Bautista to Gresini????

Tom said:

As for Bautistas Honda test, he was on Aoyamas bike, not the factory stuff. As far as i know that's the same as what Bradl had.

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Tom said:

For the record Jum, my estimation of Bautista was always that he was good but not excellent in 250. In motogp the jury is still out as far as i'm concerned due to his ride being a relatively unknown quantity. DePuniets test times were no doubt impressive, but it is one day of one test and far from a big picture so i am not prepared to make an assesment based on that. As for Bautistas Honda test, he was on Aoyamas bike, not the factory stuff. As far as i know that's the same as what Bradl had.



I only mentioned you because i am amused how shamelessly you push your agenda sometimes, regardless of topic. I know it's an area we don't see completely eye to eye on, and that we've done to death so now isn't the time or the place for that discussion, but as ever i bow to your commitment.

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Mental Anarchist said:

If I were you I would be analysing why Hayden gets taken out in the first corner more than any other rider in history.

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Pander said:

....... hell, everyones reading into this really deeply aint they? Bautista is a quality rider and has a lot more to show I believe. Just think of this test from his point of view, he's going onto a new bike with nothing to really prove, the deal was probably done before he sat on the thing. Where as RDP has been stuck on that bucking piece of .... all year, gagging to frag .... out of the first prototype that has feel to the front end, AND probably hasn't sealed the deal with Suzuki so has to impress his potential employers. Thats my 2 pence worth anyway.

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Mental Anarchist said:

Jum, you may have stats etc for your argument against Bautista but don't treat everyone as though they are ignorant because they call you on a sudden interest in his failings because he took Hayden down. You did the same thing to Stoner earlier in the year because he had a go at Hayden. Sure you called your outrage for all to see but that doesn't excuse your sudden crusade to paint Bautista poorly and demand for everyone to agree. It disappoints me (not that you should care about that) that you behave in such a blatant manner against anyone that harms Hayden without prior issue because it just devalues your other unrelated arguments that often I agree with. You are no better than Talpa's continued rant at Stoner for his strike at DePuniet. Sure Stoner stuck DePuniet just like Bautista has had DNF's but neither are significant enough to rewrite history over.



If I were you I would be analysing why Hayden gets taken out in the first corner more than any other rider in history. I think it is just like his personality. He is just not aggressive enough and is always happy to go around the outside. He needs to get some agro and fight for a position on the inside like all the top guys do if he wants to stop getting taken down. I like Hayden but it disappoints me that he has so little self worth that he constantly allows him self to get walked over on track and in the box.

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Mental Anarchist said:

You are not at all a mystery Jum. Your motives are like dogs balls and we can all see them.

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Mental Anarchist said:

Jum,

Yes I am saying your SUDDEN crusade against Bautista has an ulterior motive. Never before have I heard you refer to him as a lower than average rider. Then he crashes and takes out 3 riders one of which was Nicky who subsequently can't test. This triggers you to go on a rampage against Bautista.



I am not sure how you can compare this to me. I have not suddenly changed my view on anyone based on a single incident. My views have always been consistent at their core. I have not demanded that anyone should fall into line with my view however I have done the same as you in saying don't tell me I am wrong without giving a reason.



Well in this case I have not entered the debate on whether Bautista is good or not. I stated quite clearly my argument in regards to your sudden crusade against Bautista and how it related to the incident in Valencia. I stated that it did you know justice in my opinion.



Now if you are going to have a rant about me not sticking to the topic then you could at least stick to the topic of the post I made in the process. Out typing me or anyone else does not make you right. I said in my post that my disappointment probably means nothing to you as it shouldn't, this is the internet of course. In fairness please don't expect me to give a .... about your hurt feelings because your boy couldn't test and as a result I am not going to give you props for your obvious rant on Bautista. You are not at all a mystery Jum. Your motives are like dogs balls and we can all see them.

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Mr Squiggle said:

If its any consolation I am laughing at all of you

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Jumkie said:

In order to have a double, you need to have a single first. How the hell are you getting "doubles" in separate threads?....

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Austin said:

Assuming de Puniet and Bradl are equal, which is probably pretty fair considering Bradl is the reigning Moto2 World Champion and de Puniet just stepped off the worst bike on the grid, with a history of utterly destroying a riders' confidence for years to come (although my personal opinion is that de Puniet is the most underrated rider in MotoGP, and this is not the first time I've said this), it then falls to sponsorship. Considering de Puniet was linked to the ride for months, I have to believe that he had the backing for the ride. From what I've read today, it sounds like someone is backing Bradl to the same amount (whether that's personal sponsorship or Dorna, I don't know). I believe that the reason Bradl is looking like LCR's guy is that LCR don't want to work with de Puniet again. When that relationship ended a year ago, it sounded pretty ugly. I believe the only reason LCR were considering de Puniet was as an emergency in case they couldn't secure Dovizioso or Bautista or even Hopkins. I don't think they imagined Bradl would be able to stump up the money to join.



As far as Jum goes, I believe he may be on to something (and this is going to sound pretty familiar to some). The closest things we've had to direct comparisons to Bautista's results on the Suzuki have been Brno before Hopkins smashed his hand and de Puniet's ride on the Suzuki yesterday and today. Hopkins was quicker out of the box and lost out by less than a tenth in the second session, while de Puniet has done just about the same thing. Meanwhile, his first outing on the Honda was just three-tenths quicker than Bradl, who's never used carbon brakes before, nor has he ridden anything like a proper GP bike.



I've always been a big proponent of Bautista's, and he seems to be a pretty good guy, but performance-wise, we've never really seen him go out there and show up someone on the same machinery as him with the exception of Capirossi last season. Some would make the argument that Capirossi had lost all motivation to ride for Suzuki by about the midway point of last season. I don't mean to diminish Bautista's results in the premier class nor Capirossi's career, but is Capirossi really a good barometer of a competitive rider anymore? When was the last time he was?

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Pander said:

....... hell, everyones reading into this really deeply aint they? Bautista is a quality rider and has a lot more to show I believe. Just think of this test from his point of view, he's going onto a new bike with nothing to really prove, the deal was probably done before he sat on the thing. Where as RDP has been stuck on that bucking piece of .... all year, gagging to frag .... out of the first prototype that has feel to the front end, AND probably hasn't sealed the deal with Suzuki so has to impress his potential employers. Thats my 2 pence worth anyway.

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