He doesn't have the fastest bike. Get over Casey. 2008 is not your year.
BUT! But... it is only race three of 18. And he did WIN at Qatar in race one, pretty easily if I might add.
BUT! But... it is only race three of 18. And he did WIN at Qatar in race one, pretty easily if I might add.
hitting his hand and interfering with his clutch my aunt fanny.
it was dangling on the out side of the fairing and took all of a second to grab it and shove it in the fairing and how many seconds was he behind the winner
2 excuses in one ,
1. the dorna camera box
2. I didn't have a good feeling when there was a bit of water, well neither did anybody else mate.
they say proper racers always blame someone else
truth is stoner was slow all weekend due to everything other than himself. you stoner fans were slating rossi last year calling him a whinner and heres your boy crying like a ...... what you gota say now ,except barrymachine cos you no i dont read ya ..... ever.
luv ya pacman
it was dangling on the out side of the fairing and took all of a second to grab it and shove it in the fairing and how many seconds was he behind the winner
2 excuses in one ,
1. the dorna camera box
2. I didn't have a good feeling when there was a bit of water, well neither did anybody else mate.
they say proper racers always blame someone else
truth is stoner was slow all weekend due to everything other than himself. you stoner fans were slating rossi last year calling him a whinner and heres your boy crying like a ...... what you gota say now ,except barrymachine cos you no i dont read ya ..... ever.
luv ya pacman
What struck me was that he thought it might be something important - Is he that unaware of his bike that he doesn't know what is part of the bike (ie: always on it) and what has been added for the camera? If it were me I would've ripped the little thing out and tossed it aside like a buggy tear-off.
But then, he's Casey Stoner and I'm not.
But then, he's Casey Stoner and I'm not.
well he was in 6th about 5 seconds ahead of vermulen after about 5laps. then all of a sudden vermulen had overtaken him and he droped 6 or so seconds. when the camera issue happened
u dont drop 6 seonds in a mtter of a few laps if you didnt have problems and then when he solved the problem he rode away from vermulen and toseland again
u dont drop 6 seonds in a mtter of a few laps if you didnt have problems and then when he solved the problem he rode away from vermulen and toseland again
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I'm sure it was a nuisance but I really don't think it's as bad as he or anyone is making it out to be. It was a frustrating weekend for Stoner and Ducati and here is an easy way to direct that frustration in a way that doesn't blame the bike or the rider.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 13 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they say proper racers always blame someone else
truth is stoner was slow all weekend due to everything other than himself. you stoner fans were slating rossi last year calling him a whinner and heres your boy crying like a ...... what you gota say now ,except barrymachine cos you no i dont read ya ..... ever.
They all whinge as we have discussed many times, stoner certainly more than most; I do have to say there seems to be little resembling a whinge from the lorenzo camp thus far.
I also would have thought that riders should be given a special dispensation where dorna is concerned and be actively encouraged to whinge about them.
It is fanciful to suggest he should have just ripped the thing out; even if you know it is the camera how do you know what might come with it? He did go much slower for a few laps on the live timing and was passed by vermeulen, toseland and de puniet as pinky says so I guess he might have got close to hopkins without the problem, but then again hayden and dovi were well out of range when they crashed.
Even if he is a whinger, he is a whinger who may still be coming to get your boy
, whom he is only seven points behind by the way despite his reputed disintegration. The good thing for me in this piece is that he eventually set the fourth fastest lap, and I have read elsewhere he got into the 1:37s. This suggests to me that his problems were due to set-up; I think he +/- ducati got greedy and messed too much with the set-up in an attempt to improve performance at the tight tracks. It is interesting that he was back at first in the top-speed charts on race-day. He has now presumably given up his apparent ambition to win every race this season.
Rossi runs the risk that the tracks which suit the bridgestones may also be those which suit the ducati, so it is possible stoner may still be able to beat him because of a power/acceleration advantage on these tracks whilst rossi has given up his advantage on the michelin tracks. Of course it is also looking increasingly possible that lorenzo is just plain faster than stoner or even rossi at this stage of his career.
truth is stoner was slow all weekend due to everything other than himself. you stoner fans were slating rossi last year calling him a whinner and heres your boy crying like a ...... what you gota say now ,except barrymachine cos you no i dont read ya ..... ever.
They all whinge as we have discussed many times, stoner certainly more than most; I do have to say there seems to be little resembling a whinge from the lorenzo camp thus far.
I also would have thought that riders should be given a special dispensation where dorna is concerned and be actively encouraged to whinge about them.
It is fanciful to suggest he should have just ripped the thing out; even if you know it is the camera how do you know what might come with it? He did go much slower for a few laps on the live timing and was passed by vermeulen, toseland and de puniet as pinky says so I guess he might have got close to hopkins without the problem, but then again hayden and dovi were well out of range when they crashed.
Even if he is a whinger, he is a whinger who may still be coming to get your boy
Rossi runs the risk that the tracks which suit the bridgestones may also be those which suit the ducati, so it is possible stoner may still be able to beat him because of a power/acceleration advantage on these tracks whilst rossi has given up his advantage on the michelin tracks. Of course it is also looking increasingly possible that lorenzo is just plain faster than stoner or even rossi at this stage of his career.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 14 2008, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They all whinge as we have discussed many times, stoner certainly more than most; I do have to say there seems to be little resembling a whinge from the lorenzo camp thus far.
I also would have thought that riders should be given a special dispensation where dorna is concerned and be actively encouraged to whinge about them.
It is fanciful to suggest he should have just ripped the thing out; even if you know it is the camera how do you know what might come with it? He did go much slower for a few laps on the live timing and was passed by vermeulen, toseland and de puniet as pinky says so I guess he might have got close to hopkins without the problem, but then again hayden and dovi were well out of range when they crashed.
Even if he is a whinger, he is a whinger who may still be coming to get your boy
, whom he is only seven points behind by the way despite his reputed disintegration. The good thing for me in this piece is that he eventually set the fourth fastest lap, and I have read elsewhere he got into the 1:37s. This suggests to me that his problems were due to set-up; I think he +/- ducati got greedy and messed too much with the set-up in an attempt to improve performance at the tight tracks. It is interesting that he was back at first in the top-speed charts on race-day. He has now presumably given up his apparent ambition to win every race this season.
Rossi runs the risk that the tracks which suit the bridgestones may also be those which suit the ducati, so it is possible stoner may still be able to beat him because of a power/acceleration advantage on these tracks whilst rossi has given up his advantage on the michelin tracks. Of couse it is also looking increasingly possible that lorenzo is just plain faster than stoner or even rossi at this stage of his career.
your defo my fav stoner fan mike. good post matey.
I also would have thought that riders should be given a special dispensation where dorna is concerned and be actively encouraged to whinge about them.
It is fanciful to suggest he should have just ripped the thing out; even if you know it is the camera how do you know what might come with it? He did go much slower for a few laps on the live timing and was passed by vermeulen, toseland and de puniet as pinky says so I guess he might have got close to hopkins without the problem, but then again hayden and dovi were well out of range when they crashed.
Even if he is a whinger, he is a whinger who may still be coming to get your boy
Rossi runs the risk that the tracks which suit the bridgestones may also be those which suit the ducati, so it is possible stoner may still be able to beat him because of a power/acceleration advantage on these tracks whilst rossi has given up his advantage on the michelin tracks. Of couse it is also looking increasingly possible that lorenzo is just plain faster than stoner or even rossi at this stage of his career.
your defo my fav stoner fan mike. good post matey.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 14 2008, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they say proper racers always blame someone else
oh at last you get it Rog. ..... how come this was not your thinking last year
oh at last you get it Rog. ..... how come this was not your thinking last year
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 14 2008, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
oh at last you get it Rog. ..... how come this was not your thinking last year
because it wouldn't have been nearly as much fun
oh at last you get it Rog. ..... how come this was not your thinking last year
because it wouldn't have been nearly as much fun
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 14 2008, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sure it was a nuisance but I really don't think it's as bad as he or anyone is making it out to be. It was a frustrating weekend for Stoner and Ducati and here is an easy way to direct that frustration in a way that doesn't blame the bike or the rider.
I'm sure Stoner is frustrated at the moment but nonetheless the loose gear thing was pretty bad .... try riding at say 250 kpm with a bit of gear flapping around near your hand
It was pretty shonk and the look on the Bridgestone tyre guy in their garage said it all.
I'd say it definitely affected him as it would have anyone ....... but .... its not why he lost the race or even podiumed.
I'm sure Stoner is frustrated at the moment but nonetheless the loose gear thing was pretty bad .... try riding at say 250 kpm with a bit of gear flapping around near your hand
It was pretty shonk and the look on the Bridgestone tyre guy in their garage said it all.
I'd say it definitely affected him as it would have anyone ....... but .... its not why he lost the race or even podiumed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 14 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your defo my fav stoner fan mike. good post matey.
No worries roger. You are definitely entitled to retaliate for last year
.
No worries roger. You are definitely entitled to retaliate for last year
While I happen to think Stoner is a big whiner, I'm with him in this instance. A Dorna camera falling off is unacceptable.
I also happen to believe that Dorna have an agenda of promoting European riders particularly Spaniards (who have never been any good until they started getting hand outs
).
Motogp didn't start out trying to corrupt the paddock, but thanks to the miracles Carmela is working, it happened naturally. Everything GP racing has done has been an attempted to maintain control of the global talent pool. The switch to 4 strokes was part of a move to return GP racing to relevance, and the 800s have been part of a move to create parity between the various GP classes.
Dorna want people to believe the only way to world championships is through the GP system.
Well, the GP farm system is Ezy's play ground. It's where he socially engineers the sport to create revenues from the big markets. Now that Motogp and the lower classes have so much in common the real fruits of his labor are coming to fruition--spaniards winning no matter how lame, untalented, and unappealing they are. Congrats to Lorenzo for being likable--that's a first
I do find Stoner's remarks somewhat hypocritical though, since he was one of Ezy first experiments to reach out to the Australian fan base. Americans and Aussies don't like riding ..... bikes b/c as you can see you turn in to a little ...... But Ezy has been persistent in trying to court them.
Too bad Stoner sold his soul, imagine how could he could have been if he didn't leave Oz---Doohan comes to mind. What did he think was going to happen if he went to race on perfect pavement with a bunch of rich manorexic nancies? His loss.
I also happen to believe that Dorna have an agenda of promoting European riders particularly Spaniards (who have never been any good until they started getting hand outs
Motogp didn't start out trying to corrupt the paddock, but thanks to the miracles Carmela is working, it happened naturally. Everything GP racing has done has been an attempted to maintain control of the global talent pool. The switch to 4 strokes was part of a move to return GP racing to relevance, and the 800s have been part of a move to create parity between the various GP classes.
Dorna want people to believe the only way to world championships is through the GP system.
Well, the GP farm system is Ezy's play ground. It's where he socially engineers the sport to create revenues from the big markets. Now that Motogp and the lower classes have so much in common the real fruits of his labor are coming to fruition--spaniards winning no matter how lame, untalented, and unappealing they are. Congrats to Lorenzo for being likable--that's a first
I do find Stoner's remarks somewhat hypocritical though, since he was one of Ezy first experiments to reach out to the Australian fan base. Americans and Aussies don't like riding ..... bikes b/c as you can see you turn in to a little ...... But Ezy has been persistent in trying to court them.
Too bad Stoner sold his soul, imagine how could he could have been if he didn't leave Oz---Doohan comes to mind. What did he think was going to happen if he went to race on perfect pavement with a bunch of rich manorexic nancies? His loss.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 14 2008, 05:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do find Stoner's remarks somewhat hypocritical though, since he was one of Ezy first experiments to reach out to the Australian fan base.
This is a very valid point, but one which I didn't think would help my argument in my reply to roger's post
.
At least you have to give stoner credit for showing no fear or favour in his whinging/whining, having now added dorna to such notable targets as honda racing corporation in the past.
This is a very valid point, but one which I didn't think would help my argument in my reply to roger's post
At least you have to give stoner credit for showing no fear or favour in his whinging/whining, having now added dorna to such notable targets as honda racing corporation in the past.
I would expect that in racing terms having an object flapping around and impacting with your hand would be quite distracting and potentially painful (not knowing the size nor power of the impacts). As such I could believe that it would have affected Stoner in some way.
I also fully understand that he would have lost time while he 'came to terms' with whatever the object was and fully agree that he may not have known what the object actually was. To then try to 'rip out' as some have suggested the unknown object would have been a poor move given he did not know what the results may have been.
That said, I do think he has a legitimate whinge about the securing of the camera but whether that is a Dorna issue or his own team I do not know (who secures the cameras?)
But, I suspect that his results would not have been much different whether the camera came loose or not as he had been struggling all weekend to get the Ducati to work as he needs.
Is he whinging in this case, by some standards yes, by others probably not but when things don't go right and he speaks people consider it a whinge (much like others last year).
Garry
I also fully understand that he would have lost time while he 'came to terms' with whatever the object was and fully agree that he may not have known what the object actually was. To then try to 'rip out' as some have suggested the unknown object would have been a poor move given he did not know what the results may have been.
That said, I do think he has a legitimate whinge about the securing of the camera but whether that is a Dorna issue or his own team I do not know (who secures the cameras?)
But, I suspect that his results would not have been much different whether the camera came loose or not as he had been struggling all weekend to get the Ducati to work as he needs.
Is he whinging in this case, by some standards yes, by others probably not but when things don't go right and he speaks people consider it a whinge (much like others last year).
Garry
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 13 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That said, I do think he has a legitimate whinge about the securing of the camera but whether that is a Dorna issue or his own team I do not know (who secures the cameras?)
I'm sure the teams do. I'm hoping if Stoner made an issue of it, the part, not the installation was to blame
I'm sure the teams do. I'm hoping if Stoner made an issue of it, the part, not the installation was to blame
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 14 2008, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well he was in 6th about 5 seconds ahead of vermulen after about 5laps. then all of a sudden vermulen had overtaken him and he droped 6 or so seconds. when the camera issue happened
u dont drop 6 seonds in a mtter of a few laps if you didnt have problems and then when he solved the problem he rode away from vermulen and toseland again
Stoners lap times were as follows, lap 2 onwards:
1:40.913
1:39.593
1.38.868
1:39.288
1:39.280
1:39.452 - lap 7 Vermin overtook Stoner
1:39.738 - lap 8 JT overtook Stoner
1:40.130 - lap 9 De Punt it overtook Stoner
1:39.379
1:38.710
1:38.607
1:38.730
1:39.006
1:38.840
1:39.163
1:38.787 - lap 17 Stoner overtook Vermin
1:38.674 - lap 18 Stoner overtook De Punt it
1:38.378
1:38.389
1:37.972 - lap 21 Stoner overtook Toseland
1:38.218
1:38.301
1:38.149
1:38.409
1:38.394
1:38.199
1:38.885
I'd guess his camera issue began on lap 5 and he "fixed it" by lap 10. Time can often be lost by a rider when he is overtaken, eg block pass or similar, and Stoner was passed on three of those 6 laps too. He finished only 3 seconds down on <strike>Edwards</strike> Hopkins but, he may well have been cruising at the end (lap times were ~1 sec slower in the lap 5) due to the fact that he was not going to catch <strike>Hopper</strike>Edwards and Stoner wasn't going to catch him.
I reckon that he'd not have passed <strike>Edwards</strike> Hopkins if he had not had this issue.
Edited to correct my stupidity.
Just not used to seeing Colin so close to the podium
u dont drop 6 seonds in a mtter of a few laps if you didnt have problems and then when he solved the problem he rode away from vermulen and toseland again
Stoners lap times were as follows, lap 2 onwards:
1:40.913
1:39.593
1.38.868
1:39.288
1:39.280
1:39.452 - lap 7 Vermin overtook Stoner
1:39.738 - lap 8 JT overtook Stoner
1:40.130 - lap 9 De Punt it overtook Stoner
1:39.379
1:38.710
1:38.607
1:38.730
1:39.006
1:38.840
1:39.163
1:38.787 - lap 17 Stoner overtook Vermin
1:38.674 - lap 18 Stoner overtook De Punt it
1:38.378
1:38.389
1:37.972 - lap 21 Stoner overtook Toseland
1:38.218
1:38.301
1:38.149
1:38.409
1:38.394
1:38.199
1:38.885
I'd guess his camera issue began on lap 5 and he "fixed it" by lap 10. Time can often be lost by a rider when he is overtaken, eg block pass or similar, and Stoner was passed on three of those 6 laps too. He finished only 3 seconds down on <strike>Edwards</strike> Hopkins but, he may well have been cruising at the end (lap times were ~1 sec slower in the lap 5) due to the fact that he was not going to catch <strike>Hopper</strike>Edwards and Stoner wasn't going to catch him.
I reckon that he'd not have passed <strike>Edwards</strike> Hopkins if he had not had this issue.
Edited to correct my stupidity.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 14 2008, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I reckon that he'd not have passed Edwards if he had not had this issue.
I presume you mean hopkins whom I think he would have had some chance of catching given that he got down to 1:37s ; stoner may have slowed down himself in the last few laps when he realised there was no chance of catching hopkins. I don't think catching edwards could ever have been in prospect, nor hayden or dovi if they hadn't crashed.
I presume you mean hopkins whom I think he would have had some chance of catching given that he got down to 1:37s ; stoner may have slowed down himself in the last few laps when he realised there was no chance of catching hopkins. I don't think catching edwards could ever have been in prospect, nor hayden or dovi if they hadn't crashed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 14 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would expect that in racing terms having an object flapping around and impacting with your hand would be quite distracting and potentially painful (not knowing the size nor power of the impacts). As such I could believe that it would have affected Stoner in some way.
I agree with the part that it would have been distracting. But painful is just ridiculous. It was a tiny thing and these guys wear protection which is supposed to keep them safe at high speed spills so I doubt pain was an issue.
What I did hear him say on a post race interview was that it was interfering with his clutching as it kept getting in the way, which, admittedly, is an unacceptable condition to race in. He also admitted he hadn't the remotest clue as to what it was. Also, in my opinion, unacceptable.
Still, as others have mentioned, it was a convenient thing to be able to point a finger at otherwise he'd have had to turn it on himself (not going to happen) or Ducati (end of honeymoon) as it was pretty clear he was getting nowhere all weekend.
I agree with the part that it would have been distracting. But painful is just ridiculous. It was a tiny thing and these guys wear protection which is supposed to keep them safe at high speed spills so I doubt pain was an issue.
What I did hear him say on a post race interview was that it was interfering with his clutching as it kept getting in the way, which, admittedly, is an unacceptable condition to race in. He also admitted he hadn't the remotest clue as to what it was. Also, in my opinion, unacceptable.
Still, as others have mentioned, it was a convenient thing to be able to point a finger at otherwise he'd have had to turn it on himself (not going to happen) or Ducati (end of honeymoon) as it was pretty clear he was getting nowhere all weekend.
