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Casey Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 11 2007, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like you said, the new school has landed, and it looks like Casey has got some serious talent to bring into the mix. What does the future hold for him.................we could see him totally rob Pedrosas spotlight this year!!!

Well he did on this first go, he likes Losail track, but as for now Stoner “totally rob Pedrosa’s spotlight” on my view…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 11 2007, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, Vale got out ridden didn't he. And i know its early but i do start to wonder if Rossi's majic advantage where he seemed simply go faster than anyone else may have shrunk a bit...

No so sure Tom, Rossi did overtake (correct me if I am wrong) 11 times in 22 laps (4 applied to Pedrosa I think), all of them by late breaking or rider skills, of course he was overtaken 12 times to end second from pole, but all which were at the main straight (correct me if I am wrong again please). In addition, Rossi was just behind at the last turn for 21 out of 22 laps, meaning that it had to be done by riding not power. In fact, he was very close behind Stoner in most laps at turn one or two after being left behind in the straight. I can not see any other rider (any from the MotoGP grid) to be able to achieve that against Stoner yesterday given that Yamaha. So I am not taking credit off anyone, Stoner had a great race, did not make a single mistake, held the pressure and solved it to his advantage. I think both did a wonderful job!

I think both set fastest laps 2 or 3 times… to do it on the last lap was great too!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 11 2007, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Colin did exactly what colin does, it was standard...

Collin, well, why does he insist on making statements like “I cannot see why I won’t be the world Champion” last year, and “We can be 1 and 2 this year with me being 1 perhaps” (or something like those)… what can I say.
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Colin Edwards
Position: 6th
Time: +18.647
“I spun off the line on the dirty part of the track and so my start wasn’t great, which was annoying. I had a bit of a feeling just before we went out that we would be slower in the first few laps as the tyre was going to take time to heat up and unfortunately that was the case; I just couldn’t push hard enough in those vital first few laps. Anyway after that I was holding pace okay and thought I could stay with the top group but then I had a near crash on lap seven or eight coming into turn seven, to the extent when I was holding the bike up on my knee and elbow! I somehow figured out how to get it back up after 30 metres but we lost quite a bit of time. From then on my rhythm was okay and honestly the race as a whole wasn’t so bad, but the tyre felt a bit greasy and I was lacking some front grip, which was strange after it had been perfect all weekend. We definitely need more power - that was obvious today, so that’s priority number one for Yamaha I guess! Anyway, we’ve learnt a lot this weekend so let’s go forward from here.”

Colin unfortunately gets bad breaks like this quite often. I believe he will get a maiden win this year, the stars are going to have to be perfectly aligned when it happens though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 12 2007, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No he didn't. Despite of being so much faster on the straight that was not enough to call him faster. Their best section times are separated by a few thousands and they swaped fastest section time lap by lap. If you sum up the section times you migt find a difference but not one that make him faster. In fact, as he was so much faster on the straight he was probably slower from the braking point of turn one and out, as he was on section 2 and 3. The only section he was faster was on section 4, by a margine but as we know that was only becasue he had all that power.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 12 2007, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey ran a masterful race but did he out ride Rossi.I personally dont think so.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Radrad @ Mar 12 2007, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea, Casey didn't out ride Vale. His bike simply had more power. If the power of the bikes had been closer, Vale would have walked everyone.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (news1213 @ Mar 12 2007, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I also (of course) disagree that Rossi got 'out ridden' by stoner..
Come on guys!!!!!!!!
Two laps from home, and after setting the pace for the whole race Casey upped the pace and left Valentino to watch from a distance. Casey was the star today, not the Ducati, otherwise Loris would have been up there with him. Of course, Valentino had a superb race, and was the only one to put up a fight, but Casey showed he was pacesetting throughout with a little bit left in the bag.
So please guys, when somebody other than Vale wins, it might just be because they were actually better on the day.
 
Burky's got it! Edwards hit on where Rossi had an advantage over Stoner at the end - tyres.
Stoner putting in that last lap is proof of out riding Rossi. There was simply no reply...i'll say it again: AWESOME!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 11 2007, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, Vale got out ridden didn't he. And i know its early but i do start to wonder if Rossi's majic advantage where he seemed simply go faster than anyone else may have shrunk a bit. Like you said, the new school has landed, and it looks like Casey has got some serious talent to bring into the mix. What does the future hold for him.................we could see him totally rob Pedrosas spotlight this year!!!
I don't think that Rossi was out-ridden at Qatar at all. Even the BBC commentators were saying that Rossi is riding the best just to keep up with the Ducati and hold off Pedrosa who were both on faster bikes down the straights. Stoner didn't have to do much to pull away from Rossi down the straights, but don't get me wrong he did do well!
 
I think its important to remember that after the winter tests, the ducati riders were saying their bike had a n aggressive power delivery and was too physical to ride, and the Yamaha boys were sure they had everything just how they wanted it. Rossi could follow Casey and did ride excellently. But for Casey to do the quickest lap at the end jjust shows that he wasn't pushing too hard throught the race, because he didn't need to. When he was pushing, Stoner was as fast through the twisty bits as rossi. I know i shouldn't be, but i am shocked once again by the way credit cannot go to a rider other than rossi on this forum.

As for Colins excuse printed above, what a pile of rubbish, he just doesn't race like he used to, or like he needs to.
 
We need to stop being armchair critics.

Unless we could go out there ourselves and do better, best we shut up and not put down riders who have more talent in their toe-nail clippings than we would ever hope to have?
 
I think the fact Casey put in his fastest lap at the end shows just how awesome those bridgestones still were after 22 laps. Plus he probably didn't need to worry about fuel consumption anymore at that point. Don't get me wrong, I think Casey did brilliantly. The fact that he kept his ... on the saddle and rode to victory when good old dependable Loris did not is very much to his credit. I think he was absolutely impressive. But on a track with a straight longer than a kilometer, nobody could have kept up with that beast that the Ducati is this year. And well done a million times over to Casey for taming it, but Casey put in one win and suddenly Rossi is crapped all over again. Out-ridden. Out classed. Hello? Where were all the Hondas? I think that before this all turns into another Rossi/Hayden-like debate we really ought to see what's going to happen next. On tracks with shorter straights. This was a track for a galloping horse and the Ducati is the biggest stallion out there. I don't think that's anything anyone can deny. All the riders, including the Ducati riders themselves, were commenting about how incredibly powerful the bike was in the post race comments. Hence Rossi's first comment that he's going to take his M1 down to Misano to hot it up. The machinery was very unequal. Hopefully Yam will solve the problem without compromising the handling. Did Casey ride brilliantly? Yes. Was he impressively good out there? Absolutely. Did he out-ride Rossi? In my opinion no. Vale rode brilliantly. His coming second was not due to any mistakes he made...unless I dozed off during the race and missed something important..but we all know how likely that is!
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Stoner/Ducati royally kicked Yamaha/Rossis' ... at Qatar, lets be honest about it. The Ducatis have been fast everywhere in testing so the boys in blue knew what they were up against in terms of machine performance and just didn't/couldn't do enough about it on Saturday. If the Yamaha really is that slower then they've got a problem.

But yeah Stoner gave without doubt his career best performance. he didn't put a wheel wrong the entire race, which says a lot for his physical and mental preperation over the winter break. Rossi didn't phase him one bit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Mar 12 2007, 05:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>of course he (Rossi) was overtaken 12 times to end second from pole, but all which were at the main straight (correct me if I am wrong again please).Ok I will
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Stoner came back at least twice at turns 5 or 6 after Rossi passed so it wasn't just a case of the kid having more horsepower. He broke Rossi in the last few laps, the guy settled for second, hold on a minute, when has anybody seen Rossi settle for second? Going on past form I'll bet everybody,including vale, was thinking we're gonna see a last three or four banzai laps from Rossi, Stoner will probably fall off in an effort to keep up...er...no. The kid rode his ... off, it was nothing but talent that won that race. Fastest lap on the last lap of the race, with Rossi in close-ish pursuit, amazing.

The only disappointment was Capi falling. The lap before he set a fastest lap, I really believe he was gonna get a podium or better. Watch out for both Ducatis at Jerez.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Mar 12 2007, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Going on past form I'll bet everybody,including vale, was thinking last three or four banzai laps from Rossi, Stoner will probably fall off in an effort to keep up...
Actually what Vale seems to have been thinking was he'd run out of fuel
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Mar 12 2007, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner/Ducati royally kicked Yamaha/Rossis' ... at Qatar, lets be honest about it. The Ducatis have been fast everywhere in testing so the boys in blue knew what they were up against in terms of machine performance and just didn't/couldn't do enough about it on Saturday. If the Yamaha really is that slower then they've got a problem.

But yeah Stoner gave without doubt his career best performance. he didn't put a wheel wrong the entire race, which says a lot for his physical and mental preperation over the winter break. Rossi didn't phase him one bit.
Stoner came back at least twice at turns 5 or 6 after Rossi passed so it wasn't just a case of the kid having more horsepower. He broke Rossi in the last few laps, the guy settled for second, hold on a minute, when has anybody seen Rossi settle for second? Going on past form I'll bet everybody,including vale, was thinking we're gonna see a last three or four banzai laps from Rossi, Stoner will probably fall off in an effort to keep up...er...no. The kid rode his ... off, it was nothing but talent that won that race. Fastest lap on the last lap of the race, with Rossi in close-ish pursuit, amazing.
I'm glad somebody was watching the same race as me!
Remind me, who won?
In fact, whilst all you Rossi fanatics out there were waiting for the last 2 or 3 laps banzai, what actually happened was that Rossi got.......dare I say it,.......'outRossi'd!' Simple, and fantastic to watch.
Now the aftermath causes the Rossi fanatics to put an edge on it, or find an excuse. If tyres or engine are significantly to blame , then that must be down to poor preparation. But throughout testing, Team Yamaha commented on their improvements to the point of saying the bike was eventually superb, and ready for the forthcoming season. If Valentino was the best rider, he would have won. But after both set a remarkable pace, Casey showed,...nay proved,....he had something in reserve.
Please Rossi fans, enough trying to belittle others achievements. Not one of your posts contains a simple word of congratulations to Casey, without throwing in a 'but!'
 
I personally think Casey did a fantastic job!!!
Fact is he won..and I think he was the man of the race. He didn't make any mistakes and he was in charge almost the whole time. Obviously, as a Rosi fan, I was hoping to see Vale win somehow, but to me it was clear it wasn't going to happen, cause Yamaha simply couldn't match the Ducati on the straight. Only way Vale could have won is if Stoner made a mistake, and that didn't happen. So, well done Casey!!

I do hope Yamaha will sort out the speed thing, cause they really need more power if they want to match the Ducati (on the straights).
 
I'm not taking anything away from Casey, he rode a flawless race and was as cool as anything despite Rossi badgering him for a lot of the race......but you can't say he 'out rode Rossi' - on a few laps, Rossi led Stoner onto the start/finish straight - no doubt to see what was gonna happen if it came down to a drag race.

now we all know what the answer was going to be but - taking the Dukes incredible speed I would say Rossi actually out-rode Casey. Granted he didn't win and Casey deserved the victory BUT for Vale to keep up while riding a considerably slower machine implies to me that he was riding better............not worse.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 12 2007, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm glad somebody was watching the same race as me!
Remind me, who won?
In fact, whilst all you Rossi fanatics out there were waiting for the last 2 or 3 laps banzai, what actually happened was that Rossi got.......dare I say it,.......'outRossi'd!' Simple, and fantastic to watch.
Now the aftermath causes the Rossi fanatics to put an edge on it, or find an excuse. If tyres or engine are significantly to blame , then that must be down to poor preparation. But throughout testing, Team Yamaha commented on their improvements to the point of saying the bike was eventually superb, and ready for the forthcoming season. If Valentino was the best rider, he would have won. But after both set a remarkable pace, Casey showed,...nay proved,....he had something in reserve.
Please Rossi fans, enough trying to belittle others achievements. Not one of your posts contains a simple word of congratulations to Casey, without throwing in a 'but!'

Hell yeah.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 12 2007, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In fact, whilst all you Rossi fanatics out there were waiting for the last 2 or 3 laps banzai, what actually happened was that Rossi got.......dare I say it,.......'outRossi'd!' Simple, and fantastic to watch.

that's EXACTLY what I thought would happen. Caseys tyres would start to go off - Rossi would do him with 2 laps to go and then 'pull the pin'...... Adios Casey & 25 points to Vale.

and I agree that it was great to watch

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 12 2007, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Valentino was the best rider, he would have won.

Valentino IS the better rider (go on - say he isn't) - and he didn't win so I'll have to disagree again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 12 2007, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not one of your posts contains a simple word of congratulations to Casey, without throwing in a 'but!'

that's because I disagree with what you're saying...... how would you have me word it without using "BUT" ?
 
Its funny how it has been said many times, on here and elsewhere that motopg is amongst the best motorsport in the world because it is the rider who makes the difference. Rossi himself has said it, and proved it by switching to yamaha. The point being, everybody knows that the rider makes the difference in bike racing.

But it seems that everytime Rossi loses it has to be a question of machinary. But if you really ask who had an advantage i think it was Rossi. The yamaha riders said there bike was perfect and ready for the season, they qualified 1st and 3rd, and came 2nd and 6th in the race. The Ducatis were all lightning on the striaght, but none of the other ducati riders cut cut it with the top boys in qualifying or racing. So from that evidence, Stoners ride is even more impressive.
 
So are you saying Stoner is the best rider in Moto GP this year ?

No - of course you aren't.

The kid rode a blinding race and he deserved his win - but one race isn't going to re-write the history books.
 
I'm saying quite simply that on saturday, Stoner rode better than anyone else in the world.
 
no - he rode flawlesly on clearly the fastest bike in the world - if he'd won on evenly matched bikes (like they will be soon no-doubt), then you could say he out rode the rest of them - i can't say anymore without sounding like i'm pissing on Caseys bonfire.

he won rode a perfect race and won fair and square
 

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