Casey Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hell yeah.

I think this is the most absurd thread I've ever seen in any forum.
I can hardly believe that we are actually discussing it at all.
What are you guys riding, wheelchairs? I must admit that I get really annoyed as a RR enthusiast and an ex RR-rider.

The Casey/Ducati package blew Rossi/Yamaha away but to even suggest that Casey was out-riding Rossi is nothing but hilarious. Get a grip guys, get some real world experience before you continue talking about something you obviously doesn't have a clue about. Sorry if you take offence but there are no other way to describe it. Wait, there is another possibility: This is not about Rossi fans making up excuses, this is about Rossi haters making up a race that never took place but in their twisted fantasy. Maybe just to wind up someone like me. If so you succeeded
But it is still absurd.

Final notice. I think Casey rode a very brilliant race, no misstakes and took the pressure, he just didn't outride Rossi.

Yes you are correct, rossi always has and always will be the best rider in the world and nobody has ever beateb him at anything. If it wasn't for bad luck and slow motorbikes rossi would have the 28 world titles he deserves by now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 12 2007, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not one of your posts contains a simple word of congratulations to Casey, without throwing in a 'but!'

Oh come on! Doing the math’s (11 overtaken maneuvers, 4 on Pedrosa means 8 on Stoner that he got back)… quote myself: “and to hold down that pressure (we all know what Rossi´s front wheel does in that matter, on all those overtaken maneuvers remember) is amazingly as well… WOW & Congrats!”

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 12 2007, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are you guys riding, wheelchairs? I must admit that I get really annoyed as a RR enthusiast and an ex RR-rider.By that you mean road racing?

grow up Tom

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm saying quite simply that on saturday, Stoner rode better than anyone else in the world.
So power differences doesn't matter?
So, if we put him on and the rest of GP circus on 50cc Aprilias, EU-regulated and me on my Aprilia 250 and we all race, at Losail, I ride better than anyone in the world? I thought not. Stopp behaving silly.

Sounds a bit like how a race in North Korea would be arranged, just to prove that the commity forman is the champion in RR as well as in any other sport he has been engaged in. But I wouldn't bet he would have dispite the advantage


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Mar 12 2007, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By that you mean road racing?

Yes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 12 2007, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Casey/Ducati package blew Rossi/Yamaha away but to even suggest that Casey was out-riding Rossi is nothing but hilarious. Get a grip guys, get some real world experience before you continue talking about something you obviously doesn't have a clue about.I wouldn't say it's hilarious at all.

Would you say as an ex-rider that part of out-riding someone is keeping enough of a gap that the guy chasing you can't get close? Or is outriding someone gapping them sufficiently in the final laps of a race that they'll give up and settle for finishing behind you? Cos that's exactly what I'd call it. I can't call it anything else.

And why is this an absurd thread?

Sorry i was just trying life on the other side of the fence to be sure i am happy with where i stand................. I am

Ok i'm over it, now growing up................................

Rossi may have passed Stoner plenty of times, but thats fine beacause Stoner new he had pace in hand if he needed to push (see last lap) so it wasn't an issue. Casey was taking those corners as fast as rossi at the end of the race, the top speed is great, but if your slow in the bends you will get done (see Barros and Capirossi).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi may have passed Stoner plenty of times, but thats fine beacause Stoner new he had pace in hand if he needed to push (see last lap) so it wasn't an issue. Casey was taking those corners as fast as rossi at the end of the race, the top speed is great, but if your slow in the bends you will get done (see Barros and Capirossi).

that's the Tom I know !

you're quite right. Casey knew he had it in the bag - Rossi knew Casey had it in the bag - it's only the Rossi fans who didn't see it coming.

Regardless - there's many a rider would crack at the sight of Rossi's bike all over them like a cheap suit - i don't need to name them - but Casey did exactly what he needed to do. He won easily and even had the nerve to turn in the fastest lap on the final lap.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes you are correct, rossi always has and always will be the best rider in the world and nobody has ever beateb him at anything. If it wasn't for bad luck and slow motorbikes rossi would have the 28 world titles he deserves by now.

Just as balanced and objective as the previous posts.

When will you get it? This is not about Rossi, it's about giving Stoner sole credit for something he didn't do alone. I didn't say and never will say that Rossi did a better race at Quatar this year. As I started out with in this tread (or wes that in the other?), I think the four first did an equaly brilliant job, with what they had to work with this weekend. Stoner won the race and he did so in style.

When your view are so colored by your Rossi hate that all you can argue with is me being a Rossi fan, this discussion become very very boring.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 12 2007, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you're quite right. Casey knew he had it in the bag - Rossi knew Casey had it in the bag - it's only the Rossi fans who didn't see it coming.
That's a broad stroke of the paint brush!!

Anybody with half a brain could see Stoner had it. There was a particular onboard shot from Casey looking back at Rossi, & Rossi just got smaller & smaller & smaller in the shot down the straight. No chance.

& It wasn't just about the power either, Stoner was flawless, & that probably counts even more.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Mar 12 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's a broad stroke of the paint brush!!

Anybody with half a brain could see Stoner had it. There was a particular onboard shot from Casey looking back at Rossi, & Rossi just got smaller & smaller & smaller in the shot down the straight. No chance.

granted - i did mean before the race - not during.

I like Rossi, and have done for quite a while, so don't go thinking i hate the man. And don't worry, i am not under the impression that Casey won the race on his own, these guys arn't runners, they ride bikes.

But when a thread is started to discuss the first victory of a a hugely talented rider and then a load of people decide that Rossi rode better than he did and only lost because of his bike, its a little unsporting. And its not the first time its happened.

Well just look at Casey on his previous performance & compere it to Qatar, he was inspired!! I guess I'm just happy to have "it" back

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry i was just trying life on the other side of the fence to be sure i am happy with where i stand................. I am

Ok i'm over it, now growing up................................

Rossi may have passed Stoner plenty of times, but thats fine beacause Stoner new he had pace in hand if he needed to push (see last lap) so it wasn't an issue. Casey was taking those corners as fast as rossi at the end of the race, the top speed is great, but if your slow in the bends you will get done (see Barros and Capirossi).

Yeah sure. He had the pace to crack Rossi, but he just love to have him breathing down his neck the whole race. Anyone would do that. Why drive away if your option is to fight out with your hardest competitor. Sure, birilliant analysis.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 12 2007, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah sure. He had the pace to crack Rossi, but he just love to have him breathing down his neck the whole race. Anyone would do that. Why drive away if your option is to fight out with your hardest competitor. Sure, birilliant analysis.

Did you watch the superbikes in OZ, it was rather like that i feel. Stoner could have tried to run away, but if his tires melted he would be powerless to a rossi attack. However if he conserves himslef enough just to stay ahead and out of harms way and prepare to go hell for leather over the last few laps, then maybe he could break the man trying to do the very same to him. It worked.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like Rossi, and have done for quite a while, so don't go thinking i hate the man. And don't worry, i am not under the impression that Casey won the race on his own, these guys arn't runners, they ride bikes.

But when a thread is started to discuss the first victory of a a hugely talented rider and then a load of people decide that Rossi rode better than he did and only lost because of his bike, its a little unsporting. And its not the first time its happened.


YOU stated that Rossi were out ridden be Stoner. I, and many with me say no, he didn't. Casey/Ducati did that with Rossi/Yamaha. That is NOT the same as Rossi rode better. Some here says Rossi would have won with the same power, but to me thats just speculations. I'm just saying they both rode brilliantly and they deserve equal credit for that. The achivement might be bigger on Stoners side as he had to cope with the pressure of having rossi behind him all the way but my guess is that after a while he rather had a laugh when he saw how easily he could pass on the straight.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes you are correct, rossi always has and always will be the best rider in the world and nobody has ever beateb him at anything. If it wasn't for bad luck and slow motorbikes rossi would have the 28 world titles he deserves by now.

Well, considering from 1997 till 2006 makes 10 years with 3 categories… 28? You are conceding 2 Tom!

PD. Sarcasm involved in the statement above…


It's a joke Tom, cool down, flawless race for Stoner!

Just Out of Karma I hope rossi gets the brakes beaten off him by a different rider every other week (because I love reading huge post on how "no one" can out ride Rossi - EVER). He only ends up winning two races and somehow comes off with the championship. Because if he does it would be because he is a pure genius.

We didn't have a chance to see Casey put a pass on Rossi thru the curves cause he was ahead of him all the time. So just because Rossi perfomed so many overtaking maneuvers doesn't actually mean anything except he was behind Stoner for the majority of the race.

If this was a test of pure rider ability it was seem more appropriate to make these pointless arguments about who outrode who. Until the grid lines up full of identical machinery you should save your hands from the carpal tunnel and just remember these are TEAMS with different machinery and different expertise through ought the paddock. The great thing about our beloved sport is that once the team lets go of the bike it is the rider who is in control to do the best he can with his machinery.

Yes Stoner had an advantage in the straight but he also ran a perfect race. Maybe he could have "outrode" Rossi and did X amount of overtaking maneuvers or however you want to classify it. Fact of the matter is he didn't have to. So who knows.

Great 1st Race though!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 12 2007, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you watch the superbikes in OZ, it was rather like that i feel. Stoner could have tried to run away, but if his tires melted he would be powerless to a rossi attack. However if he conserves himslef enough just to stay ahead and out of harms way and prepare to go hell for leather over the last few laps, then maybe he could break the man trying to do the very same to him. It worked.

Youre talking about race 2 at Phillip Island I guess?
It's a nice theory I'll give you that, but there the pace was slow, here it was at lap record time most of the time. There JT talked about his plan after the race, here I havn't seen any quotes from Stoner suggesting the same.
Edit: Superbike use equal ..... Pirellis, these guys don't.

No doubt he pushed hard the two last laps, but that was when Rossi started to slide and setteled for 2nd, something he probably had figured out a long time before, while Stoner had tires left, were inspiered on his way to his first win and with the minimum of weight onboard.


Btw AFAIK he was not faster than Rossi's fastest section times in any section but the usuall last one on his last lap.