Bayliss runs Moto GP pace on the WSB Duke

looks like troy is on fire.....



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Troy Bayliss broke into MotoGP territory at the Phillip Island test today with a lap time that would have seen him running with Rossi and Co. despite being on a sub-200bhp Ducati 999 on controlled Pirelli tyres.
Bayliss’ stunning lap of 1:30.7s was incredibly one tenth faster than his qualifying best last time he rode in a MotoGP race at Phillip Island in 2004, but that time he was on a 250bhp Ducati Desmosedici on factory Michelin tyres.
His lap set on new generation Pirelli race tyres was also less than half a second slower than Marco Melandri’s out right circuit lap record from 2005.
Despite utterly dominating each and every day of the Phillip Island test along with the three day Qatar test in December, Bayliss has promised that there is a lot more to come after exclusively revealing to MCN that he hasn’t even trained for the last month having enjoyed Christmas at home in Australia with his family.
He said: “I’m happy and feeling good especially as I haven’t trained for a month. I’ve done a couple of pissy cycle rides but you wouldn’t believe how much I’ve let my hair down. Now I’m going to head back to Europe and get back into my regime and I’ll come back a lot stronger than I am now ready for the first race.”[

It appears as though everyone else will be racing for second place.

It'll be similar to last year i reckon. I would like to believe that Toesland is gonna win more races or maybe even the championship. But at the moment it looks like Bayliss is just much better than all of them. Maybe edwards needs to come back and give him a race.

Fook me!

It's his home circuit, he's bound to try and embarass everyone there, I bet he'll win there, but not everywhere else.

I fear dominance from the 1098 Ducati.

Q tire.

2004 and 2005 times used.
Do it again this year and GP bikes will kick his ass.

I wonder about the new 1098's. With more weight moving around in that L-twin engine, more muscle is going to be needed to go the race distance. Just a thought...

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From what I've read the bike is lighter in all aspects compared to the 999.

Just because he's set a Moto GP pace lap around a track he's been at many many times in the past, doesn't mean he's going to constantly win every race next season and become world champion. There are a number of things which could of contributed to his quick lap, as have been already mentioned during this thread. These advantages include: a lighter bike, qualifying or race tyres, very light fuel load, a perfect setup and a good lap. If the Moto GP guys did this too then i'm sure they could cut their own times down a little, even if Bayliss is in a gear of his own.

It's a total rip off, when honda was loosing at superbikes they built a winning bike. When ducati is still winning they complain and get the rules changed to make their like easier. It better not go through.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 15 2007, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^

From what I've read the bike is lighter in all aspects compared to the 999.

That BIGGer engine still spins!!!

you guys do realize that ducati is defending the WSBK title in 2007 with the 999.

"Pissy cycle ride"


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Jan 16 2007, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Q tire.

Still an impressive Island time on a SBK

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Jan 16 2007, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2004 and 2005 times used.
Do it again this year and GP bikes will kick his ass.

As in the 800s? I think we need to see more test times to see what they're capapble of. I'm sure Bayliss couldn't run race distance with either type of GP bike, but the piont is for a hot lap that's Damn fast. It might not be compared to motoGP bikes, but what about when you compare it to the rest of the pack that he's actually riding against?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 16 2007, 05:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a total rip off, when honda was loosing at superbikes they built a winning bike. When ducati is still winning they complain and get the rules changed to make their like easier. It better not go through.

I think it will go through, because Ducati run WSBK. Not that I think Bayliss needs it, but they're obviuosly thinking of the post-Bayliss future. As for Honda, well WSBK aint their turf. They gotta behave there. But look at MotoGP. They love to play by (making) the rules.

To what extent do you think Honda made the rules? I mean everybody knows about Mr Hondas hate for 2-strokes, but did they have a significant influence in te new rules, and did other factories rival hondas input (if any). It doe seem convinient that the v4 is just right for the job when we know how much honda love making v4's.

To be honest, i just want another v4 road bike, the v4 superbikes from honda tend to be sweet.

With all that, would u believe DUCATI is bitchn about wanting to increase the V-TWINS to 1200cc.Oh i know its his home track and its only testing and all but it is a quick time.Dont u say?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Jan 15 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just because he's set a Moto GP pace lap around a track he's been at many many times in the past, doesn't mean he's going to constantly win every race next season and become world champion.
UMMMM.Didnt he just do something like that in 06'.

You do know they are switching to 1098 due to servicing costs right?

They'll be restricted to same tuning rules as fours so they SHOULD be the same speed, but cheaper to maintai.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 16 2007, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To what extent do you think Honda made the rules? I mean everybody knows about Mr Hondas hate for 2-strokes, but did they have a significant influence in te new rules, and did other factories rival hondas input (if any). It doe seem convinient that the v4 is just right for the job when we know how much honda love making v4's.

To be honest, i just want another v4 road bike, the v4 superbikes from honda tend to be sweet.

I guess it depends what you want to belive, and I belive the anti-Honda conspiracy theories. I know Ducati pushed for the 1200 rule, but Honda pushed for the 800 rule, and the 990 before it. Which makes me think. They also had a dominant bike. In the ten years precceding the '02 switchover, NSR riders won 7 championships. The NSR was clearly the dominant bike, yet Honda were pushing for the 4 stroke change. Of course there was other reasons involved, but it all sounds a bit familiar to me. Except the 999's not a dominant bike. It's just ridden by a dominant rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 16 2007, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The NSR was clearly the dominant bike, yet Honda were pushing for the 4 stroke change. Of course there was other reasons involved, but it all sounds a bit familiar to me. Except the 999's not a dominant bike. It's just ridden by a dominant rider.

I think thats it right there, i think Honda pushed for 4-stroke rules not to gain an advantage (they already had it), but to allow them to race the engines that they actually like and have a passion for.

As for Ducati, they of course want to be supperior in "their" racing series. As for the money issue being ducatis support of the 1200 idea, i dont really know how its gonna work. But i have heard that Ducati are complaining that servicing, engine tuning and electronics development costs to keep the 999 competative are too big. But if they are allowed 1200's will there be a money regulation, or are ducati gonna keep spendng just for the sake of domination?

are there amendments to the rules i don't know about?

according to the FIM's 2007 wsbk rules 2.4 and 2.4.1, 1L is still the limit:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>2.4 SUPERBIKE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS

Rules intended to give freedom to modify or replace some parts in the interest of safety, research and development.

EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT AUTHORISED AND PRESCRIBED IN THIS RULEIS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN

Superbike motorcycles require an FIM homologation (see Art. 2.9). All motorcycles must comply in every respect with all the requirements for road racing as specified in the Technical Regulations, unless it is equipped as such on the homologated machine.

The appearance from both front, rear and the profile of Superbike motorcycles must (except when otherwise stated) conform in principle to the homologated shape (as originally produced by the manufacturer). The appearance of the exhaust system is excluded from this rule.

2.4.1 Displacement capacities

2 cylinders Over 800 cc up to 1000 cc 4 stroke
3 cylinders Over 750 cc up to 1000 cc 4 stroke
4 cylinders Over 750 cc up to 1000 cc 4 stroke

The displacement capacities must remain at the homologated size. Modifying the bore and stroke to reach class limits is not allowed.

i'm happy to be proven wrong, but everything i've seen or heard is that the 1098 is not homologated.

or am i misunderstanding the posts here and the discussion is just the 1098 generally or the '08 season or something?

"3 cylinders Over 750 cc up to 1000 cc 4 stroke"

Poor Petronas, only if they coughed up enough dosh.