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Go back and watch again, see how Marquez chopped across the front of Valentino twice. If you don't think that is dangerous maybe you need dementia check again. And were you one of the poster who thought conditions were good to continue?

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?



Race direction can respond with just a warning or a fine after the race or not respond at all. Find me rule where rider 'has to be removed from the track'. Is this FIM rule or PS rule?

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?



I would rather see a rider try hard and race for the win and maximum position then ride around marking time like backmarker 6 seconds slower than the weakest team.

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?

Nothing MM did was dangerous, it was clean hard racing. The only dangerous rider was Rossi when he lost his mind as he knew the title was slipping away.

The rule calls for the rider to receive the black and orange flag when an obvious safety violation has occurred. That was an obvious safety violation as they stopped the race because of the amounts of rain. Biblical i believe is the term i think was used in describing the amount of rain and horrendous as the conditions. From Motogp website

Black Flag with Orange Disc
This flag informs the rider that their motorcycle has mechanical problems, which are likely to endanger themselves or others, and they must immediately leave the track.

I loved Jorge's performance as he stretched his lead over Rossi. You think Rossi would like to have those 6 points today, or the fans adoration that he looked good crashing, never mind, he probably would rather have the sheep oohing and ahhing about how fast he was as he tossed it down the road. Hell, any one can go out and ride over their talent level and crash.
 
Nothing MM did was dangerous, it was clean hard racing. The only dangerous rider was Rossi when he lost his mind as he knew the title was slipping away.

The rule calls for the rider to receive the black and orange flag when an obvious safety violation has occurred. That was an obvious safety violation as they stopped the race because of the amounts of rain. Biblical i believe is the term i think was used in describing the amount of rain and horrendous as the conditions. From Motogp website

Black Flag with Orange Disc
This flag informs the rider that their motorcycle has mechanical problems, which are likely to endanger themselves or others, and they must immediately leave the track.

I loved Jorge's performance as he stretched his lead over Rossi. You think Rossi would like to have those 6 points today, or the fans adoration that he looked good crashing, never mind, he probably would rather have the sheep oohing and ahhing about how fast he was as he tossed it down the road. Hell, any one can go out and ride over their talent level and crash.

He has adoration from the fans because in difficult conditions he gave maximum effort. Nobody should ever feel ashamed of giving maximum effort even if it ends in failure. He knows what he did wrong, learned from the mistake, and will not make the same mistake again.

Lorenzo didn't put forth anywhere near the effort. He picked up 6 points because enough riders in front of him crashed out. By riding in last place, he had made a decision to not earn ANY points and was very close to returning to the pits. That's just not something we typically see from a rider of his caliber. Sure, riding carefully to salvage points is common, but top riders on top machinery will at least stay in points earning positions.

Has Lorenzo improved his abilities in the wet in Assen? He didn't push himself so he got nothing in return that will make him a better rider in tricky conditions. His damp/wet riding skill set is at the same level it was when he arrived at the circuit, whereas his rivals (even those that crashed) learned and got even better.
 
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He has adoration from the fans because in difficult conditions he gave maximum effort. Nobody should ever feel ashamed of giving maximum effort even if it ends in failure. He knows what he did wrong, learned from the mistake, and will not make the same mistake again.

So by that argument you give Lorenzo adoration for Misano 2015 right?
 
So by that argument you give Lorenzo adoration for Misano 2015 right?

Why not? Lorenzo gave it everything he had in that race. Similar incident with Lorenzo pushing too hard on cold tires after pitting.

No matter which rider we support, we all have an expectation of that rider putting forth maximum effort at each race. MM, JL, or VR fan... you expect them to try to win or to get as close to winning as possible. We don't expect them to ever accept riding in last place.
 
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He has adoration from the fans because in difficult conditions he gave maximum effort. Nobody should ever feel ashamed of giving maximum effort even if it ends in failure. He knows what he did wrong, learned from the mistake, and will not make the same mistake again.
Lorenzo didn't put forth anywhere near the effort.

No matter which rider we support, we all have an expectation of that rider putting forth maximum effort at each race. MM, JL, or VR fan... you expect them to try to win or to get as close to winning as possible. We don't expect them to ever accept riding in last place.

"Probably we are going worse than last year because we managed to be seventh back then... What can I say? I want to be frank. I can't ride this bike well, even in comparison with my fellow Ducati riders. I tried to be a professional. I don't want to ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison. When Barbera pushed me out I even considered returning to the pits. I only stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."

The 'GOAT' Losail Qatar, 8th April 2012
 
"Probably we are going worse than last year because we managed to be seventh back then... What can I say? I want to be frank. I can't ride this bike well, even in comparison with my fellow Ducati riders. I tried to be a professional. I don't want to ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison. When Barbera pushed me out I even considered returning to the pits. I only stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."

The 'GOAT' Losail Qatar, 8th April 2012
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"Probably we are going worse than last year because we managed to be seventh back then... What can I say? I want to be frank. I can't ride this bike well, even in comparison with my fellow Ducati riders. I tried to be a professional. I don't want to ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison. When Barbera pushed me out I even considered returning to the pits. I only stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."

The 'GOAT' Losail Qatar, 8th April 2012

You really want to go there? You want to compare Rossi struggling on a pos Ducati to Lorenzo giving minimum effort on what would be considered the best bike currently on the grid? You also want to try and pull one part of his quote instead of posting the full quote so there's less context.

Rossi gave max effort at Qatar 2012. He didn't willingly cruise around the track in last place hoping to advance by riders in front crashing.

A downbeat Valentino Rossi conceded that at present he simply cannot get to grips with the 2012 Ducati after struggling to 10th place in the Qatar Grand Prix.

The seven-time MotoGP champion was a long way off the pace throughout the Losail weekend, and could not match team-mate Nicky Hayden's pace.

While Rossi said an earlier clash with Hector Barbera was a factor in his Qatar result, he admitted that the biggest problem was that the bike did not suit him at all.

"I had big problems at the beginning of the race: when we are on new tyres I struggle under braking," he told Italian broadcaster Mediaset. "On top of that, I lost four or five seconds after coming together with Barbera. I then managed to improve a bit and on the last lap I even managed to set my quickest lap on worn tyres. But it's useless, we struggle to be competitive.

"I can't ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison. In theory, with new tyres I should go quicker. Nicky managed to do a good race with the other works Ducati, but he still ended up only sixth."

Rossi fears that 2012 could end up being even harder than last year, when he took just one podium finish.

"In Jerez testing it went better, sixth with the quicker tyres," he said. "But that's our pace, it's not an attractive objective to be fighting for sixth place. We are used to better objectives.

"Probably we are going worse than last year because we managed to be seventh back then... What can I say? I want to be frank. I can't ride this bike well, even in comparison with my fellow Ducati riders.

"This Ducati has problems: I gave indications over where to intervene, but we didn't solve our problems. Unfortunately I'm no engineer and can't do anything about it. At least the positive aspect is that I don't crash with this chassis. That's something at least."

The Italian added that he was finding it hard to be optimistic as Ducati had failed to progress from a disappointing start in 2011.

"We ran out of hope last year. More than hope we need a better bike," Rossi said. "But I wouldn't want to expose myself like I did last year, by thinking and hoping that the second chassis development would be an improvement.

"I tried to be a professional. When Barbera pushed me out I even considered returning to the pits, but then I stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."
 
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You really want to go there? You want to compare Rossi struggling on a pos Ducati to Lorenzo giving minimum effort on what would be considered the best bike currently on the grid? You also want to try and pull one part of his quote instead of posting to full quote so there's less context.

Rossi gave max effort at Qatar 2012. He didn't willingly cruise around the track in last place hoping to advance by riders in front crash.

..No, like Lorenzo and in his own words, he contemplated retiring from the race
:fishing1:- Took mere minutes. Too easy.

I'll quite happily 'go there' as you put it - because quite simply you troll this forum remorselessly, but you always bite when it's directed back. So which aspect of Valentino's egregious, abject Ducati disaster would you like to discuss next?
 
..No, like Lorenzo and in his own words, he contemplated retiring from the race
:fishing1:- Took mere minutes. Too easy.

I'll quite happily 'go there' as you put it - because quite simply you troll this forum remorselessly, but you always bite when it's directed back. So which aspect of Valentino's egregious, abject Ducati disaster would you like to discuss next?

You already know I do not have an issue taking the troll bait. We have 3 weeks to kill before Saschsenring and good debates makes the time pass quicker.

The circumstances involved with contemplating retiring from the race are not the same. Rossi, starting a new season after struggling all of 2011 was trying to be optimistic that the new tires and changes will help him in 2012. He had a disaster weekend, but the key was HE WAS TRYING! As bad as Qatar 2012 was for him, he still gave more effort than Lorenzo did last weekend and we cannot ignore the performance potential of Rossi's Duc compared to Lorenzo's M1.
 
You already know I do not have an issue taking the troll bait. We have 3 weeks to kill before Saschsenring and good debates makes the time pass quicker.

The circumstances involved with contemplating retiring from the race are not the same. Rossi, starting a new season after struggling all of 2011 was trying to be optimistic that the new tires and changes will help him in 2012. He had a disaster weekend, but the key was HE WAS TRYING! As bad as Qatar 2012 was for him, he still gave more effort than Lorenzo did last weekend and we cannot ignore the performance potential of Rossi's Duc compared to Lorenzo's M1.

But would you accept that there were, by his own admission, occasions and races that he was similarly defeatist and simply gave up?
 
But would you accept that there were, by his own admission, occasions and races that he was similarly defeatist and simply gave up?
Arrabi, Vudu just stated he respects Rossi because unlike Lorenzo, he is NOT defeatist, bla bla. You just posted thee perfect quote to rebut Vudu if there ever was one. Seriously, I was busting up reading it. The only reasonable response from Vudu would have been to say, oh wow, you got me. Good one. Touche. And move on. But alas, no. Let me try and weasel out of pie in my face. Maybe nobody saw me fall on my .... Perhaps nobody noticed a bird .... on my shoulder. Etc.
 
But would you accept that there were, by his own admission, occasions and races that he was similarly defeatist and simply gave up?

In his own words he contemplated retiring from the race (after he collided with Barbera), but he stayed out and kept pushing to provide data for the team.

It took an entire season of struggling, and entire off-season of training and preparing to improve his next season, then starting the first round of the season even worse than the previous year to get that doubt to start creeping in Rossi's mind. He still never gave up.


I love that Dorna provides free highlight videos for all the rounds.
 
Arrabi, Vudu just stated he respects Rossi because unlike Lorenzo, he is NOT defeatist, bla bla. You just posted thee perfect quote to rebut Vudu if there ever was one. Seriously, I was busting up reading it. The only reasonable response from Vudu would have been to say, oh wow, you got me. Good one. Touche. And move on. But alas, no. Let me try and weasel out of pie in my face. Maybe nobody saw me fall on my .... Perhaps nobody noticed a bird .... on my shoulder. Etc.

I can take Arrabi's troll bait, but I'm not yet bored enough to take this Jumkie. More effort please.
 
Why has rossi given up on the championship already?

All other front runners in the WC put in the effort to get points, at what turned out to be a very dificult round.

Not rossi ....... he was riding like one off the non-WC contenders and just threw it away.

That straight away shows a distinct lack of talent, but also realistically not much real ambition.

Still rossi went down like a "tryhard" who is pecking for the scraps.

Well fought race by Lorenzo and Marquez. It should also be noted that even taking it easy like that ...... Marc was still showing a better race than rossi. And considering Lorenzo is on a "Spiesified Yamaha" he did amazingly to bring it home for a whole race and get 6 whole points towards thw WC.
 
In his own words he contemplated retiring from the race (after he collided with Barbera), but he stayed out and kept pushing to provide data for the team.

So sorry, couldn't find the bit about 'kept pushing'. What he actually said was this.

"..I even considered returning to the pits, but then I stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."

It took an entire season of struggling, and entire off-season of training and preparing to improve his next season, then starting the first round of the season even worse than the previous year to get that doubt to start creeping in Rossi's mind. He still never gave up.

To return to the original question, are you certain about this? I'll give you some time to lubricate your search engine, although if you wish I can jog your memory if you 'really want to go there'.

You already know I do not have an issue taking the troll bait. We have 3 weeks to kill before Saschsenring and good debates makes the time pass quicker.

No, I already know that you lay the troll bait.

However I do agree, lively debates do may the time pass quicker - particularly constructive discourse. Why not discuss something other than Valentino Rossi? you appear to have a great interest and enthusiasm for the sport, albeit a tad one dimensional. Perhaps contribute to Moto2 or Moto3, WSB or Road Racing threads. Maybe a discussion relating to the history of GP the bikes or the pantheon of greats that have graced the sport?

Incessant lauding of Valentino and comparisons between Stoner and Rossi are about as interesting as discounted fitted kitchens in Swindon - and as much as they may be a cure for Talpa's erectile disfunction, there is even an alternative regularly occurring thread that can sate that too.
 
So sorry, couldn't find the bit about 'kept pushing'. What he actually said was this.

"..I even considered returning to the pits, but then I stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."



To return to the original question, are you certain about this? I'll give you some time to lubricate your search engine, although if you wish I can jog your memory if you 'really want to go there'.



No, I already know that you lay the troll bait.

However I do agree, lively debates do may the time pass quicker - particularly constructive discourse. Why not discuss something other than Valentino Rossi? you appear to have a great interest and enthusiasm for the sport, albeit a tad one dimensional. Perhaps contribute to Moto2 or Moto3, WSB or Road Racing threads. Maybe a discussion relating to the history of GP the bikes or the pantheon of greats that have graced the sport?

Incessant lauding of Valentino and comparisons between Stoner and Rossi are about as interesting as discounted fitted kitchens in Swindon - and as much as they may be a cure for Talpa's erectile disfunction, there is even an alternative regularly occurring thread that can sate that too.

The evidence that he kept pushing didn't come from his quote, but from the results of the race. After colliding with Barbera he went off track, but continued to race maintaining a position in the points.

I was discussing the topic of Stoner currently testing at Misano and possibility of a wildcard at PI. However, there was another ongoing discussion about Rossi & Lorenzo that I gave my opinion on.
 
Actually, Keshav is attempting to dispute that Stoner left the sport early.

I don't believe I said Stoner left in a cowardly manner, but I do feel he's a quitter. I believe he loves racing motorcycles, but he allowed his love for the sport to be overshadowed by a relatively small amount of negativity. If his motivation for excelling in GP racing was that fragile then perhaps he never should have participated in the sport. Plenty of BSB & WSBK riders that would love the opportunities Stoner received and they could handle all the adversity.

Caseys drive revolved around one thing. Winning the WC on a HRC honda.... because Mick was his hero.
Thats why he signed with Honda when his last year with Ducati had barely started.

Casey didn't quit. He left after he achieved what he set out to do, the only reason he hung around for his final season is because he was pressured by honda.

Spend some time with him, and you might understand.

As for opportunities, pull your head out of your .... Casey and his family sacrificed everything they had and gambled on a kid who could ride dirt track.

Want to talk about privilege lets look at rossis half brothers ride, marc's little brothers. and every other person who has gotten a ride because their passport is from the correct country
 
You really want to go there? You want to compare Rossi struggling on a pos Ducati to Lorenzo giving minimum effort on what would be considered the best bike currently on the grid? You also want to try and pull one part of his quote instead of posting the full quote so there's less context.

Rossi gave max effort at Qatar 2012. He didn't willingly cruise around the track in last place hoping to advance by riders in front crashing.

Dude, he might have got a bad result, but how many times does he have to say, i couldnt go any faster as the front felt like it was going to let loose if a pushed any harder. Mental or mechanical, he was going as fast as he could. Assen is his bogey track, everybody has one. If it was dry at the next race and he was running 19th, that might be something to discuss, but until he shows a pattern of running outside the top 3-4, im going give him a pass.
 
Why has rossi given up on the championship already?

All other front runners in the WC put in the effort to get points, at what turned out to be a very dificult round.

Not rossi ....... he was riding like one off the non-WC contenders and just threw it away.

That straight away shows a distinct lack of talent, but also realistically not much real ambition.

Still rossi went down like a "tryhard" who is pecking for the scraps.

Well fought race by Lorenzo and Marquez. It should also be noted that even taking it easy like that ...... Marc was still showing a better race than rossi. And considering Lorenzo is on a "Spiesified Yamaha" he did amazingly to bring it home for a whole race and get 6 whole points towards thw WC.



Lorenzo specifically and honestly stated that whilst his performance was terrible, he was pushing as hard as he dared and his bike was giving him warning signals that it was about to crash all the time. He did consider pulling in but decided to continue to try and improve his wet weather riding skills or lack of.
He didn't mention the crash he had, but it's possible he was hurting more than he let on and genuinely didn't want to crash again and worsen any condition he already had.
Rossi has huge experience on Michelins and made a rookie mistake by pushing so hard on tyres he knows give little or no warning at all when they're on the limits, it's a feature of Michelins since the '80s. Many riders then preferred the Dunlops because they gave slightly less outright grip but much more feeling and warning than the Michelins.
Marquez showed a mature side, letting Rossi go because he knew he'd crash following at that pace. He must've been chuckling in his helmet at the sight of Rossi in the kitty litter as he extended his lead in the title race.
 

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