Barry Machine in doubt for the next three races

BarryMachine said:

FFS Arab .....if you are serious ...... arrange it out here where it cost me bugger all in time and money. Simple.

I have some folk here who want to watch you skid it in

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BarryMachine said:

Well its a good example of stalking if ever there was one.



You say you have relo's out here ....... are you able to say the suburb/locale?

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Arrabbiata1 said:

In your ire Barry you seem to have got confused again. I don't skid in and I don't back in although I have deployed the downshift on the track in conjunction with feeding the clutch to slide the rear. Supermoto aside predominately WSBk riders tend to back in which is as achieved by the downshift and feathering the clutch on the approach to selective turns to step out the rear - increasingly some riders use back brake alongside this with the advent of the slipper clutch and that is what is meant by the terminology 'backing in'. Whether you agree with the validity of it as a technique is entirely another matter but given that it is a method harnessed by many professional racers your opinion is pretty much irrelevant I guess. I generally don't touch the back brake - and I certainly wouldn't use it to lock the rear. I do use it occasionally with a pillion, or to scrub excess speed alongside engine braking on the downshift. I also wouldn't advocate 'shutting the throttle on the approch to corners and attempting to slide the rear on body position alone' unless I had a very comprehensive life insurance policy.



I will make it back to Australia again and I will definitely contact you. I'm sorry that my offer wasn't good enough for you.



One thing does spring to mind - forget me, how are you going to race #22? You have repeatedly boasted that you could 'whoop his ...' - how and why are you so confident of this? You also claim to have supercart experience - could you just remind us what and how extensive this is?

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michaelm said:

At the risk of further opprobrium, I am with birdman, why the hell do you guys, and someone with your obvious intellect, sense of humour and usual sense of proportion in particular, care what barry posts? The focused attacks on him seem far nastier to me than anything he has ever said. The people imo who could most have taken offence at him are yamaka and babelfish as he disparaged their what seemed to me very credible engineering credentials in comparison with his own, but is previously mostly semi-humorous disagreement about backing it in really a matter of such deep import? If he is a man of somewhat mature years ensconced where he is comfortable he may not want to make a lightning trip to the other side of the world to meet people who have been bagging him for years, although I agree he could have been more gracious in refusing a genuine and generous offer. He seems to at least have a deep knowledge of the sport and to have followed it for many years, unlike many on fan forums.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

A man of mediation as ever Michael - which I applaud.



Quite simply because two years ago when I originally queried how it is possible to slide a road bike routinely on the approach to a corner by simply shutting the throttle and by body position alone on a public road I was greeted by a hail of abuse. This tends to have been Barry's approach to other members on the forum in general. The answer to my question is of course that yes it is possible to slide a bike in such a manner - simply by saying so on an internet forum it would seem.



The question of 'backing in' refers to terminology as opposed to the validity of the technique. Barry has his terminology wrong plain and simple. When the footage of Michael Neeves was posted it wasn't about his execution or the worthiness of the method - but simply about the fact that this is what is meant by the term. In support of this have been endless links and articles which Barry ignores or deflects because quite simply - he is incapable of admitting he is wrong. Your recent support of Stoner was just as vehement as my assertion about backing in - which Barry seems to take far more seriously than any of us if his 'favourite riders' field is anything to go by.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

One thing does spring to mind - forget me, how are you going to race #22? You have repeatedly boasted that you could 'whoop his ...' - how and why are you so confident of this? You also claim to have supercart experience - could you just remind us what and how extensive this is?

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Geonerd said:

( Hum, where oh where did I put that 'Chirping Crickets' MP3? )

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michaelm said:

At the risk of further opprobrium, I am with birdman, why the hell do you guys, and someone with your obvious intellect, sense of humour and usual sense of proportion in particular, care what barry posts? The focused attacks on him seem far nastier to me than anything he has ever said. The people imo who could most have taken offence at him are yamaka and babelfish as he disparaged their what seemed to me very credible engineering credentials in comparison with his own, but is previously mostly semi-humorous disagreement about backing it in really a matter of such deep import? If he is a man of somewhat mature years ensconced where he is comfortable he may not want to make a lightning trip to the other side of the world to meet people who have been bagging him for years, although I agree he could have been more gracious in refusing a genuine and generous offer. He seems to at least have a deep knowledge of the sport and to have followed it for many years, unlike many on fan forums.

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michaelm said:

At the risk of further opprobrium, I am with birdman, why the hell do you guys, and someone with your obvious intellect, sense of humour and usual sense of proportion in particular, care what barry posts? The focused attacks on him seem far nastier to me than anything he has ever said. The people imo who could most have taken offence at him are yamaka and babelfish as he disparaged their what seemed to me very credible engineering credentials in comparison with his own, but is previously mostly semi-humorous disagreement about backing it in really a matter of such deep import? If he is a man of somewhat mature years ensconced where he is comfortable he may not want to make a lightning trip to the other side of the world to meet people who have been bagging him for years, although I agree he could have been more gracious in refusing a genuine and generous offer. He seems to at least have a deep knowledge of the sport and to have followed it for many years, unlike many on fan forums.

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Jumkie said:

Mike, you are def a good guy. Its too bad a set of very unlikely events conspired against our meet up, as I would have very much liked to have met you. Eventually we will have an opportunity, of this I have no doubt. You are one of very few who's opinions I read with the highest value and respect. So its with this in mind, that I submit to you, that this Internet forum thread is like many before it, which are more satire than malice. I appreciate you chiming in on the side of forum serious diplomacy. But I don't think this thread warrants much seriousness, in the sense that you are taking it, its mainly about, which to me is simply: a call out coupled with an opportunity for genuine friendship, if nothing else, adventure. Sure there are tangential particulars, but this is what it basically boils down to and the rest is just normal forum repartee. Basically what I'm saying is, you are taking this thread way too seriously.

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Willski said:

But this is a serious thread my brother from SoCal. As a man who has never ridden a motorcycle in his life ( probably just like BM ), imagine the predicament I could be in should, on my first outing on a two wheeled road machine, approach a corner with too much haste and need to scrub off speed.

What is my best option ????? rely on body position, use the rear brake ????



This thread has been an education to the inexperienced rider like myself

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Jumkie said:

Geonerd, I'm going to task you with a mission from God!



I'm sure you can get this weekend's AMA DSB races (you are a member of the "community" right?). In the pre-show of Race 2 (DSB New Jersey), 1993 World Champion Scott Russell gives a play by play explanation, from a slow motion split screen, real race footage, of rider Dane Wesby "backing it in." Please, use your magic for which you posted that clip in the Wsbk Moscow thread recently, to lift this part of the televised event and commentary; and post it here! I think BM and Arrabi would really appreciated it.

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Willski said:

I love this forum. Even after years, the discussion of body positioning alone continues...long may it last

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Jumkie said:

Mike, you are def a good guy. Its too bad a set of very unlikely events conspired against our meet up, as I would have very much liked to have met you. Eventually we will have an opportunity, of this I have no doubt. You are one of very few who's opinions I read with the highest value and respect. So its with this in mind, that I submit to you, that this Internet forum thread is like many before it, which are more satire than malice. I appreciate you chiming in on the side of forum serious diplomacy. But I don't think this thread warrants much seriousness, in the sense that you are taking it, its mainly about, which to me is simply: a call out coupled with an opportunity for genuine friendship, if nothing else, adventure. Sure there are tangential particulars, but this is what it basically boils down to and the rest is just normal forum repartee. Basically what I'm saying is, you are taking this thread way too seriously. But just in case BM is some kid with little coping mechanism, I did already indicate that nothing written on an Internet forum should be taken to heart. Assuming he is a big boy talking with other big boys, then I'll have to assume peeps participating in the exchanges all have good enough coping mechanisms for the verbal jousting that ensues.

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michaelm said:

Whether or not barry has invited his current treatment, I find so many people, some of whom lack both your sense of humour and your absence of malice, beating down on him on his own over the top. Like yamaka, I am also over the zoophilia thing.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

I would venture that every such individual has made the mistake of either disagreeing with Barry's opinion or questioning something he has said. Barry earns every word of dissent on here which he gets back with interest because his attitude is so obnoxious, due to: his relentless self aggrandizing posts, his utter inability to offer any concession to a conflicting viewpoint or apologise or admit when he is wrong, and his incessent lies and unsubstantiated claims projected and protected through his anonymity.



Oh, as an aside, he ..... dogs and apes too.

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