Aragon MotoMarquez.2 probably some sort of information concerning the rider who arrive first
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Well this was a great exciting race. Moto2 is just awesome. Love it. Baturo, u def got ur moneys worth. But, dont get mad at what follows, please. Perhaps the only thing i dont like about Moto2 is the same peeps perceive at face value as they do for MotoGP....
Marquez put on a clinic highlighting his acceleration advantage, but no doubt the same peeps will continue to put head in sand. Now its not all about acceleration, as his bike has the handling to boot. I've been saying it since day one. This race was a highlight reel for Marc's superior package. Everybody ESPECIAL Crazy Joe have to massively override their bikes. Marc may be a nice kid with exceptional talent, and a shark on the track, which I admire, but he is NOT the "alien" for which peeps regularly build up rider's who have massive advantages. Again, peeps continue to ignore the lessons of 2011-12. And the sequel lesson of 2013 will confirm, keep ur eye on Factory Yamaha for a clue! Trade Crz Joe's bike for Marc's (i know, most of u cant imagine, just like the idiots who said VR would wipe up CS on SucGP). How many times does Marc have to sit up not to pass, only to pass at will later on and still peeps claim its corner drive, or the lames of all explanations, its that he only weighs 3 pounds, or its that his gears, its that...bla bla bla (I told you Baturro you wouldn't like my take, hahaha, take solace in that you had a great weekend (except Nicky's crash, that was just awful). But I think its like MotoGP, where its ALL about the competitive bikes, where then peeps make conclusions and count wins like they are something extraordinary. Marc would have easily won this race had it not been for rivals putting all at risk on brakes to make up for their disadvantages. Redding and Crz Joe are probably fairly frustrated getting passed like Marcs got some kinda turbo boost, so they said .... it, im gonna brake as late as is physically possible. That i submit, takes as much balls as these so called "experts" describing Marc as the next baby Jesus. Its a ....... mismatch of machines, similar to MotoGP. Who hear thinks that Crz Joes bike is on equal footing to Marc? Oh wait, Andrea is 7 feet tall and weighs 300 pounds. I guess thats why Marco Sic never won anything in the lower classes...
Oh, and Redding, great result. Move was obviously due to Crz Joe's moment while he was risking life limb putting on moves to Marc. Nonetheless, having to contend with that injury was gutsy. Reddings battle with Marc was equally thrilling. All these kids have balls of steel, but there is no doubt, some have to risk way more to pull off these battles. Finally, Pol should send his 'teammates', Redding & Crz Joe flowers.
Marquez put on a clinic highlighting his acceleration advantage, but no doubt the same peeps will continue to put head in sand. Now its not all about acceleration, as his bike has the handling to boot. I've been saying it since day one. This race was a highlight reel for Marc's superior package. Everybody ESPECIAL Crazy Joe have to massively override their bikes. Marc may be a nice kid with exceptional talent, and a shark on the track, which I admire, but he is NOT the "alien" for which peeps regularly build up rider's who have massive advantages. Again, peeps continue to ignore the lessons of 2011-12. And the sequel lesson of 2013 will confirm, keep ur eye on Factory Yamaha for a clue! Trade Crz Joe's bike for Marc's (i know, most of u cant imagine, just like the idiots who said VR would wipe up CS on SucGP). How many times does Marc have to sit up not to pass, only to pass at will later on and still peeps claim its corner drive, or the lames of all explanations, its that he only weighs 3 pounds, or its that his gears, its that...bla bla bla (I told you Baturro you wouldn't like my take, hahaha, take solace in that you had a great weekend (except Nicky's crash, that was just awful). But I think its like MotoGP, where its ALL about the competitive bikes, where then peeps make conclusions and count wins like they are something extraordinary. Marc would have easily won this race had it not been for rivals putting all at risk on brakes to make up for their disadvantages. Redding and Crz Joe are probably fairly frustrated getting passed like Marcs got some kinda turbo boost, so they said .... it, im gonna brake as late as is physically possible. That i submit, takes as much balls as these so called "experts" describing Marc as the next baby Jesus. Its a ....... mismatch of machines, similar to MotoGP. Who hear thinks that Crz Joes bike is on equal footing to Marc? Oh wait, Andrea is 7 feet tall and weighs 300 pounds. I guess thats why Marco Sic never won anything in the lower classes...
Oh, and Redding, great result. Move was obviously due to Crz Joe's moment while he was risking life limb putting on moves to Marc. Nonetheless, having to contend with that injury was gutsy. Reddings battle with Marc was equally thrilling. All these kids have balls of steel, but there is no doubt, some have to risk way more to pull off these battles. Finally, Pol should send his 'teammates', Redding & Crz Joe flowers.
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Gearing is hardly rocket science. You can bet that any competent race engineer can set up the ratios to provide optimal drive in most situations.
With the limited ratios Moto2 are allowed, there will always be compromises. But since the beginning and middle of a straights are so important, it's a near-certainty that every team will come up with similar solutions. Despite this, Marquez was driving away from everyone without even trying. If he was getting better drive only when exiting the corners I could easily believe that it was due to lighter weight, better throttle control, better bike/setup, etc. But no - MM is leaving people in the dust halfway down the straight, where aerodynamic drag starts to become the limiting factor. Hell, not even the Midget Mk1 (Pedrosa, king of starts) can gap the other bikes the way MM can. He either has a huge horsepower advantage, or a huge aerodynamic advantage or - just maybe! - a little of both.
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May I direct you to all the people who don't think Carmelo had anything to do with VR going back to Yamaha? And there are also lots of teams in MotoGP, sponsors, etc. How about the discarding of the rookie rule, have you ever seen a press release stating it was done for Marquez?
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To me it seems quite arrogant to suggest that from the position of a fan, watching races on the TV and reading various websites you can detect something that literally thousands of people in a much better position cannot see. If it was fixed or there was some blatant cheating going on then I would imagine that some of the riders, teams, sponsors and manufacturers racing against them would either say something or leave the sport in disgust, and probably say something about it too. Either that or they are all literally in on it and bike racing is fixed like WWF and they are all as guilty as each other for being dishonest about the nature of the sport.
Mechanical foul play, in a series where engines are standard, rotated, subject to checks and other teams can call out foul play I find it hard for Marquez to have that sort of advantage. Does he have a financial advantage, sure. Does that get you the best possible package in terms of aerodynamics, mechanics and all things possible outside the standard specks to make the package better, sure. Are all the riders able to acquire such sponsorships?? Maybe and sure. Maybe if they are good enough, and sure if they are Karel Abraham. But the rider is the one that makes the bike go round the track.
Exactly, when the lights go out the rider has to put up or shut up. Countless riders have poured everything they have into racing and not achieved anywhere near what Marquez has, at the end of the day he delivers
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You've alway been to believe at face value what the entities tell you. I remember jokingly tell you that the press release admitting backroom deals would never be published. Anyway, regarding your point, you may want to consult Kropo his thoughts about who gets the "good" tires and who doesn't in WSBK. You think MotoGP is any different? They are business men running a business disguising it as an authentic competition. The politics in the series are just like the politics in any country. Where there are powerful men running ...., there will be corruption. But by all means, continue to wait for the press release...
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Agree with some of your points, but the extended reality is that ultimately men are running the league, and where anything can be manipulated in favor of some but detrimental to others, they will do it. Friend, you, like Tom may not believe Carmelo had anything to do with VR's signing of Yamaha, but the observed reality tells another story. You guys may also not believe the rookie rule was discarded for Marquez, perhaps with some backroom deal with HRC, but the observed reality tells another story. When some of us observed Marc on the track, we observe a bike that is vastly superior to his rivals, you want to dispute this reality? Regarding your point about "standard" engines, well, we have a "standard" tire in MotoGP, did that keep peeps, including riders themselves, sighting a tire conspiracy? What about Wsbk, did you know they also run a "standard" tire? And guess what, its also believed to be manipulated. You know why my respected friends, because the REALITY on the field with the ........ they claim does NOT coincide.
Lets just backtrack a bit. Do you believe, yes or no, simply answer, that Marc has an "acceleration advantage"? Simple yes or no answer will suffice. Then we can go from there.
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Lets just backtrack a bit. Do you believe, yes or no, simply answer, that Marc has an "acceleration advantage"? Simple yes or no answer will suffice. Then we can go from there.
It's pretty obvious he has an advantage going down the straights. The question is really, what is giving him this advantage? My guess would be Repsol's special blend of super lube.
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Hes a good kid that will grow up and mature, just like Lorenzo did. (I actually didnt like JLo one bit during his lower class). But just because i like him as a kid doesnt stop me from pointing out his major advantages. If u want to pretend he doesnt blast past at will due to his acceleration advantage and dream it didnt happen, hey, thats ur free right.
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I don´t like at all that VR gets the super suck job, it´s a shame for the sport and in my POV makes it loose it´s integrity. Never the less, this is Moto 2 and not GP we are talking about. Another beast all together. Tires/tyres have nothing to do with what we are discussing in Moto 2 and you are using this as filler for your baseless argument.
Spec engine is the BIG selling point for the series. It´s what this series is based on. You see a faster bike, I see a better over all package. Mark´s faster than average acceleration can be due to various things, all of which can be modified to gain such advantage. How the team does it? No idea, I am not a mechanic nor do I get the inside scoop from Alzamora. But if there was some illegal advantage going on, there would be many people (mechanics, teams, figure nerds like Geo) with much more than ideas as to why Marquez has a better package and be able demonstate proof on the situation. "Watch the race, see how fast he accelerates, must be cheating" is not PROOF.
Spec engine is the BIG selling point for the series. It´s what this series is based on. You see a faster bike, I see a better over all package. Mark´s faster than average acceleration can be due to various things, all of which can be modified to gain such advantage. How the team does it? No idea, I am not a mechanic nor do I get the inside scoop from Alzamora. But if there was some illegal advantage going on, there would be many people (mechanics, teams, figure nerds like Geo) with much more than ideas as to why Marquez has a better package and be able demonstate proof on the situation. "Watch the race, see how fast he accelerates, must be cheating" is not PROOF.
