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AMA Road Atlanta Spoilers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Apr 5 2009, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just got to watch the Fontana DSB race 2.
Cardenas looked pretty strong so I'm not surprised he took the win though I'm pretty sure that it would be a cold day in hell before Roger let Cardenas beat him without safety car issues.
I guess Eslick taking third will put Povol's slew of DMG sucks posts on hold for a little while
or at least until tomorrow's race.
Did you see the TV schedule for Road Atlanta. There will be 4 seperate telecasts held over a 4 week period. One race will be shown per week. So we will see the last race May 2nd or so.

I dont know what you were watching but Eslick and the Buell Superbike dominated both DSB races at Fontana. And yes, DMG still sucks. I think you might have your tracks mixed up
 
Just saw Road Atlanta DSB 2. Wow, that was an eventful race. Top names crashing out, and Slick blasting buy on the straights only to get caught up on the twisty. Three wide into turns several times. It was fun to watch. I'm still not a fan of the Buell/Aprillia in the class, but at least the road courses somewhat keep them at bay. Of course, Buell still won race 2 and race 1 was a gift to Cardenasshole. Sux though because Roger Lee looked poised to take a double but was hindered by unSafety Car in 1 and front tire issue race 2. BTW, what was up with Hacking? he didn't look good at all. He got beat by two midpackers in race two. WTF.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 28 2009, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just saw Road Atlanta DSB 2. Wow, that was an eventful race. Top names crashing out, and Slick blasting buy on the straights only to get caught up on the twisty. Three wide into turns several times. It was fun to watch. I'm still not a fan of the Buell/Aprillia in the class, but at least the road courses somewhat keep them at bay. Of course, Buell still won race 2 and race 1 was a gift to Cardenasshole. Sux though because Roger Lee looked poised to take a double but was hindered by unSafety Car in 1 and front tire issue race 2. BTW, what was up with Hacking? he didn't look good at all. He got beat by two midpackers in race two. WTF.

It looked like people were taking tire gambles. DiSalvo and Zemke both appeared to be on a soft compound. A savvy vet like Hacking probably went soft at the front then rode easy, but the tires never delivered in the middle of the race.

Davies also appeared to have serious tire trouble. Slick, Herrin, Hayden, and Aquino all looked to be on harder compounds.

Just a guess.
 
As i predicted,the long back straight and the up hill acceleration played right in to the Buell Superbikes strengths at Atlanta. He blasted by Herren like he was sitting still on the uphill climb 1 turn from the finish. If it wasnt for the red flag,he was poised for better things in the other race. When he isnt sandbagging,he has shown that making up a second is no big deal when he needs to.The 600 guys are riding on the ragged edge to stay with the Superbike and showed time and again they were more skilled as riders with daring late braking sideways passes, only to be passed back on an uphill climb or a straight. I also have heard { RUMOR} that the 600's cant get to the new weight of 360 under the rules.. In essence,DMG gave them a gift that is unatainable with the aftermarket parts and rules they have at their disposal. Thanks DMG,for nothing. It will be interesting to see if the 15 pounds makes any difference what so ever in the Buells performance. Barber is not the track to judge because it is one of the tightest,if not the tightest tracks they go to and is a handling track.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 28 2009, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the up hill acceleration played right in to the Buell Superbikes strengths at Atlanta. He blasted by Herren like he was sitting still on the uphill climb 1 turn from the finish.

I agree with most of your post, but to be fair, it looked like Herrin had an issue coming out of that turn where Slick blasted past. It almost looked like he missed a gear it was so pronounced. Herrin also mentioned in the post race interview that he had an "issue" but did not give details.

But yes, I agree, the Buell has an advantage. No doubt.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 28 2009, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with most of your post, but to be fair, it looked like Herrin had an issue coming out of that turn where Slick blasted past. It almost looked like he missed a gear it was so pronounced. Herrin also mentioned in the post race interview that he had an "issue" but did not give details.

But yes, I agree, the Buell has an advantage. No doubt.
It looked to me like he knew what was coming and tried to get on the gas a little early and busted the rear loose for a split second. Thats what im talking about when i say they are riding the ragged edge to stay with the Superbike. They are having to try things that they normaly wouldnt, to be competitive. I think Hacking has said .... IT,it not worth riding over your head.
 
Good point
Although the racing was great I can't help but to think the danger it has created
with a guys riding over there head to keep up. What you saw Herrin do was
ride just about every lap completely on the edge just to stay with Eslick.
It was way too easy for the Bully.
Great job by Aquino. Good to see another youngster mixing it up.
Also R. Lee was back in form. I thought it would take him a while to get it back.
So much for him being shellshocked from last year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 29 2009, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>???
Im assuming the bully is the Buell and he is saying that the 600 guys are riding 110% while Eslick can go at 90%, be smooth, and not have to hang anything out.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 29 2009, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im assuming the bully is the Buell and he is saying that the 600 guys are riding 110% while Eslick can go at 90%, be smooth, and not have to hang anything out.
Yep
That's what I meant.
The positive side of that is that Herrin is riding that hard and keeping it on two wheels.
What I've always liked about him is that he seems completely unafraid to make a move.
He's always been agressive and rarely crashes. Maybe him chasing the BUELLY will
make him a better rider if it doesn't kill him first.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 29 2009, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im assuming the bully is the Buell and he is saying that the 600 guys are riding 110% while Eslick can go at 90%, be smooth, and not have to hang anything out.

Sounds like WSBK. Isn't that what we were begging for? A giant twin with a mild advantage vs smaller I-4s?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 29 2009, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sounds like WSBK. Isn't that what we were begging for? A giant twin with a mild advantage vs smaller I-4s?
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Well, yeah in principle. It was an interesting race. Eliminate the Buell and it still would have been interesting...or as you say, was it only interesting because all the 600s were chasing the rabbit?
 
Maybe that's the case but I still think that series would be great just because
it has so many good riders and the Kawi, Yam and Honda are all pretty evenly
matched.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Apr 29 2009, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe that's the case but I still think that series would be great just because
it has so many good riders and the Kawi, Yam and Honda are all pretty evenly
matched.
You mean...like it was last year. Haha, this has been the best class in the AMA for some time now. FX and SS have been all the entertainment in the AMA.
 
Finally sat down and watched DSB race 2 last night. Great race from an entertainment stand point. I was gutted to see Zemke lose the front and go down. Disalvo started to fade soon after that, tires? One thing I hate about AMA coverage is they don't talk about lap times much, so its hard to assess if someone is fading in lap time.

This was one track I thought the Buell would lose some time in the esses part. I can't imagine how hard it is to toss that thing left, right, left, right, etc through that section. Clearly though the extra 525cc helps out in the straights and out of corners.

Great job by Roger Lee , up until another strange crash. Same with Aquino. I agree, these guys appear to be pushing really hard to keep up with the cheater bike. More weight needs to be added to that thing soon, or more ........ will ensue.

Herrin had a great performance, quite commendable of him to keep up with the Buell. Hard to tell what happened in the 2nd to last corner where Eslick made if final pass, but was there any doubt that Eslick would pull exactly that move, he had massive drive out of that corner over the hill. It would have been smarter of Herrin to pass him there or on the last corner (if that's even possible). It looked like there was some contact in that pass by Eslick, as Herrin's foot came off the peg, but he made no mention of that in post race.

Entertaining race however, which as I have said before is all I'm asking for from this screwball class.
 
I`m really out of date with AMA racing,what happened to Neil Hodgson and BUELL !!! racing a SBK as well !!!!!,looks like I`m missing out here.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ May 1 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I`m really out of date with AMA racing,what happened to Neil Hodgson and BUELL !!! racing a SBK as well !!!!!,looks like I`m missing out here.
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Not sure im following your line of questioning. Hodgson is riding a Honda Superbike [if thats what you want to call it] but has missed the last 2 events after busting his ... on a dirt bike. He is back for this weekend. At Daytona he finished a relatively close second to Mladin. He was under contract to Factory Honda but they pulled out and he is riding for a pretty well funded sattelite team. As far as Buell goes, they have been handed the keys to the kingdom and are racing in Daytona Sport Bike with an 1125cc , liquid cooled,multi valve engine that depending o who you believe,is producing 20% more horsepower and almost twice the torque as the 600's they compete against

Oh, and up until this weekend,they were allowed to race at the same weight as the 600's when all the other Big Block VTwins were required to run 20 lbs heavier.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ May 1 2009, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I`m really out of date with AMA racing,what happened to Neil Hodgson and BUELL !!! racing a SBK as well !!!!!,looks like I`m missing out here.
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I'm eagerly awaiting Hodgsons return. I really think he is the only one in the paddock who can take it too Mladin. Honda are getting embarrassed right now, they need him. SBK is nearly unchanged from last year (the racing not the rules). Mladin is winning everything by a country mile now that Spies is gone.

Buell is the main benefactor of a new class called Daytona Sportbike. Unlike traditional displacement-limited classes, sportbike is actually designed to create racing machines that lap within a few tenths of one another. It was also designed to drastically reduce the cost of operating a race bike. Some have suggested DSB was created to make Buell win, but I think Edmondson throwing Buell a bone so Harley will get back into racing. DMG need the money.

Take DSB for what it is worth. It's kind of cool b/c the manufacturers can build whatever streetbike they want without having to worry whether or not it conforms to tradition displacement rules. DSB racing has been quite good, but judging the various machines based upon performance is useless.

Everyone, regardless of whether or not they support DMG, is eagerly awaiting the return of a true 600cc Supersport class. Right now, AMA Supersport has been turned into a kiddie class to stop the Japanese 600s from dropping out of DSB.
 

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