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Butler: “Roadracing Is A Contact Sport,”

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MOTOGP: Noyes’ Notebook - Butler: “Roadracing Is A Contact Sport,”



http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-roadracing-is-a-contact-sport-pt-i/

By: Dennis Noyes







There are lots of rules -- a book full of them -- but when it comes to rules concerning rider conduct during races, judgment calls are required. And although Race Direction is composed of four men, the primary responsibility falls to the Permanent Race Director who chairs the meeting and sets the agenda.



And that man is MotoGP Race Director, Paul Butler of Great Britain, who will retire at the end of this season after a run in the tower that began with the final race of the 1999 season.



Paul is quick to point out that the other members of Race Direction, Belgian Claude Danis from the FIM, Italian former 500cc World Champion Franco Uncini, and Spanish Dorna representative Javier Alonso, all take part in every decision, but the leader in the tower is the Race Director.



Butler’s final year before passing the torch to current FIM Technical Director Mike Webb of New Zealand could very well prove his most difficult: Casey Stoner has repeatedly claimed that Valentino Rossi is “a dirty rider.” At the most recent round in Portugal, reigning World Champion Jorge Lorenzo openly criticized the riding of former 250 World Champion Marco Simoncelli. And, just as the teams are rolling into Le Mans for the French GP, Rossi has told Italian journalists that Stoner “waited” on track in Estoril during the post-race tests and “obstructed” him.



Italian TV rights holders Mediaset report that "a little bird" told them that Stoner ran Rossi off the track. But any complaints to Race Direction and the FIM would have to come from someone a bit more concrete that 'the little bird' of Estoril.



These final 15 rounds (or perhaps 14 if Japan is not run) have the potential to bring Butler and Race Direction into the spotlight.



Butler makes his understanding of roadracing very clear with a single statement: “Roadracing is a contact sport.”



That is something all racers know but not all fans understand. Butler spells it out very clearly, explaining, “We can’t go drawing lines on the track and telling riders, like Olympic runners, to stay in their lanes. There will be contact and it is our task in Race Direction to determine whether a rider is simply being competitive, being aggressive, or whether he is riding dangerously and placing other riders in danger.”



During a long and interesting interview with Butler, we went over some of the more controversial overtakings and incidents of his dozen years in the tower and he explained why, for example, very similar incidents were treated in very different ways.



Consider the contrast between the one-race suspension given to American John Hopkins for taking out two riders in Turn 1 at the start of the Japanese Grand Prix of 2003 at Motegi and the lack of any action taken when Loris Capirossi took out five riders (all four Americans and Max Biaggi) at the same corner at the start of the Japanese GP a year later.



Butler said, “It was not difficult to decide that, in 2003, John Hopkins was not going to be able to make the corner. He was going at warp speed. It was shades of Capirossi taking out (Tetsuya) Harada in Argentina. He came in out of control and took out two riders. The one race sanction was in order.



"This was similar to the Randy Krummenacher sanction last year at Aragon when he was on an impossible line, saw he wasn’t going to make the corner and cut the track, taking out (Marc) Márquez at the very start of the 125cc race. We had the advantage in race control of having the helicopter shot they showed it was not a case of simply getting in too hot. He was in a bad spot. He saw he lost three or four places in the shuffle going into Turn 1 and so he just turned left and cut the corner from behind the curve. And that was what caused the crash when he came back on the track. The other guys were on the legitimate line and he took them out.



"It was probably the first time we used a black flag that way, but we were 100% sure of our decision. We took some time over it. I was actually the least convinced; I usually am the most reluctant to apply a penalty -- that’s me. I don’t like to rush to judgment. You have to let the emotion subside and be cold about it. Now there is more pressure on us because we have all the images available to us and the race is still going on. But the judgment was that other people’s races were wrecked by what was an illegal and irrational maneuver so the right call was to take the guy out of the race.



"The call with Hopkins that we started talking about was easier because we made it in calm after the race because John was already out of the race. Now in the Krummenacher incident I’d say that if we had only had the broadcast feed we would not have understood what really happened so having the additional helicopter feed made it possible for us to understand and make the right call.



"A year after the Hopkins incident came the Capirossi incident. Although there were more riders taken down, it was completely different. Loris had gotten into the corner and was accelerating on the racing line when the bike broke away. I mean he got in the corner, was over ambitious, lost the front, and skittled everybody. That was a racing incident and not deserving of a sanction. There was no meeting to discuss it because the four of us saw that it was just racing.”



Perhaps, over the years, concepts of acceptable riding change. And perhaps that is why younger riders have different expectations and why more veteran riders, Rossi as the prime example as he was the last 500cc World Champion, remember the rougher riding of the previous generation.



Butler certainly comes from those times. He started working in the trenches with Dunlop and then moved to a management position with Yamaha’s European-based racing department before getting the call, in 1978, to oversee the Kenny Roberts effort. When Roberts retired and started his own team, Butler became Director of the Lucky Strike Yamaha team and then later the Marlboro Yamaha team. He was directly involved in teams that won six 500cc titles (three with Kenny Roberts and three with Wayne Rainey) and one 250 title (with John Kocinski).



Although almost everything about racing has improved since those days -- especially track safety -- Paul believes that “the rules of the road” as they refer to what is acceptable and what is not have not changed.





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My thoughts; Roadracing Is A Contact Sport. all riders need to put up with racing or shut up.
 
Butler should have tendered his resignation in 2003. He didn't, and once again he found himself defending the undefendable following Misano last year in the face of a similar indictment.



IMO BSB has a very good track record in recent seasons for sensible and timely race direction. Perhaps this owes itself in the large part to the fact that unlike Moto GP it isn't dictated by multiple lucrative live global broadcasting rights and schedules.
 
Butler makes more excuses for Rossi than the fanboys on this site. With all of the muggings he's allowed over the years, he should be charged as an accomplice and incarcerated. I still can't get over Misano either. A slain rider was lying in the middle of the racing surface, and he didn't even throw a flag. Unreal.



What's the point of having a rulebook and racing procedures if the person in charge doesn't posses the mental faculties to correct apply the rules?
 
Lorenzo: "From now on I'm going to throw my weight into the Safety Commission. It's important that Dani, as much as Casey, as well as I go. I'd like to discuss the subject of passing, that passing with touching, not unintentionally, and in a repeated manner, should be sanctioned. It's important having a vote on safety matters. MotoGP is not a contact sport and if it was I'd leave."
 
Lorenzo: "From now on I'm going to throw my weight into the Safety Commission. It's important that Dani, as much as Casey, as well as I go. I'd like to discuss the subject of passing, that passing with touching, not unintentionally, and in a repeated manner, should be sanctioned. It's important having a vote on safety matters. MotoGP is not a contact sport and if it was I'd leave."



I dont remember him to say this when he overtook Pedrosa in last lap of Jerez (i think) last year, and even worse i dont remember any die hard discipline fan here who payed any attention to it ieder. So why now suddenly some care for this.
 
So why now suddenly some care for this.

I think it has as much to do with trying to combat Rossi's influence in MotoGP (now assisted by Simoncelli) than concerns about safety. I agree Lorenzo's case here is muddled; on one hand, he's probably pissed off being called a ..... and is still seething about Motegi; on the other hand, Lorenzo was the guy who touched Simoncelli when he tried to pass #58 at Valencia, so it's unclear to me what Lorenzo's real complaints are. It just seems that vague accusations are being made with the real aim of aligning against the Rossi/Butler faction.
 
I dont remember him to say this when he overtook Pedrosa in last lap of Jerez (i think) last year, and even worse i dont remember any die hard discipline fan here who payed any attention to it ieder. So why now suddenly some care for this.



Lorenzo: "From now on I'm going to throw my weight into the Safety Commission. It's important that Dani, as much as Casey, as well as I go. I'd like to discuss the subject of passing, that passing with touching, not unintentionally, and in a repeated manner, should be sanctioned. It's important having a vote on safety matters. MotoGP is not a contact sport and if it was I'd leave."



What exactly is your problem with Lorenzo's opinion? Are you saying that intentional touching in a repeated manner should not be sanctioned? We can all argue what and when something becomes "intentional" and "repeated" but in principle what he says is correct.
 
I think it has as much to do with trying to combat Rossi's influence in MotoGP (now assisted by Simoncelli) than concerns about safety. I agree Lorenzo's case here is muddled; on one hand, he's probably pissed off being called a ..... and is still seething about Motegi; on the other hand, Lorenzo was the guy who touched Simoncelli when he tried to pass #58 at Valencia, so it's unclear to me what Lorenzo's real complaints are. It just seems that vague accusations are being made with the real aim of aligning against the Rossi/Butler faction.

Bang on. He has a point, but I'd be shocked if him saying this had nothing to do with what he feels is Rossi's leverage. Especially the remark about him, Stoner, and Pedrosa all attending. Sort of like with the Rossi/Simoncelli weight rules. Sure, they might have an argument, but let's be honest with ourselves and acknowledge it's being brought up for self-serving purposes.
 
Bang on. He has a point, but I'd be shocked if him saying this had nothing to do with what he feels is Rossi's leverage. Especially the remark about him, Stoner, and Pedrosa all attending. Sort of like with the Rossi/Simoncelli weight rules. Sure, they might have an argument, but let's be honest with ourselves and acknowledge it's being brought up for self-serving purposes.



I think his point is that as the sport moves into it's future it is the responsibility of the best riders to be figureheads. Rossi obviously has a large influence and like it or not is becoming less relevant as time goes on. Also i don't see how anyone can complain with the principle that riders should not be allowed to intentionally make contact.
 
Also i don't see how anyone can complain with the principle that riders should not be allowed to intentionally make contact.

True. Butler saying it's a contact sport is OK in private conversation, but definitely not something he should say on the record. It's an encouragement to worse behavior.
 
I think his point is that as the sport moves into it's future it is the responsibility of the best riders to be figureheads. Rossi obviously has a large influence and like it or not is becoming less relevant as time goes on. Also i don't see how anyone can complain with the principle that riders should not be allowed to intentionally make contact.

I agree. I'm just saying he has other motives for saying what he's saying.
 
I agree. I'm just saying he has other motives for saying what he's saying.



Agree. With Rossi going out of his way to highlight that he is 'old school' and label his competitors as children, Lorenzo seems to be resonding by trying to show a wise and responsible approach to his role in the greater scheme of the sport.
 
True. Butler saying it's a contact sport is OK in private conversation, but definitely not something he should say on the record. It's an encouragement to worse behavior.



I haven't re-read it but i think what he was getting at was that contact does not necessarily mean unacceptable. I don't believe he was suggesting for a moment that intentional contact should be allowed.
 
Contact is one thing, collision is another. If you get tire marks on your leathers from a pass, thats racing . Standing someone up in a corner is racing. Purposely taking a line that you know will result in a collision is another thing all together.A perfect example of this would be Rossi's move on Gravelplow in 05 at Jerez.It was a ........ desperation bonzai move that did not stand a chance of no contact. Those are the moves that should bring a penalty. The incident this year at Jerez, although ambitious and ill timed, was not a move that had a guaranteed high rate of incident so in my mind was a racing incident. Had Rossi taken out a rider at the first turn in Qatar, that would warrant a penalty. When you .... up in this sport, people can die, its not like car racing where if you .... up, someone gets a dented fender.
 
Bunch of ........ Lorenzo is starting to sound like Barry with his wah wahs. If it's too rough for lolo, quit and give someone else a go.
 
Bunch of ........ Lorenzo is starting to sound like Barry with his wah wahs. If it's too rough for lolo, quit and give someone else a go.



Yes indeed. I'm sure there are many in SBK ranks all over the globe who wouldn't mind the odd touch as they do it ever time they race!
 
Contact is one thing, collision is another. If you get tire marks on your leathers from a pass, thats racing . Standing someone up in a corner is racing. Purposely taking a line that you know will result in a collision is another thing all together.A perfect example of this would be Rossi's move on Gravelplow in 05 at Jerez.It was a ........ desperation bonzai move that did not stand a chance of no contact. Those are the moves that should bring a penalty. The incident this year at Jerez, although ambitious and ill timed, was not a move that had a guaranteed high rate of incident so in my mind was a racing incident. Had Rossi taken out a rider at the first turn in Qatar, that would warrant a penalty. When you .... up in this sport, people can die, its not like car racing where if you .... up, someone gets a dented fender.

This is pretty much my slant on things too. The gibernau move is the one that can't be justified, and watching it live at the time with no particular horse in the race that was my view which hasn't changed. Stoner was entitled to be annoyed about jerez because it was ill advised in the conditions and from how far behind he was, and particularly because it was unnecessary, but in the end rossi just lost control of the bike, obviously not something he would plan to do.
 
Bunch of ........ Lorenzo is starting to sound like Barry with his wah wahs. If it's too rough for lolo, quit and give someone else a go.



Yes indeed. I'm sure there are many in SBK ranks all over the globe who wouldn't mind the odd touch as they do it ever time they race!





Classic Bopper crap.
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All of this whinging and sooking is coming out of the italian press (its like the Rossi/Biaggi catfight starting up again ) ...... why?



Because their riders aren't giving them much of a "feelgood" ATM.



The other riders are merely responding to this crap. It would seem with a mixture of disinterest and humour
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In a way I think it will all play into Stoner's hands as he can stay quite removed from it all, possibly one benefit of being an antipodean in a eurocentric series.



Rossi needs to start concentrating on getting used to the Duc. or he won't be in it at all by mid season. The more he and the italian press come out ith this crap the more they feed the confidence of the other riders ....... thats about all it will do in the end.
 
i love that the new kids on the block (no diss intended) are stepping up. rossi is my fave racer since he won the first race i ever watched (china 08) but competition is always great for the spectators.

i think there's a pretty fine line between intentional/unintentional contact when passing. his pass on pedbot in jerez was pretty harsh as well as his attempt at a pass against furball in valencia.