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Carmelo Ezpeleta says MotoGP must change now

Well Ezy is a moron. Now he sees that saying that by going to an 800 series with the control tire, limit how many motors, limit fuel,yadda yadda yadda, was a huge mistake right from the get go. It never cut costs since everyone had to develop towards the new rules. This CRT stuff is lame, ohhhh you are going to make a frame for a sbk motor. DOn't they already have them and have good ones? LOL. The series is dead. The only thing that will save it to be honest is the economy getting better and people buying bikes. It has nothing to do with the rules and such just the friggin economy. In order to bend with the economy, they need to get rid of the control tire, let others come in and share that bit of cost and pair up with teams again. Let these present rules stand for at least 10 years or until there really has to be a change. This way there is a clear goal ahead. The formula so to speak is relevant and sponsors will be more interested in forking over money because the series will foster stability. AND get rid of Dorna as well as the whole lot of people who condured up the last rules change due to trying to make a spaniard win. Pedrosa didn't do a thing so... Time for someone else to come in and show the true meaning of MotoGP a prototype series.



My guess is that WSBK is going to have in the very near future a bumper year! All of the GP riders will want to ride the best of the best and it will soon be a superbike. There is no way these guys and their egos are going to be made fun of on CRT bikes that we all know have zero chance. Who the hell are they foolin'? IF they do go to a total CRT grid, in order to maintain any credibility with the fan they are going to have to make some provision for factories without some huge penalty. Face it folks, crt means also ran regardless. Who cares about a bike that isnt as good as the donor? Not me.
 
"I don't like MotoGP these days. We have a series where the Hondas go very quick, some others a bit less, and others even worse."



Sounds like Carmelo enjoys watching WSBK.



Would he have a problem if Rossi was on a Honda?
 
GeePee said:
"I don't like MotoGP these days. We have a series where the Hondas go very quick, some others a bit less, and others even worse."



Sounds like Carmelo enjoys watching WSBK.



Would he have a problem if Rossi was on a Honda?
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Rossi won't want to run the honda which is a dog anyway. That new 1199 panigale is right up his alley and I am sure he is dying to ride it. And his words regarding the new superbike are, "its a gem!".
 
I agree the current model is financially unsustainable, and that the MSMA are due significant blame .



I wouldn't let dorna off though, their strategy for the sport as mental anarchist has said seems to have been entirely based on the charismatic rossi being both physically immortal and invincible forever. Every "cost saving" rule change they have made for the premier class has actually increased costs; even the control tyre rule while presumably saving money for bridgestone has made development costs, particularly for ducati, higher. As I have said dorna thinking they have re-discovered fire or re-invented the wheel in regard to their vaunted moto 2 class, as he appears to be implying here, worries me as well, and in particular any thought that model can be transferred to the premier class, especially in opposition to wsbk. Does anyone really care who wins moto2, close though the racing may be? The traffic on the various forums would not seem to indicate so. If close racing is the only goal this could probably be achieved by selecting 25 guys at random from the crowd and having them race 250 honda street bikes.



I think bike racing guys, rather than manufacturers or venture capitalists, should run bike racing. I don't approve of all the wsbk rules, but the flamminis do seem to understand bike racing much better. I guess bike racing guys must have sold off the sport for their own profit at some stage though; such things annoy me with sport in general, because the main "property" they are selling in most cases is the fanbase, which it is questionable that they really own.
 
Oh those were tuff times for poor ol KR.

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Yep it was tuff being in the pit at PI in 07 - just watching team KR trying to do anything they could to be more competitive was gut wretching, I felt awkward hanging around the pit for you could see and feel the frustration.....

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Ezpeleta is more the culprit for the current state of motogp not the manufacturers - they should have looked to help the lesser brands Zook/Kawa etc more so the last 10yrs - oh what may have been and whats next as mentioned is the concern.
 
No Ezpeleta is not the culprit.



The manufactures are the ones who make the technical rules the way they are. They are the ones who want traction control, tiny amounts of fuel, 800cc engines. I also don't get why people seem to think that 800cc high reving engines is the only way for engineers to be challenged and to have some kind of ultimate riding machine?



I can't see anything wrong at all with highly strung superbike style engines in custom frames that are super light and able to be varied. With lots of fuel the bikes would still be amazing.



Imagine the amazing improvements/advancements in road bike engines if they are used as the basis for motoGP. Better than having them working on valve systems for high reving bikes that will never see this side of a race track.
 
What would be the minimum weight they could achieve these days without any limits? Could they (CRT) be made lighter easily or does it cost a fortune?
 
ROCKGOD01 said:
AND get rid of Dorna as well as the whole lot of people who condured up the last rules change due to trying to make a spaniard win. Pedrosa didn't do a thing so...
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Lorenzo nabbed a title. Or doesn't Mallorca count?



ROCKGOD01 said:
Rossi won't want to run the honda which is a dog anyway.
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Are you saying Rossi hypothetically wouldn't want to run an RC213V or that he hypothetically wouldn't want to run a Fireblade? If it's the former, what are you smoking and where can I buy some?
 
birdman said:
What would be the minimum weight they could achieve these days without any limits? Could they (CRT) be made lighter easily or does it cost a fortune?
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Ever try to lighten your bike? Carbon fiber bits and all...seems to cost me about $500-$1000 per pound and I'm buying retail trash compared to what's being used in GP. I'd say it can be done but again, you start pushing the cost envelope further and further. There are less expensive ways to make CRT bikes fast. More power and more fuel seem the best options.
 
levigarrett said:
Ever try to lighten your bike? Carbon fiber bits and all...seems to cost me about $500-$1000 per pound and I'm buying retail trash compared to what's being used in GP. I'd say it can be done but again, you start pushing the cost envelope further and further. There are less expensive ways to make CRT bikes fast. More power and more fuel seem the best options.
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I thought the old 500cc was much lighter than present and yet also much cheaper. Is it just because a 500 two stroke engine is that much lighter than a 800 4 stroke?



Honda NSR500 Specifications
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Engine : Liquid-cooled 2-stroke 90° V-4 Case Reed Valve

Displacement: 499.5cm[sup]3[/sup]

Max Power: over 140PS / 11,500rpm

Dry Weight: 119kg

6-Speed Transmission
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600cc moto2 minimum weight listed at 135 kg. 800cc motogp is 150kg. Do moto2 actually run at 135, shouldnt be too expensive if they do?
 
birdman said:
600cc moto2 minimum weight listed at 135 kg. 800cc motogp is 150kg. Do moto2 actually run at 135, shouldnt be too expensive if they do?
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MotoGP

2 cylinders or less motorcycle 135 kg

3 cylinders motorcycle 142,5 kg

4 cylinders motorcycle 150 kg

5 cylinders motorcycle 157,5 kg

6 cylinders or more motorcycle 165 kg



Its one thing making the bike lighter to up the power to weight ratio, its another thing getting said bike to handle.

It always seemed strange to have these weight limits when there is no bike / rider combined weight rule.
 
chopperman said:
Im not so sure about that. Bear in mind these bike are already made of light materials. To further lighten them by 30lbs would cost a fortune.
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Sorry was mostly replying to levi who (I think) was talking about a stock production bike, but yeah, your starting point would dictate a lot in terms of cost.
 
Don think its got heehaw to do with Rossi, he'll only be about for 2 or 3 seasons more at the most-some of you on here are like broken records. The constructors made their bed, now their gonna need to lie in it. They've priced all but themselves out the series, its dying on its arse and changes clearly need to be made. I really hope its not the end of prototype racing though...they should have just stuck with the 800's and added a few litres of fuel. Cost of developing another new bike is astronomical!
 
By prototype racing we are talking about a severely limited formula that happens to just be different to what road bikes are right?



The rules aren't open, no matter what they do.
 
There's an easy fix to this. All the geniuses here at Powerslide have to do is just go out and raise a couple of hundred million in sponsorship, distribute it among the teams and factories, and we can go back to the status quo. Simples!
 

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