An interesting observation about Lorenzo leading Rossi

RCV600RR said:

As you note, I have no 'fan' status. I like Nicky and Vermeulen's attitudes above all, but I'm more of a racing fan; I love the guys at the back of the grid just as much! For me, I just love the entertainment these guys can give.



Those who read carefully, such as yourself, would have noted that I didn't say "Rossi would have beaten Lorenzo". No one on this planet can state that with any accuracy. However, the reverse also applies; I was disputing the comment that "Lorenzo would have beaten Rossi had Rossi not crashed at Mugello", based on the argument that Lorenzo was leading the championship at that stage.



The fact is, nobody knows how the championship would have turned out had Rossi not crashed(that is, Lorenzo emerging victorious or Rossi emerging victorious!). The only thing I do know is that Lorenzo was the rider who deserved the title in 2010 the most, by gaining the most points at the end of the season...which, of course, is the explicit aim of the championship!

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I agree and have said the same before. This doesn't take away from Lorenzo's right to the 2010 championship, it's just a 'what if' question. Some people won't accept that Rossi was capable of getting near to Lorenzo. They also say that as there was no conclusive proof that Rossi had a shoulder problem because we weren't sitting with him at the doctors and haven't seen the x-rays/scans or whatever else, he therefore was 100% but was just shown up as a second rate rider compared to Lorenzo.



I don't enter into these 'what if's' anymore for the reason that there is no point. All that happens is you argue, get labelled and you figure out that you've wasted four hours of your life that you'll never get back. I think your comment was objective. The reactions by some have been pretty subjective. Your's would have stood in court as you have simply stated facts. I.e. noone does know what would have happened and noone can know.



What if Casey had sorted the bike at the start of the year? He might have flogged Lorenzo. What if Hayden was on Lorenzo's Yamaha, he might have won. I could spend all day with the 'what if's'.



Bring on next year, it's going to be a long off-season. I need some alcohol.

RCV600RR said:

Please read my post more carefully.



Lorenzo is clearly worthy of being champion, since he finished with the most points. He was the most consistent, and was consistently the fastest. He is no flash in the pan, he has been steadily developing from his MotoGP debut in 2008.



I was just stating that the fact that Lorenzo was leading Rossi after three round, of itself does not mean that he would have beaten Rossi over the whole season if Rossi had not been injured. Whether or not he would have, no-one knows! The fact is, Rossi let his tyres cool off trying to shake off Barbera, didn't use his head, went too hard on cold tyres and hurt himself.

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sorry man, i thought this was heading in that direction . you know how some people would pick that up to argue how lorenzo just would have lost like in 08 and 09 I admit that I've come to be a little over-sensitive when it comes to questioning the seasons where riders other than rossi won ,but you know theres a reason for it and let me assure you that i'm sorry if i did you wrong by counting you as one of those people that discredit the titles.





@ talpa : don't call it ..... weed is to me what rossi is to you , if you want to look for posts discrediting other riders...you already posted more than 1000 times here, just look it up.

and really like BM said you should be thankful that jum didn't carry out the ultimatum so don't call him a ..... when you're clearly his

Talpa i dont know why you bother mate....i mean seriously. This thread is a rehash of so many others that have gone by.....



Just let them reside in this anti forum they have created for themselves.



This forum is infested and should be renamed to suit its target audience.

Jumkie said:

But believe me, I'm trying my best to rid this place of every mindless crazy like you. Just for the moment, I'm keeping you around as I love the entertainment value you provide. Just like a pet.

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Stomach churning.



I'll keep you around?



Oh lol.........i dont know if i should laugh at the joke its surely intended as, or vomit at the self important undercurrent.

cliché guevara said:

and really like BM said you should be thankful that jum didn't carry out the ultimatum so don't call him a ..... when you're clearly his

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I hope you are joking !? Its jumkies "ultimatum" (with all the power of a flea ) I was having a laugh at, and would think Talpa was also. As much as i disagree with every single thing Talpa says, he is not as "urksome" as Jumkie's "supreme forum power" persona ( though he fancies himself a "killer whale" his bravado created an image of a flea ........ with coke bottle glasses )



Now lets get Talpa back on track with his extremely silly posts and off this "forum hero's business", I want to feel good about dissing his posts ...... not a flea on a killer whales back

Rob said:

Stomach churning.



I'll keep you around?



Oh lol.........i dont know if i should laugh at the joke its surely intended as, or vomit at the self important undercurrent.

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Yes its actually really very amusing. And his fellow bottom dwellers reactions are also as predictable as the sun rising, although I'm sure he is behind at least two or three other newer memberships, whose POV's seem remarkably similar. Wait!! that's a theoretic bias subjective opinion, I'm becoming him, Kersh, Povol or Mentally AnaIncapable!! Oh hang on, first I must call out and ridicule others on what I view to be this kind of behavior and then do it myself before I can claim to be on their level I think they need a name for their club-'The Haters Double Standards Association' maybe?



It is amazing how one as elitist and utterly egotistical can't follow through on his own ultimatums. Jumkie is an entity who has always believed he is the protagonist in this presently, unfortunately rather sad forum. Its not hard to see that clearly he either can't, as he is dead wrong on his argument and the proof doesn't exist, or he is too much of a ..... to be the one to make another member leave despite being the one who asked for it in the first place!! More than borderline psychotic....



Either way in his sad little world he loses, thus the twisting, turning, backpedaling rubbish performance we are currently witnessing, which is of course is not working and should earn him a Razzie....



And I happen to agree with most of what Baz posted above, at least he can acknowledge to state of play. Right now I'm only hanging around for sheer entertainment ,watching him pathetically attempt to worm his way out of it with the new tactic of claiming that I'm worse than Pinky and Supershit, just for proving him wrong! And trying to get others to believe his .... when clearly from the poll in the other thread no one shares his opinion, I can here his little mind ticking 'Maybe if I can get them to believe he's the worst troll ever, they'll forget about my disgraceful ultimatum.



Watching this alone is worth the price of leaving.

Talpa said:

Yes its actually really very amusing. And his fellow bottom dwellers reactions are also as predictable as the sun rising, although I'm sure he is behind at least two or three other newer memberships, whose POV's seem remarkably similar. Wait!! that's a theoretic bias subjective opinion, I'm becoming him, Kersh, Povol or Mentally AnaIncapable!! Oh hang on, first I must call out and ridicule others on what I view to be this kind of behavior and then do it myself before I can claim to be on their level

I think they need a name for their club-'The Haters Double Standards Association' maybe?



It is amazing how one as elitist and utterly egotistical can't follow through on his own ultimatums. Jumkie is an entity who has always believed he is the protagonist in this presently, unfortunately rather sad forum. Its not hard to see that clearly he either can't, as he is dead wrong on his argument and the proof doesn't exist, or he is too much of a ..... to be the one to make another member leave despite being the one who asked for it in the first place!! More than borderline psychotic....



Either way in his sad little world he loses, thus the twisting, turning, backpedaling rubbish performance we are currently witnessing, which is of course is not working and should earn him a Razzie....



And I happen to agree with most of what Baz posted above, at least he can acknowledge to state of play. Right now I'm only hanging around for sheer entertainment ,watching him pathetically attempt to worm his way out of it with the new tactic of claiming that I'm worse than Pinky and Supershit, just for proving him wrong! And trying to get others to believe his .... when clearly from the poll in the other thread no one shares his opinion, I can here his little mind ticking 'Maybe if I can get them to believe he's the worst troll ever, they'll forget about my disgraceful ultimatum.



Watching this alone is worth the price of leaving.

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Anyone who posts an avatar pic of himself(and the moobs dont help) with rossi, the very object of their hate campaign......has really already failed.



One thing about povol......i highly doubt he would sink so low as to stick rossi in his avatar. But the key difference is that he is not continuing the sharade of pretending to be an actual fan. So he gets away with some of it.



Jumkie however is as transparent as they come.......



Even an out and out "bopper" should garner more respect than this fail artist, because at least they dont lie straight out of the gate, as to what they are really about.



EDIT: just read the yamaha ultimatum thread and barry wtf. this guy is off the richter scale......and like rainman with all the emoticons.

RCV600RR said:

As you note, I have no 'fan' status. I like Nicky and Vermeulen's attitudes above all, but I'm more of a racing fan; I love the guys at the back of the grid just as much! For me, I just love the entertainment these guys can give.



Those who read carefully, such as yourself, would have noted that I didn't say "Rossi would have beaten Lorenzo". No one on this planet can state that with any accuracy. However, the reverse also applies; I was disputing the comment that "Lorenzo would have beaten Rossi had Rossi not crashed at Mugello", based on the argument that Lorenzo was leading the championship at that stage.



The fact is, nobody knows how the championship would have turned out had Rossi not crashed(that is, Lorenzo emerging victorious or Rossi emerging victorious!). The only thing I do know is that Lorenzo was the rider who deserved the title in 2010 the most, by gaining the most points at the end of the season...which, of course, is the explicit aim of the championship!

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This is a beautiful example of how this forum works now. Before you are worthy of making a contribution....you have to deny being a fan of a certain somebody, before the rossi police grant you accesss to continue your contributions without being cornered and then the enivitable thread derailage.



Dont feel you have to explain anything mate.

How cute, Talps called Rob to defend him. Wer u feelin a bit lonely Talps? Birds of a feather r dumb together.

Rob said:

This is a beautiful example of how this forum works now. Before you are worthy of making a contribution....you have to deny being a fan of a certain somebody, before the rossi police grant you accesss to continue your contributions without being cornered and then the enivitable thread derailage.



Dont feel you have to explain anything mate.

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Yes, but this is an effect by ......... like u & talps etc. whose first reactiin (in the very rare moments u guys say something on topic) its usually a variation of 'Rossi good everthing else bad.' If it wasnt for mindless peeps like u guys, others might b more inclined to be read in good faith. Talps self destruction lately has been hilarious as his defensuve mode has brought him to a place that every post is disruptive trolling. Just like ur initial input here casting ur support for Talps not to bother. What exactly did he say on topic? Infact he ...... up in his haste to post that he didnt even read my correct and i had to explain it. About ur stomach, Talps is my pet. I treat him as such bcause i hav no respect for him. So i mess with him with jokes and putdowns. Its fun, as u can see u and him r not holy, as u boys do the same. Perhaps ur weak stomach should ache at Taps calling others .... all the time. Double standard? But i know its just u trying to support Talps becuz i've called u on similar ......... Its pretty clear ti everybody, the only people protesting r the ones that Worship Mindlessly and call anybody else Haters.

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Its cheese & ham, gotta have cheese man!

Rob said:

Anyone who posts an avatar pic of himself(and the moobs dont help) with rossi, the very object of their hate campaign......has really already failed.



One thing about povol......i highly doubt he would sink so low as to stick rossi in his avatar. But the key difference is that he is not continuing the sharade of pretending to be an actual fan. So he gets away with some of it.



Jumkie however is as transparent as they come.......



Even an out and out "bopper" should garner more respect than this fail artist, because at least they dont lie straight out of the gate, as to what they are really about.



EDIT: just read the yamaha ultimatum thread and barry wtf.

this guy is off the richter scale......and like rainman with all the emoticons.

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yep, baz is extra scary over there.



Well we've got some more of the same bs, pet things been done, ....... has been done, still no proof this backpedaling bs isn't even entertaining anymore. Oh hang on, we've now got the off topic diatribe .... Off topic-coming from him........As soon as a thread about Rossi emerges he's using the old invisible yellow army debate every time within the first two page. Boring, sensless not even creative manipulation anymore. Must have knocked off the last two brain cells....



Sorry jum topic will always be what a imbecilic ..... you are, dually noted your supporters are many in number, your little stage is collapsing around you and the funniest thing is you orchestrated the whole thing!!

Jumkie said:

Yes, but this is an effect by ......... like u & talps etc. whose first reactiin (in the very rare moments u guys say something on topic) its usually a variation of 'Rossi good everthing else bad.' If it wasnt for mindless peeps like u guys, others might b more inclined to be read in good faith. Talps self destruction lately has been hilarious as his defensuve mode has brought him to a place that every post is disruptive trolling. Just like ur initial input here casting ur support for Talps not to bother. What exactly did he say on topic? Infact he ...... up in his haste to post that he didnt even read my correct and i had to explain it. About ur stomach, Talps is my pet. I treat him as such bcause i hav no respect for him. So i mess with him with jokes and putdowns. Its fun, as u can see u and him r not holy, as u boys do the same. Perhaps ur weak stomach should ache at Taps calling others .... all the time. Double standard? But i know its just u trying to support Talps becuz i've called u on similar ......... Its pretty clear ti everybody, the only people protesting r the ones that Worship Mindlessly and call anybody else Haters.

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Are you seriously trying to pass that lame .... off as an actual reason?



Funny all i see is you and others jumping head first into everything before people even have chance to "hero worship"......its your silly remarks and ...... attitude that baits a bad response. And then you pass the book.



Maybe at the end of the day what once could be classed as a valid excuse for your collective attitudes, has long since expired and you conveniently cling to it for all its worth, in the hope that it will excuse your rantings forever more.



The OP guy posting an interesting set of facts and he ends up having to answer to you....making sure he isnt suggesting these things because simply because he is a fan? Pitiful...



Pffff infact dont reply with the expectation of another response, because i really am done wasting a nother second of my life(which actually is not revolved around this forum) responding to your condescending, arrogant, self important, hypocritical bs.



Even your own posse are on to you it seems.

R u two done pouting yet, crying foul when ur shown to be full of ....? Haha done? Yeah right, u fools cant help urselves. Why? Cuz ur patho. Thats what makes this so fun, its easy to get u flustered. Haha, i can see ur face flush red like a kid in a playground. Are ur arms flailing only stopping to type? Think about how angry u two are, haha, i love it. Ur sick. Get help boys. This is the internet u dumb ...... Rob, epic failure to defend crybaby Talps. Who u gonna defend next, supershitya? U'll hav more success. Talps trying to vilify Anarchist, whos been fair, but in Talps brain, just another hater. This is the type of person uv aligned urself Robby. U said u read my ultimatum, then cry foul like Talps has, while u missed the point. Talps talks ignorant .... and now has put himself in a predicament wher we has to posture like one of those lizards that makes his body look big. Now u Robby r the same. What did u two lame brains contribute to this thread? Jack ..... Now run along and jerk eachother off.

RCV600RR said:

Yes, I think it's a valid point you make; the logic of the points made in the post must be the subject of discussion and reflection, rather than the poster's subjective rider preferences.

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And exactly how did Rob & Talpa do this??? They did exactly what ur saying should NOT be the point of posting. Talps came on and in his blind haste to LABEL this thread just anothet "rider preference thead; and erroneously chasticed for something i pointed out was not happening (that is he mistook this as a Rossi vs X thread, which i pointed out was not the case) then Rob came in to lend his support to the trolling ...... Meanwhile everybody has contributed to 'ur topic' EXCEPT Talps & Rob (not sure how this can be glossed over, all u hav to do is survey the thread). Cliche realized what u meant and clarified, and we were about to carry on with meaningful opinions, that is until Talps & Robbie insisted on making a tangent. Now we hav another ...... up thread thanx to Talps & Rob (which if u noticed lately has been their theme).



Now look wher we at with this perfectly good thread. Its ....... And ur observation has other ramifications that ive thought about since but frankly got caught up in ... for tat. Anyway, back on topic (if thats now possible). I knew Lorenzo had a good start to his first year but i had not paid attention to the pattern u pointed out, that being that hes been a good starter to the season. This season it looks like he put it all together seeing that the previous two had been interrupted by crashes. This year he didnt crash all season in a race. Remember when Stoner was laughed at when he crashed on the warm up lap? Well perhaps we all forgot Lorenzo did the same thing, crashed on the sighting lap (cant remember off top of head where, PI?). Anyway, we normally oversimplify such mistakes as bonehead errors, but it looks like Lorenzo was able to stay clear of bonehead moves (except that pass attemp on Simoncelli at Valencia). Lets not forget, even Lorenzo joined a long list of ..... rookies that used Nicky Hayden as a target last year. But as u correctly point out, Lorenzos has good fast starts. But this year however, that brilliant start pattern continued all year. I think its already been mention, but sbkplanet had a good article on Spies' take on Lorenzo. He basically said, he did what he needed to do all year. That means he stepped it up when he had to and dialed it back when he needed to. Then went into lights out at the end.