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The negative backlash is obviously hitting home for them to have a press release on the subject.

Eslick Looks to Continue Winning Streak at Road Atlanta

Knapp Joins Latus Motors Team on Buell 1125R

East Troy, Wis. (April 2, 2009) Bruce Rossmeyer's Daytona Racing/RMR/GEICO rider Danny Eslick shocked the motorcycle racing community with a double-header sweep of the second and third rounds of the AMA Pro Racing Daytona SportBike class at California Speedway March 20-21 to claim the first major wins in AMA Pro Racing against its Japanese and European competition.

Eslick's historic wins were the first for an American manufacturer in a premier AMA road racing class since Cal Rayborn won an AMA Grand National race at Laguna Seca aboard a Harley-Davidson XR750 in 1972.

Controversy erupted after the race, led by Kawasaki factory rider Jamie Hacking who finished second in both races, but Eslick is not letting critics distract him from his bid to continue the winning streak at Road Atlanta this weekend.

"I like Atlanta. My expectation is to keep winning, but the goal is to stay on the podium and be consistent. We definitely want to go for the championship this season," the 22-year-old Broken Arrow, Okla., rider said.

Message boards and enthusiast websites lit up in the weeks following the races. Some critics dismissed the Buell as an overdog with a displacement advantage, but a post-race laptime analysis released by AMA Pro Racing showed that Eslick's times on his 1125R were only the third fastest posted during the weekend, and his performance significantly outpaced that of other riders on similarly prepared Buells.

"The rules allow [the 1125R] in the class, as well as other brands with large displacement, and our bike passed post-race inspection," Eslick said in an interview following a taped appearance for SPEED's AMA Pro Prime Time television show that will air Saturday night at 10pm ET. "It's not like we have any special parts. We've got the same stuff as the others guys [on Buells.] I've heard a lot of whining, but it just goes in one ear and out the other."

Like his GEICO Powersports/RMR teammate Michael Barnes, the Buell 1125R Eslick raced in the Daytona and Fontana rounds was equipped with a stock crate engine, modified only with an aftermarket muffler and a recalibrated engine computer.

"Some people want rules specifically made for motorcycles that are only produced by four import manufacturers. That's not the American way. In America we embrace diversity. AMA Pro Racing has written rules that allow fair competition among many more brands, and we had six brands in the top eight at Fontana. Some people say we have an unfair displacement advantage, but this class allows bikes like the BMW 1200, the Aprilia 1000, and the KTM 990 to also compete," said Erik Buell, Chairman and Chief Technical Officer of Buell Motorcycle Company.
"The fact is that a privateer racer on a street bike beat the Japanese factories' barely disguised race bikes, and I'm proud of that," Buell said. "As an ex-privateer racer, who personally experienced dealing with never having equipment comparable to what the factory guys had, this is a great moment. It also proves that Buell's American innovations like the ZTL front brake, underslung exhaust, and fuel in the frame work as well on the track as they do on the street."

Road Atlanta also marks the debut of privateer racer Taylor Knapp aboard Latus Motors Racing's 1125R in the Daytona SportBike class. Knapp, who finished in the top ten in both American Superbike races at Fontana on a Suzuki GSX-R1000, tested last week with the team at Talladega Grand Prix and replaces Alan Schmidt, who has left the team.

In the Moto-GT series, Old Glory H-D/Buell joins the action in the Moto-GT2 class with riders Jaycent Gebers and Dennie Huff on a Buell XB12R.


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Then you have a poll,and like any poll,the creator will tilt the poll to his way of thinking with the wording and this one is no different. BUT,it speaks volumes of how race fans think when close to 90% thinks DMG has tilted the rules to allow Buell to compete and win.Perception is everything and right now, 90% of the fans percieve this to be a farce

Buell Motor said today via press release that their 1125R is not the beneficiary of biased rules that "message boards and enthusiast websites" have inferred it to be.

What is your opinion of the Buell situation?

Buell is correct. DMG has devised a set of rules which "allow fair competition among many more brands". Press criticism of the rules or inferring that the rules were created so a Buell could win are a travesty. You should resign from the Fourth Estate.

406 votes (11.3%)

DMG devised a set of rules where Buell's twin is allowed in Daytona SportBike but Ducati's similar spec twin is not. With a displacement and horsepower advantage written right into the rules, Buell is now beating the choked-off Japanese 600s, nothing more. Also, Mr. Buell, it might be less hollow for you to spout off about what constitutes the "American way" if the engine in the Buell 1125R wasn't made in Austria.

3197 votes (88.7%)

Vote total: 3603
 
It's only going to get worse the more Eslick wins on that thing. He is going to have to defend himself over and over, thus making himself look bad. Unlike Stoner, he really is on a cheater bike. It's a real shame, I want to see an American motorcycle company (even though the engine is Austrian) do well, but they are being handed too many concessions to do so. I thought this class was going to be horsepower capped and they were going to dyno the bikes at the races? Was this thrown out and they are just cherry picking what they think is fair and balanced?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Apr 3 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's only going to get worse the more Eslick wins on that thing. He is going to have to defend himself over and over, thus making himself look bad. Unlike Stoner, he really is on a cheater bike. It's a real shame, I want to see an American motorcycle company (even though the engine is Austrian) do well, but they are being handed too many concessions to do so. I thought this class was going to be horsepower capped and they were going to dyno the bikes at the races? Was this thrown out and they are just cherry picking what they think is fair and balanced?
That was the original plan but the Japanese wanted no part of it. Of course that was before DMG started allowing Buell to prototype the bike and hand them weight allowances.It was going to be 1 hp to every 3 pounds. Now,depending on who you believe,the Buell is 1 Hp for every 2.4 pounds and the jap bikes are at 1 hp for every 3.
 
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you notice all the new entry of buell teams? soon all the bikes will be buells & it'll be like the old 750superstock class... only buells intead of suzukis. what a ...... joke.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 3 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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you notice all the new entry of buell teams? soon all the bikes will be buells & it'll be like the old 750superstock class... only buells intead of suzukis. what a ...... joke.
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One kid, Brett Hassaman quite his Suzuki ride in WERA yesterday to move to DSB.It hasnt been reported what he will ride but his daddy owns a Harley Buell Store and used to race for Harley. Taylor Knapp will also debut his knew Prototype Buell this weekend at Road Atlanta.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 3 2009, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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you notice all the new entry of buell teams? soon all the bikes will be buells & it'll be like the old 750superstock class... only buells intead of suzukis. what a ...... joke.
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That's exactly what DMG have sworn they won't let happen. I don't like the controversy, it reminds me of F1, but the idea that DMG will allow Buell to win races by 10 seconds is absurd and laughable.

DSB will never have the heat taken off until they write TRANSPARENT rules for the class. That is the legit criticism of Edmonson, he refuses to let people know what the performance rules really are.

BTW, demanding that someone not be allowed to win is the same as demanding that someone be allowed to win. DMG and the fans are equally bent. DMG and the fans both want to affect race results.

90% of AMA fans are as hypocritical as Edmondson. You'd think the guy would be more popular.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 3 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BTW, demanding that someone not be allowed to win is the same as demanding that someone be allowed to win. DMG and the fans are equally bent. DMG and the fans both want to affect race results.

90% of AMA fans are as hypocritical as Edmondson. You'd think the guy would be more popular.
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Are the majority of fans demanding that Buell is not allowed to win? Or do they simply have an issue with how easily the Buell seems to win currently?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Apr 3 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are the majority of fans demanding that Buell is not allowed to win?

So everyone just wants Buell to win every race by less?

I think you'd find that a vast majority of the 90% simply don't want Buell to win b/c of the perceived inequity/iniquity of allowing Buell to run 1125cc. If you read the 90% poll choice it claims that the 600s have been choked off (true if you compare the class to FX) and that Buell are hypocrites for using an Austrian engine manufacturer.

I can't say I fault them, but there desire to control the results with moral justification is certainly no different than Edmondson's.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Apr 3 2009, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are the majority of fans demanding that Buell is not allowed to win? Or do they simply have an issue with how easily the Buell seems to win currently?
If they can win under the same standards that the other big bore Vtwins have to live under,so be it.Getting special treatment is a no-no and the real fans can smell it a mile away. I dont agree with having any of the 1000 + cc twins running against 600's when Ducati is limited to 849 cc. If anything ,this whole farce just shows how great the Japanes bikes really are. Why in the hell would anyone pay 12500 for a bike that they had to drop another 5 grand in,just to get it to perform like a 8500 bike,with way less realiability. If i were Buell,I would be ....... humiliated to admit that the best i could do was to race my superbike with an outsourced motor,against your stock 600's. Somehow that doesnt inspire me to own one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 3 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's exactly what DMG have sworn they won't let happen. I don't like the controversy, it reminds me of F1, but the idea that DMG will allow Buell to win races by 10 seconds is absurd and laughable.
Like I said a few days ago, it would be foolish to continue on with the rules as they are. I guess this will be the first real test to see where RE and the gang really stand in the aptitude department.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 3 2009, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So everyone just wants Buell to win every race by less?
Based on the riders they have, Buell shouldn't win any races. Period. Eslick was supposed to be the next Nicky Hayden, I waited about three seasons for that to happen and it didn't. He rode around on private Suzukis and never did much to deserve a ride. It's unfortunate for him, it really is. But he is not on the same level talent wise as Jamie Hacking, Roger Hayden, Jason Disalvo or Jake Zemke and for him to win races is embarrassing. If names like that were winning by this margin, then I wouldn't have an issue because I know they're talented. But for a guy who hasn't done much other than consistently finish just inside the top ten to suddenly be winning races by a margin, it's down to the bike.

I don't know in what ways to handicap the Buell, that's not my job. I guess slow the thing down until Eslick is finishing about eighth again.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 3 2009, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So everyone just wants Buell to win every race by less?

I want the Buell's wins to be down to the rider and team, not the rulebook. If Buell needs an 1125cc bike to be competitive with jap 600s, that's fine with me, DSB is a different concept. However, I want the bike to be capable of a win, not guaranteed one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 3 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like I said a few days ago, it would be foolish to continue on with the rules as they are. I guess this will be the first real test to see where RE and the gang really stand in the aptitude department.

I don't know in what ways to handicap the Buell, that's not my job. I guess slow the thing down until Eslick is finishing about eighth again.

There are two easy things they can do:

1) make Buell run 385 lbs if they don't already

2) reduced the rev limit (Spencer said it has definitely been raised over last several months)
 
Sorry guys, but have you not been following flat track? Are you seriously thinking that the japs couldnt build a bike to kick the (most beautiful bike ever) XR750's arse?

It coulda been done but the AMA made sure it wasnt.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 3 2009, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If they can win under the same standards that the other big bore Vtwins have to live under,so be it.Getting special treatment is a no-no and the real fans can smell it a mile away. I dont agree with having any of the 1000 + cc twins running against 600's when Ducati is limited to 849 cc. If anything ,this whole farce just shows how great the Japanes bikes really are. Why in the hell would anyone pay 12500 for a bike that they had to drop another 5 grand in,just to get it to perform like a 8500 bike,with way less realiability. If i were Buell,I would be ....... humiliated to admit that the best i could do was to race my superbike with an outsourced motor,against your stock 600's. Somehow that doesnt inspire me to own one.
Clapo clap clap!!! The fact that buell thinks it is the big swingin .... now in the "ooooooooooo 600cc class" with an austrian built 1000+ cc bike is so funny. Man ya hit the nail on the head. Hey Eric Buell pick on someone your own size. No pun intended if you ever have seen the guy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 3 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There are two easy things they can do:

1) make Buell run 385 lbs if they don't already

2) reduced the rev limit (Spencer said it has definitely been raised over last several months)
Yeah, following the rules would be a good start.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 4 2009, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, following the rules would be a good start.
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Where the .... is Lex getting his polling information? Fox News? SpeedTV? Or did you get off you ... and ask fans yourself?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 3 2009, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>90% of AMA fans are as hypocritical as Edmondson. You'd think the guy would be more popular.
Say what?
 

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