, for example.

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Oh I wouldn't qualify remarks about tyres as being in the same category, anything like that is more than fair enough. It's when he tries to be funny or insulting that rubs my rhubarb. It is a very personal thing to me, hard to explain. I guess it has a lot to do with how I judge individuals.

Jumkie said:

Probably not, though He might have been hunched over on all fours when he read your post. You may be aiming too high. Try bringing down what you write a bit, at about an average canine level. That is about eye level for BarryMachine.

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he ..... dogs? It must be .... because dogs are a good judge of character.

Rog, Yamaka, don't waste your time, you guys should know that by now.

yamaka46 said:

Barry, FFS start reading and comprehending before you dish it out.

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I would suggest the same for yourself Yamaka, strongly.



Goatboy may not have been there booing Stoner, however he has a very strong history of posting similar sentiments to the pricks who booed Stoner.



And his post shows that he is still doing it, ie. the latest myth that is being bandied around the bopper circles is that "Stoner is in trouble" ........... that itself is a total misconception, and one of ( bolded for Rog. ) the reasons Stoner has had enough.



Stoner is walking away from GP at the top of the game, not sure if you've ever decided "I think I'll quit" but in my personal case one doesn't feel any "trouble" whatsoever. My beef, especially with Goat, is that they are constantly applying values/ideals/behaviours to Stoner that they see as ideal ( and mostly in the mould of Rossi ). Just look at the reaction of the boppers when Stoner decided to retire! they actually thought it was a bad thing! There were very few Stoner fans who thought it was not a next logical progression and a good thing for him personally, and hence "good on him" ( a good thing ).

Just look at talpa's posts, if Stoner gets a 2nd or 3rd, he's on here believing he has a feather in his cap and ranting about how "bad" the Stoner fans must feel ......... where does such a perception come from? .......... because thats how they feel when Rossi gets a 2nd or third ( well it used to be nowadays I think talpa/rog./etal think God is back when Rossi podiums ). But to think their values fit Stoner is ....... very wrong, and part ( bolded again for Rog. ) of the reason it has got a bit monotonous for Stoner ( in the past I think it drove him, but meh in the end it has to all get a bit droll for Stoner.



For. Rog. ( bolded again for Rog. ) ........... as much as you want it to be 1 simple reason Stoner quit, I think you have to get to grips with it being a massive matrix of partial reasons.



To me I think the pivotal moment that "loaded" the matrix was Sepang 2011. Think about that before you jump to an attempt to simplify it Rog. because that event on ts own would likely have not 'triggered/loaded" the chain of events that has caused Stoner to leave.



Like saying "its all the media's fault", its too simple ....... and I believe incorrect. To really try to resolve why Stoner is quitting you would need a matrix, showing cause and effect of interactions between actions, because independently, each action would very likely not have been why Stoner quit.



Nonetheless ........ "trouble"!!! ........ get real

Goatboy said:

he ..... dogs? It must be .... because dogs are a good judge of character.

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Oh look Goat has posted something that is a total fallacy/incorrect/wrong. I know that, obviously he/she doesn't. Now why is that?



Keep going you childish ......s, its doing you so much good. On of us is learning so much about the other "party" ..... the others may not be

BarryMachine said:

Oh look Goat has posted something that is a total fallacy/incorrect/wrong. I know that, obviously he/she doesn't. Now why is that?



Keep going you childish ......s, its doing you so much good. On of us is learning so much about the other "party" ..... the others may not be

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Are you saying the dogs you bang like you, or that dogs are not a good judge of character?

Goatboy said:

It's when he tries to be funny or insulting that rubs my rhubarb. It is a very personal thing to me, hard to explain. I guess it has a lot to do with how I judge individuals.

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No doubt that valentino is very much better than him at it , even "your ambition outweighs your talent" was reputedly stoner turning back something rossi had said to him, but then he has a sense of humour, which stoner doesn't, at least publically, which is a large reason for his woes as a public speaker. I don't think this thread is a good example though, as the context and what he actually did say rather than someone's interpretation of it are not clear.

Now hold on, I think Casey does have a sense of humour thinking about it. There is a lady reporter for the BBC (the sexiful Azi Farni) & last year he got her name wrong in an interview. After this at each interview he called her by a different name, which was pretty funny. Maybe it's self-expression that is the problem, even Barry Sheene had to have lessons for that! It doesn't really matter though does it, I just want my racing kicks really & truly.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Are you saying the dogs you bang like you, or that dogs are not a good judge of character?

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Every rapist tells themselves their victims enjoy it, it's classic self deception.

Goatboy said:

Now hold on, I think Casey does have a sense of humour thinking about it. There is a lady reporter for the BBC (the sexiful Azi Farni) & last year he got her name wrong in an interview. After this at each interview he called her by a different name, which was pretty funny. Maybe it's self-expression that is the problem, even Barry Sheene had to have lessons for that! It doesn't really matter though does it, I just want my racing kicks really & truly.

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If you follow Stoner's twitter it does show he actually has a dry wit and good humour when one looks at some of the practical jokes that he has pulled on people or is part of pulling on people (Azi Farni being one victim). But I do think it is something he keeps close to his chest and is a personal side that he likes to keep hidden as it would seem that he only really shows it to close friends (Chas Davies, Spies and some of teh Oz Car race guys etc)

Gaz said:

If you follow Stoner's twitter it does show he actually has a dry wit and good humour when one looks at some of the practical jokes that he has pulled on people or is part of pulling on people (Azi Farni being one victim). But I do think it is something he keeps close to his chest and is a personal side that he likes to keep hidden as it would seem that he only really shows it to close friends (Chas Davies, Spies and some of teh Oz Car race guys etc)

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Sure, kropotkin say he has a sense of humour one on one as well. Someone referred to a tweet where he offered to provide cal with a skirt and a chair on which to stand and scream when he was threatened by that rogue mouse in his trailer which I thought was reasonably droll.



In the press conferences etc though stoner is like a rabbit (or perhaps a kangaroo) in a spotlight and can easily be provoked to give quotable quotes.

I get the impression that the intensity that drives him to ride the way he does comes into conflict with that sense of humour. He shouldn't damn retire he should work on balancing it off. If he did I think the sky would be the limit. I definitely think his retirement is a mistake, he obviously has more to give on every level.

Goatboy said:

I get the impression that the intensity that drives him to ride the way he does comes into conflict with that sense of humour. He shouldn't damn retire he should work on balancing it off. If he did I think the sky would be the limit. I definitely think his retirement is a mistake, he obviously has more to give on every level.

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Yes, one piece of psychological speculation on here with which I did agree (hypocritically perhaps because I was in agreement) was by lex concerning stoner years ago; I do suspect lex of taking a sociology or psychology major along with his qualifications in the field of finance, so he may be equipped.



His theory was that stoner had to wind himself up very tight to ride that ducati thing which was basically trying to kill him in most corners, and was prone to releasing his emotions once the danger/fight or flight situation was over. This pretty well accords with his actions, even the unpalatable ones, which are usually after he has acted coolly and appropriately during the situation particularly in races, then reacts afterwards. One thing about those who consider him to be a dangerous and unstable hot head is that valentino has always trusted his riding and emotional stability enough to race at very close quarters with him, something he was not happy to do with tony elias for instance, or possibly even with max towards the end.

Goatboy said:

Now hold on, I think Casey does have a sense of humour thinking about it. There is a lady reporter for the BBC (the sexiful Azi Farni) & last year he got her name wrong in an interview. After this at each interview he called her by a different name, which was pretty funny. Maybe it's self-expression that is the problem, even Barry Sheene had to have lessons for that! It doesn't really matter though does it, I just want my racing kicks really & truly.

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Still watching goat?

Goatboy said:

he ..... dogs? It must be .... because dogs are a good judge of character.

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Dont underestimate those Dingos. I hear they kidnap babies and eat them. BM may have a willing creature comfort.