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BarryMachine · Jun 29, 2016

paparazzo said:
Did you see Jorge being 5-7 seconds a lap slower than satellite bike? Anything to say about that beside how it was brilliant performance because he scored a few points? What if that was Vale 7 seconds a lap slower than satellite bike in any conditions? What would you say?

Ah thats how they work out the point 5-7 seconds average 6 ...... so thats 6 points for Lorenzo.

No talent rossi dnf ....... 0

povol · Jun 29, 2016

paparazzo said:
Just because a rule is breach does not mean race direction have to issue penalty. My point was that far worse safety issue happen like dangerous riding by MM at Sepang, and nothing is done. Show me where in the rule book it says a penalty will be given and what will that penalty be, race ban, season ban, fine or warning?

And for the 11th time, I am not Talps.

Yes, I did see it and I am not worry. I saw a rider who this forum has as finish with no talent, pushing his machine to the limit blitzing opposition making the rest look like Moto3 riders. Even Marc Marquez was impressed by the pace.

Did you see Jorge being 5-7 seconds a lap slower than satellite bike? Anything to say about that beside how it was brilliant performance because he scored a few points? What if that was Vale 7 seconds a lap slower than satellite bike in any conditions? What would you say?

I need to go back and watch, but i could have sworn that it was Rossi who was found guilty of dangerous riding at Sepang. Maybe im wrong. No, i just went back and watched and it WAS Rossi who got penalized. Whew, there for a minute i was scared dementia had me.

yamfan · Jun 29, 2016

paparazzo said:
Just because a rule is breach does not mean race direction have to issue penalty. My point was that far worse safety issue happen like dangerous riding by MM at Sepang, and nothing is done. Show me where in the rule book it says a penalty will be given and what will that penalty be, race ban, season ban, fine or warning?

And for the 11th time, I am not Talps.

Yes, I did see it and I am not worry. I saw a rider who this forum has as finish with no talent, pushing his machine to the limit blitzing opposition making the rest look like Moto3 riders. Even Marc Marquez was impressed by the pace.

Did you see Jorge being 5-7 seconds a lap slower than satellite bike? Anything to say about that beside how it was brilliant performance because he scored a few points? What if that was Vale 7 seconds a lap slower than satellite bike in any conditions? What would you say?

Regardless of anyone's performance on Sunday, Rossi's rear light was not illuminated. By the rule book it is a safety issue that requires immediate rectification. He should have been flagged and returned to the pits to either get it fixed, or change bikes.
It wasn't Rossi at fault but his team, much like Marquez in Australia with the tyre issue. Given that race direction are on such a high alert after the LS tragedy, how could they overlook such a safety issue, regardless of the rider involved?
We've all heard riders declaring that vision was really bad, imagine the clamour if another rider had inadvertently slammed into the rear of Rossi and it caused a serious accident!

BarryMachine · Jun 29, 2016

The light left off thing was pretty dangerous ..... especially when you consider that Marc was behind him .... and in the past he has had dificulty seeing things in front of him on the track.

Perhaps this is what that bopper thread about old rossi having folk worried is about ???

Who knows how bad he will get ...... maybe like those old folk who go up the off/on ramp on freeways. What will it take for rd to react? rossi going round the track the wrong way?.

povol · Jun 29, 2016

paparazzo said:
Just because a rule is breach does not mean race direction have to issue penalty.

When a bike is operating without required safety gear, they are supposed to be given the mechanical black flag, {black flag with orange circle} which unlike the black flag, allows you to return to the track once the safety issue is resolved.

JohnnyKnockdown · Jun 29, 2016

michaelm said:
My view as well. The first episode with the White Walkers last year which covered events which had not been in the books was promising, but it has been somewhat incoherent this season. JRRM should stop writing his science fiction novels which are not nearly as good anyway and get on with writing GOT.

Latterly I begin to wonder whether he needs only one book to conclude things but the producers of the TV series are drawing things out to fill the scheduled 2 further seasons.

Finish the Book, George

michaelm · Jun 29, 2016

paparazzo said:
Just because a rule is breach does not mean race direction have to issue penalty. My point was that far worse safety issue happen like dangerous riding by MM at Sepang, and nothing is done. Show me where in the rule book it says a penalty will be given and what will that penalty be, race ban, season ban, fine or warning?

And for the 11th time, I am not Talps.

Yes, I did see it and I am not worry. I saw a rider who this forum has as finish with no talent, pushing his machine to the limit blitzing opposition making the rest look like Moto3 riders. Even Marc Marquez was impressed by the pace.

Did you see Jorge being 5-7 seconds a lap slower than satellite bike? Anything to say about that beside how it was brilliant performance because he scored a few points? What if that was Vale 7 seconds a lap slower than satellite bike in any conditions? What would you say?

i would say that while Rossi's ambition as in a previous wet race at Jerez 2011 once again outweighed his talent Jorge's did not, but substantially because he set his ambitions at a low level, perhaps not unwisely so in retrospect.

moto vudu · Jun 29, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
They have no idea about time in the show. GRRM was very good at keeping things tied together on a timeline. But the show jumps throught time as needed. LittleFinger can teleport across westeros at will, while people like Sam are stuck on a boat with a non-aging baby for over a season. That baby hasn't aged since birth! Varys must have a even better teleport devices. I'd get into show holes but I don't want to spoil it for anyone, err I mean the only one, who hasn't seen it.

I'm honestly happy they are ....... it up. It doesn't feel like I'm being spoiled at all. Its actually made me more anxious for the next book. So I can see what really happens and why. I was hoping that without GRRM they would be lost, and they are.

One of the show's producers said they are aware of timeline inconsistencies, but it's a necessary evil to avoid things such as "4 episodes with Arya sitting on a boat".

" The timelines between the various storylines don't necessarily line up within a given episode," Cogman told EW.

Every character's story unfolds over a different place in time.

"We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the 'story days' line up between all the characters the momentum would suffer," Cogman concluded.

JPSLotus · Jun 29, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Finish the Book, George

I've had the theory that George RR Martin has turned into a giant troll at this point. There's literally no upside any longer for him to finish the book or series for that matter since the TV show has already gone past. He'd be under a ton of pressure to match or exceed what the show has already shown at this point, and I have trouble seeing him subject himself to whatever ........ would happen if the subsequent books were deemed a let down. He'd probably be better off dying never having finished the series, and then some other enterprising writer can finish it off. If the books sucked at that point, people would just blame that writer as opposed to Martin himself. Either way he goes to his grave having succeeded beyond his wildest dreams with Game of Thrones.

JPSLotus · Jun 29, 2016

Stoner heading out onto the track at Misano.

Bike has the winglets on...could be a GP17 underneath, but I am doubting it since there winglets would affect the feedback on the bike. I'm sort of intrigued as to why he is doing this test then, unless they are still trying to address some things with the GP16, and the GP17 may not be that radical of a departure from this year's challenger.

paparazzo · Jun 29, 2016

povol said:
I need to go back and watch, but i could have sworn that it was Rossi who was found guilty of dangerous riding at Sepang. Maybe im wrong. No, i just went back and watched and it WAS Rossi who got penalized. Whew, there for a minute i was scared dementia had me.

Go back and watch again, see how Marquez chopped across the front of Valentino twice. If you don't think that is dangerous maybe you need dementia check again. And were you one of the poster who thought conditions were good to continue?

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?

BarryMachine said:
The light left off thing was pretty dangerous ..... especially when you consider that Marc was behind him .... and in the past he has had dificulty seeing things in front of him on the track.

Perhaps this is what that bopper thread about old rossi having folk worried is about ???

Who knows how bad he will get ...... maybe like those old folk who go up the off/on ramp on freeways. What will it take for rd to react? rossi going round the track the wrong way?.

Race direction can respond with just a warning or a fine after the race or not respond at all. Find me rule where rider 'has to be removed from the track'. Is this FIM rule or PS rule?

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?

michaelm said:
i would say that while Rossi's ambition as in a previous wet race at Jerez 2011 once again outweighed his talent Jorge's did not, but substantially because he set his ambitions at a low level, perhaps not unwisely so in retrospect.

I would rather see a rider try hard and race for the win and maximum position then ride around marking time like backmarker 6 seconds slower than the weakest team.

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?

michaelm · Jun 29, 2016

paparazzo said:
Go back and watch again, see how Marquez chopped across the front of Valentino twice. If you don't think that is dangerous maybe you need dementia check again. And were you one of the poster who thought conditions were good to continue?

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?

Race direction can respond with just a warning or a fine after the race or not respond at all. Find me rule where rider 'has to be removed from the track'. Is this FIM rule or PS rule?

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?

I would rather see a rider try hard and race for the win and maximum position then ride around marking time like backmarker 6 seconds slower than the weakest team.

What do you think of Jorge performance, being 6 seconds slower than satellite bikes, and 2-3 second slower than Tito Rabat?

Jorge isn't riding according to your preferences, he is riding to win a championship, and to beat your boy in particular quite possibly. I think he had no confidence in his set up in the conditions on that particular track, and rode so he wouldn't crash out and injure himself and destroy his title chances as he did 3 years ago at this very track. In the end he took some points when they became available.

MM rode fairly and legally at Sepang in my view watching live, and RD found that he rode legally as well. Rossi gave as good as he got, in fact passed MM one more time than MM passed him, and had ridden just as vigorously as MM did in a number of previous races. I believe the saying goes "that's racing".

moto vudu · Jun 29, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Stoner heading out onto the track at Misano.

Bike has the winglets on...could be a GP17 underneath, but I am doubting it since there winglets would affect the feedback on the bike. I'm sort of intrigued as to why he is doing this test then, unless they are still trying to address some things with the GP16, and the GP17 may not be that radical of a departure from this year's challenger.

Maybe Casey is getting some time on the GP16 to prep for a PI wildcard ride.

michaelm · Jun 29, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I've had the theory that George RR Martin has turned into a giant troll at this point. There's literally no upside any longer for him to finish the book or series for that matter since the TV show has already gone past. He'd be under a ton of pressure to match or exceed what the show has already shown at this point, and I have trouble seeing him subject himself to whatever ........ would happen if the subsequent books were deemed a let down. He'd probably be better off dying never having finished the series, and then some other enterprising writer can finish it off. If the books sucked at that point, people would just blame that writer as opposed to Martin himself. Either way he goes to his grave having succeeded beyond his wildest dreams with Game of Thrones.

There is talk he has writer's block for reasons such as you mention, ie that the process of writing the further books has become impossible with the storyline already out there with partial input from him. I have certainly seen direct quotes from him before the most recent season of the series that the massive focus on GOT with all the myriad speculations/attempts to second guess him on fan forums since the TV show became successful was interfering with his creative process. My brother who is an avid fan tells me that GRRM is reputed to have had more involvement with the scripts for the last 2 episodes.

JPSLotus · Jun 29, 2016

moto vudu said:
Maybe Casey is getting some time on the GP16 to prep for a PI wildcard ride.

That's what I've been wondering. If he was going to wild card at all, I think Phillip Island is the only place he would want to do it. I still think it is unlikely, but perhaps the more he has watched how the Ducati season has unfolded, he wants to help out Gigi more than anything. He'd still need to test at least once more maybe in September and I don't know if they have any tests planned for then.

michaelm · Jun 29, 2016

JPSLotus said:
That's what I've been wondering. If he was going to wild card at all, I think Phillip Island is the only place he would want to do it. I still think it is unlikely, but perhaps the more he has watched how the Ducati season has unfolded, he wants to help out Gigi more than anything. He'd still need to test at least once more maybe in September and I don't know if they have any tests planned for then.

I think a wildcard ride at PI is even less likely now Ducati have signed JL. If they don't have a win by then they perhaps wouldn't mind if he showed up their current riders, but should he happen to win it would put extra pressure on Jorge from the get go before he has even ridden the bike.

MdubSTYLIE · Jun 29, 2016

michaelm said:
There is talk he has writer's block for reasons such as you mention, ie that the process of writing the further books has brcome impossible with the storyline already out there with partial input from him. I have certainly seen direct quotes from him before the most recent season of the series that the massive focus on GOT with all the myriad speculations/attempts to second guess him on fan forums since the TV show became successful was interfering with his creative process. My brother who is an avid fan tells me that GRRM is reputed to have had more involvement with the scripts for the last 2 episodes.

He gave up any involvement in the show a few seasons ago. He had a falling out with the show runners and since has stopped being part of the show what so ever. He stated that he thought they were moving to fast and leaving out many details that were important. He wanted 7 seasons ending where the books did followed by 3 movies to finish the whole thing giving him time to finish the books and honestly is a master plan. The dude is bitter as .... now and I do think because of this he is having a hard time finishing the books. But this story has drifted so far off that I doubt they will have the same ending. Anyone who doubt that the next two books will be brilliant hasn't read Georges writing.

About the show ending first
"There was a period where I was worried about that. Then I said, to hell with that. Worrying about it isn’t going to change it one way or another. I still sit down at the typewriter, and I have to write the next scene and the next sentence … I’m just going to tell my story, and they’re telling their story and adapting my books, and we shall see." GRRM

JPSLotus · Jun 29, 2016

michaelm said:
There is talk he has writer's block for reasons such as you mention, ie that the process of writing the further books has brcome impossible with the storyline already out there with partial input from him. I have certainly seen direct quotes from him before the most recent season of the series that the massive focus on GOT with all the myriad speculations/attempts to second guess him on fan forums since the TV show became successful was interfering with his creative process. My brother who is an avid fan tells me that GRRM is reputed to have had more involvement with the scripts for the last 2 episodes.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he never finishes up the book series. He may have gotten what he wanted out of helping out on the scripts since at the end of the day, the show's producers are the ones who have to deliver the final product, not him. It's a safer way of doing it. I do think the series finale is probably going to piss a lot of people off. I don't see the show getting closed out neatly since nothing in that world has ever met that definition.

Or he is just going to wait for the TV series to finish before finishing the books, and then releasing several years later once the world has moved on to whatever the next hot HBO TV series is.

JPSLotus · Jun 29, 2016

michaelm said:
I think a wildcard ride at PI is even less likely now Ducati have signed JL. If they don't have a win by then they perhaps wouldn't mind if he showed up their current riders, but should he happen to win it would put extra pressure on Jorge from the get go before he has even ridden the bike.

Either way Jorge is going to have a ton of extra pressure since there's a vocal segment who thinks he can't achieve anything without the ideal setup bike and ideal weather. Given that there's no certainty of Lorenzo winning a race on the Ducati, if there is a chance for Stoner to wild card, it should be done because a Ducati victory would at least vindicate what Gigi has done to date. If I'm Gigi, knowing your bike can win isn't the same as actually seeing it win. I said in another topic that if JL never won a race for Ducati in 2 years, I wouldn't be shocked.

MdubSTYLIE · Jun 29, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he never finishes up the book series. He may have gotten what he wanted out of helping out on the scripts since at the end of the day, the show's producers are the ones who have to deliver the final product, not him. It's a safer way of doing it. I do think the series finale is probably going to piss a lot of people off. I don't see the show getting closed out neatly since nothing in that world has ever met that definition.

Or he is just going to wait for the TV series to finish before finishing the books, and then releasing several years later once the world has moved on to whatever the next hot HBO TV series is.

The gap from a feast for crows and a dance with dragons was six years. 2005-2011. This year is the six year so it hasn't actually taken any longer than the last. And he is obviously a lot busier now. So if it take him an extra year or to whatever, that how he writes.

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