adventure in the sunshine state!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Mar 5 2010, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Reminds me of the Top Gear special a few years back....  
Is that the one where they were in Alabama in a pink car with Bama Sux on the side. It was a hoot.!

Superbike Race 2

1 54 Jake Zemke Suzuki 15 --.--- --.--- 1:38.983 1:38.600 4 8 National Guard Jordan Suzuki
2 22 Tommy Hayden Suzuki 15 0.009 0.009 1:38.911 1:38.783 3 7 Rockstar � Makita � Suzuki
3 155 Ben Bostrom Yamaha 15 0.081 0.072 1:38.867 1:38.310 9 0 Pat Clark Motorsports
4 23 Aaron Yates Suzuki 15 0.212 0.130 1:38.997 1:38.844 4 0 Jordan Suzuki
5 72 Larry Pegram Ducati 15 0.858 0.646 1:38.976 1:38.829 3 0 Foremost Insurance � Pegram Racing
6 4 Josh Hayes Yamaha 15 1.838 0.979 1:39.542 1:38.659 8 0 Team Graves Yamaha
7 79 Blake Young Suzuki 15 22.383 20.544 1:40.976 1:38.642 9 0 Rockstar � Makita � Suzuki
8 6 Brett McCormick Suzuki 15 29.235 6.851 1:41.784 1:39.905 2 0 Picotte Racing
9 25 David Anthony Suzuki 15 34.124 4.889 1:40.593 1:40.408 10 0 Aussie Dave Racing
10 44 Taylor Knapp Suzuki 15 34.404 0.280 1:40.703 1:40.703 15 0 RidersDiscount.com
11 91 Jeffrey Tigert Honda 15 46.244 11.839 1:43.420 1:41.010 3 0 TigerTeam Racing
12 18 Chris Ulrich Suzuki 15 46.486 0.242 1:47.738 1:40.208 4 0 RoadRacingWorld.com
13 64 Shane Narbonne Suzuki 15 48.176 1.689 1:41.958 1:41.668 4 0 DASPerformance.com
14 9 Eric Haugo Suzuki 15 1:18.778 30.602 1:44.241 1:43.584 7 0 Viking Moto
15 47 Scott Jensen Suzuki 15 1:18.890 0.111 1:44.242 1:43.475 6 0 Four Feathers Racing
16 48 Chris Clark Yamaha 15 1:19.303 0.412 1:44.914 1:43.251 3 0 Pat Clark Motorsports
17 269 Johnny Rock Page Suzuki 15 1:20.553 1.249 1:43.555 1:43.555 15 0 Aussie Dave Racing
18 12 Trent Gibson Suzuki 15 1:26.921 6.367 1:44.700 1:43.937 5 0 Gibson Motorsports
19 2 Eric Pinson BMW 15 1:28.530 1.609 1:44.654 1:44.132 3 0 Blue Moon Liberty Waves BMW
20 63 Skip Salenius Suzuki 15 1:50.336 21.805 1:54.164 1:44.447 4 0 Run 1 Racing Motorsports
21 21 P John Hopkins Suzuki 6 9 laps 9 laps 2:20.129 1:39.185 3 0 Monster Energy/M4 Suzuki

none of which is on tv

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 5 2010, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>none of witch is on tv

Glad to see they don't let witches on TV anymore.

I'm really surprised by the results. I was a bit nervous that Hayes and the Ducati 1098R would make this season a boring two horse race, but it hasn't been at all what I expected.

Jordan picks up his first SBK double with Zemke behind the bars of the National Gaurd Suzuki. His combined margin of victory was under .3 of a second. Hayes has struggled mightily so far, and Hopkins hasn't even finished a race. The 1098R hasn't been quite as good as I expected. Bostrom is the first Yamaha to podium.

Glad to see David Anthony in the top 10. He showed that he's got some talent at Mid-Ohio, but he broke his leg. I hope he can get a hold of some good equipment b/c I think he can run at the front. Maybe JRP can foot the bill.

Daytona 200 is off to a miserable start.

Pile up immediately after the start according to live timing. They'll be lucky if they finish before midnight.

It's gotta be freezing out there as well.

Good thing they can cut out an hour.

no feed anywhere?...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 5 2010, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no feed anywhere?...
Speed has it live
Eslick jumped out of the start box and AMA let it go. WTF
Cardenas out 1st corner.
Nice front pack. Hopefully it will last.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Mar 5 2010, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Speed has it live
Eslick jumped out of the start box and AMA let it go. WTF
Cardenas out 1st corner.
Nice front pack. Hopefully it will last.
DMG just dont know who they want to be.Last year they were penalizing people for muscle flinch's and now a guy jumps 2 feet out of his box and nothing. It will be interesting to hear Ulrichs take on this since he was the one on a crusade last year about box penalties.Eslick should clearly have been penalized. Pits played a huge roll in tonight's race but it seemed on the last stint,Herrin pulled the pin and was putting 2-3 10ths on everyone when he wanted to.Hopefully,he has his head on now for a full season. That's 5 in a row dating back to last season. Feel sorry for Melissa,that would have been an incredible run had she not fallen off. Like Russell said, it appears that she got sucked into that corner to fast after Herrin went past her and she ran out of talent.


DAYTONA 200 RESULTS

1. Josh Herrin (Yam YZF-R6), 57 laps
2. Dane Westby (Yam YZF-R6), -7.964 seconds
3. Steve Rapp (Duc 848), -24.496
4. Danny Eslick (Suz GSX-R600), -40.973
5. Kevin Coghlan (Yam YZF-R6), -1 lap, crash
6. Cory West (Suz GSX-R600), -1 lap, 39.919 seconds
7. Geoff May (Suz GSX-R600), -1 lap, -110.590, ran off track
8. Shawn Higbee (Buell 1125R), -1 lap, 114.030, crash
9. Taylor Knapp (Duc 848), -2 laps
10. Eric Wood (Hon CBR600RR), -2 laps, 15.626 seconds
11. Eric Haugo (Yam YZF-R6), -2 laps, 50.989
12. Ryan Patterson (Yam YZF-R6), -2 laps, 76.795
13. Bobby Fong (Duc 848), -2 laps, 77.343
14. Ricky Orlando (Kaw ZX-6R), -2 laps, 100.129
15. Santiago Villa (Suz GSX-R600), -2 laps, 100.244
16. Paul James (Buell 1125R), -3 laps
17. Andrea Padovani (Duc 848), -3 laps, 18.553
18. Alex Lazo (Yam YZF-R6), -3 laps, 31.987
19. Dario Marchetti (Duc 848), -3 laps, 69.585
20. Walt Sipp (Buell 1125R), -3 laps, 69.855
21. John Ashmead (Kaw ZX-6R), -4 laps
22. Robert Vargas (Kaw ZX-6R), -4 laps, 49.807
23. Kyle Keesee (Kaw ZX-6R), -7 laps
24. Calvin Martinez (Yam YZF-R6), -7 laps, 3.965
25. David Dumain (Yam YZF-R6), -8 laps
26. Melissa Paris (Yam YZF-R6), -10 laps, DNF, crash
27. Brett McCormick (Suz GSX-R600), -26 laps, DNF, crash
28. Kris Turner (Suz GSX-R600), -27 laps, DNF, crash
29. David McPherson (Yam YZF-R6), -28 laps, DNF, crash
30. Barrett Long (Kaw ZX-6R), -33 laps, DNF
31. Michael Barnes (Yam YZF-R6), -36 laps, DNF, mechanical
32. Tommy Aquino (Yam YZF-R6), -40 laps, DNF, mechanical
33. Reese Wacker (Suz GSX-R600), -42 laps, DNF
34. Jeff Wood (Suz GSX-R600), -42 laps, 5:03.726, DNF, crash
35. Craig Moodie (Yam YZF-R6), -47 laps, DNF
36. Anthony Fania, Jr. (Suz GSX-R600), -49 laps, DNF
37. Fernando Amantini (Kaw ZX-6R), -56 laps, DNF, crash
38. Martin Cardenas (Suz GSX-R600), -57 laps, DNF, crash
39. ....... Seller (Yam YZF-R6), -57 laps, DNF, crash
40. Josh Day (Yam YZF-R6), -57 laps, DNF, crash
41. P.J. Jacobsen (Suz GSX-R600), -57 laps, DNF, crash
42. Bostjan Skubic (Yam YZF-R6), -57 laps, DNF, crash
43. Russ Wikle (Suz GSX-R600), -57 laps, DNF, crash
44. Mark Crozier (Duc 848), -57 laps, DNF, crash

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 5 2010, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is that the one where they were in Alabama in a pink car with Bama Sux on the side. It was a hoot.!
Yea, the dead cow had me in tears!


"You've got to.... peel it!"  

The ama sucks. Runs the sbk race on thrusday and friday when nobody will show it.

And s. russell is a dumbed down skeltor. If ugly counts, or doesn't matter as it appears, I could do his job.

Please ama/dmg kill racing in America.


Oh yea too late they already did, american idol is more interesting and I've never seen it.

Just some thoughts.

I just left a celebration of life for my old mechanic and friend for 35 years and don't care right now.

'Soup was correct that Zemke was out of the other riders' reach at the end of SBK race 1; However, the .2 margin of victory is believable. A motorcycle can travel a long way in that amount of time at 190 mph.

That track sucks a sack of cocks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 5 2010, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Almost got shot today.

I'll tell the story when I'm sober. Good night yall.

Guess it takes a while to get sober. Dude WTF happened?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Mar 6 2010, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>'Soup was correct that Zemke was out of the other riders' reach at the end of SBK race 1; However, the .2 margin of victory is believable. A motorcycle can travel a long way in that amount of time at 190 mph.
2/10ths at 190 mph would be around 56 feet. He might have been a hair farther in front than 56 feet but not enough to start a conspiracy theory. If you want a conspiracy theory,here is one. DMG didnt penalize Eslick for an obvious jump start because they want him to do well on the 600 to justify the cheater Buell they allowed him to win the title on last year

Not interested at all! I think the AMA is less interesting than local NASCAR wannabe's..........

However, I was at the 200 simply because Jumkie insisted!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 5 2010, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Almost got shot today.

I'll tell the story when I'm sober. Good night yall.

Those hillbillies deserved what we did to them................I would have gone faster and closer if more road we're avail, tinted shield at night didn't help either

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 7 2010, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2/10ths at 190 mph would be around 56 feet. He might have been a hair farther in front than 56 feet but not enough to start a conspiracy theory. If you want a conspiracy theory,here is one. DMG didnt penalize Eslick for an obvious jump start because they want him to do well on the 600 to justify the cheater Buell they allowed him to win the title on last year

Superbike race 1 times were definitely legit. Zemke was 3 or 4 bike lengths ahead.

As far as Eslick, I don't know. It certainly would have drawn a penalty at just about any other racing event, but I think I prefer the no call to the rules last year. It's a 200 mile race and he rolled a half foot out of his box. It's Daytona, I say let it go. A half-foot isn't an advantage at Daytona. Cardenas made the holeshot and he chucked it down the road 15 seconds later.

DMG probably are more lenient with riders like Eslick, but they are going to be more lenient after last year's start debacle.

Historically speaking, the start rules are kind of ridiculous anyway. The rules had always been very liberally applied. If you watch old races from the 90s, guys used to pass people on the jump start and they wouldn't get called in.

People are only hypersensitive about the start rules b/c DMG decided that pixel movements over several frames of race footage was significant enough to penalize people. They got crucified for the Buell rules so they decided to be consistent with the start rules until they could reinterpret. Didn't work.

In reality, a little half-foot bump like Eslick's doesn't really damage the integrity of the race.

Well, I guess I 'care' enough to download the race.... Hope there's enough action to justify the bandwidth.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 7 2010, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Superbike race 1 times were definitely legit. Zemke was 3 or 4 bike lengths ahead.

As far as Eslick, I don't know. It certainly would have drawn a penalty at just about any other racing event, but I think I prefer the no call to the rules last year. It's a 200 mile race and he rolled a half foot out of his box. It's Daytona, I say let it go. A half-foot isn't an advantage at Daytona. Cardenas made the holeshot and he chucked it down the road 15 seconds later.

DMG probably are more lenient with riders like Eslick, but they are going to be more lenient after last year's start debacle.

Historically speaking, the start rules are kind of ridiculous anyway. The rules had always been very liberally applied. If you watch old races from the 90s, guys used to pass people on the jump start and they wouldn't get called in.

People are only hypersensitive about the start rules b/c DMG decided that pixel movements over several frames of race footage was significant enough to penalize people. They got crucified for the Buell rules so they decided to be consistent with the start rules until they could reinterpret. Didn't work.

In reality, a little half-foot bump like Eslick's doesn't really damage the integrity of the race.
Did he gain an advantage is not the question,did he break the start rule,yes or no. The outcome has nothing to do with it.Should they be allowed to go 10 mph over pit lane speed , is pit lane speed just an arbitrary number. What if the guy who had jumped was number 366 on the tenth row,you think maybe they would have called it. Of course they would. This was just another example of putting "THE SHOW" above integrity of the sport. Show of hands,who would have been bent out of shape had they called it on him.If your honest,you know damn good and well as soon as it happened, your first thought was stop and go. You have to have rules and you have to follow the rules. How is anyone supposed to take these clowns seriously if they just make rules and bend rules to their whim. They cannot escape their Nascar roots,arbitrary rules interpretation has been a staple for those guys for 4-5 decades and is inbred to them. Now we have the question,what is the magic number,how far do you have to be outside the box before its a "competitive advantage". Whats to stop Josh Herrin at the next race from jumping 10 feet out of his box and coming to a stop before the lights go out. Its just ten feet.What's the number. They have set a precedent now and that cant be good. If they were smart,they would come out and say," We made a mistake in not calling a jump start on Danny Eslick. We are going to be easier to work with this year, but not calling that, was as bad as calling muscle flinch's last year. From this day forward,if you are on the line or out of your box when the lights go out,it is a foul,period. Then they should penalize Eslick the amount of time a stop and go usually takes and if it costs him any places in the final standings ,so be it. If it doesnt,so be it. That would go along way towards earning back the respect of the fans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 7 2010, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did he gain an advantage is not the question,did he break the start rule,yes or no. The outcome has nothing to do with it.Should they be allowed to go 10 mph over pit lane speed , is pit lane speed just an arbitrary number. What if the guy who had jumped was number 366 on the tenth row,you think maybe they would have called it. Of course they would. This was just another example of putting "THE SHOW" above integrity of the sport. Show of hands,who would have been bent out of shape had they called it on him.If your honest,you know damn good and well as soon as it happened, your first thought was stop and go. You have to have rules and you have to follow the rules. How is anyone supposed to take these clowns seriously if they just make rules and bend rules to their whim. They cannot escape their Nascar roots,arbitrary rules interpretation has been a staple for those guys for 4-5 decades and is inbred to them. Now we have the question,what is the magic number,how far do you have to be outside the box before its a "competitive advantage". Whats to stop Josh Herrin at the next race from jumping 10 feet out of his box and coming to a stop before the lights go out. Its just ten feet.What's the number. They have set a precedent now and that cant be good. If they were smart,they would come out and say," We made a mistake in not calling a jump start on Danny Eslick. We are going to be easier to work with this year, but not calling that, was as bad as calling muscle flinch's last year. From this day forward,if you are on the line or out of your box when the lights go out,it is a foul,period. Then they should penalize Eslick the amount of time a stop and go usually takes and if it costs him any places in the final standings ,so be it. If it doesnt,so be it. That would go along way towards earning back the respect of the fans.

Povol, I think you are remembering it much worse than it was. His contact patch is literally 2" from straddling the start box. The jump was abrupt, but since he was in the middle of the start box, he barely went outside of the box. He had a 2" advantage in a 12,000,000,000 inch race.

I think you're starting to sound like DMG did last year. I'd expect them to penalize him at a sprint race b/c the holeshot is a big part of the race (especially DSB), but in the 200 it's better to just leave it alone. The integrity of the contest and the results was not damaged.

DMG didn't mess with it b/c Eslick is under Ulrich's wing now. Probably better for everyone involved that they just leave it alone.