4 spanish gp's

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 5 2010, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have to agree with HF. I was surprised that you offered up Circuit Gilles Villeneuve for the same reasons as HF mentioned. Tremblant is an interesting choice... I was on it in its second year and the tarmac was sweetly sticky... fun course. I have always thought Mosport would be a very viable track again with relatively little investment.

Mosport is still behind in terms of safety. But you look at Road Atlanta, which comes up as a choice by major series looking to come to the US. I have run both, and they are very similar tracks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 6 2010, 03:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In 2007 the UK hosted three World Superbike rounds at Brands, Donington, and Silverstone - this was not detrimental to attendances. In actual fact for many years Brands WSBk was the highest attended single sporting event in country, despite the fact that there were two UK rounds. Furthermore this statistic was born out after Fogarty's retirement.
Thanks arri I thought as much

common sense mixed with fairness.......hmmmm it's nice when members think and research before dribbling their pov

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Apr 4 2010, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is a disgrace. In a world full of developed countries who love bikes how can they not find other venues outside Spain?

Once again give the uk or Germany a second than Spain a fourth.

It's a business.and a big expensive one at that, so Dorna will pack the crowds( that's paying crowds) in during the spanish races and if they went to Gb twice, the brits would moan like .... as usual about" splitting the crowds and blah de blah zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz". Also there is the small matter of a "global recession" or whatever the spin masters are calling it this week, that will be blessed releif for the team budgets if there are a load of mainland Europe races.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 6 2010, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mosport is still behind in terms of safety. But you look at Road Atlanta, which comes up as a choice by major series looking to come to the US. I have run both, and they are very similar tracks.
Thing about Mosport is it has not been encroached on by development like many older tracks. There is plenty of room to update run-offs and safety... Haven't done (or even seen Road Atlanta, other than TV) but if it has the interesting blend of technically challenging corners and (sometimes) hear-stopping elevation changes it must be fun!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 6 2010, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thing about Mosport is it has not been encroached on by development like many older tracks. There is plenty of room to update run-offs and safety... Haven't done (or even seen Road Atlanta, other than TV) but if it has the interesting blend of technically challenging corners and (sometimes) hear-stopping elevation changes it must be fun!!

I like the sound of `elevation changes` .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 6 2010, 06:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thing about Mosport is it has not been encroached on by development like many older tracks. There is plenty of room to update run-offs and safety... Haven't done (or even seen Road Atlanta, other than TV) but if it has the interesting blend of technically challenging corners and (sometimes) hear-stopping elevation changes it must be fun!!

Turn 5 at Mosport is the most difficult, yet exciting corner I have ever taken in a race car. Slow, tight, downhill right that totally destroys the flow the sections leading up to it build.

The Circuit ICAR airport track in Quebec is pretty interesting as well. Short, flat, but no true facilities, but a very racey circuit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Otis Driftwood @ Apr 6 2010, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like the sound of `elevation changes` .

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Is it too late to switch to Spa in Belgium?

Because I would pay serious money to see that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 6 2010, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><object width="425" height="350<param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nPO7V7F5dpU</param><param name="wmode" value="transparent</param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nPO7V7F5dpU" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350</embed></object>

Thanks HF!Bit concerned about the run off on some corners but it looks very quick,I like it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Otis Driftwood @ Apr 6 2010, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks HF!Bit concerned about the run off on some corners but it looks very quick,I like it.

That is similar to many Canadian and US tracks. They were designed for open wheel and sports car competition. Bikes were an after thought in tracks outside of California for a long time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Otis Driftwood @ Apr 6 2010, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks HF!Bit concerned about the run off on some corners but it looks very quick,I like it.
I like the idea of a Canadian GP.  Mosport would kick serious butt!

That car has a lot more grip, and a lower top end, than a MGP bike. Most of the corners would be taken slower than the car (but still very fast) and would be traction limited.  The entry to T4 might be flat out (but then you're starting to brake before you can exit), every other corner would require a roll-off, at the very least. These 'real' (require bravery!) corners are what make tracks like Phillip Island so fantastic.  T6 Mosport is nearly identical to T1 at P.I., T2 = faster version of Lukey Heights.  Several other corner on these tracks compare well.

Here's a bike race.

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T2 would be a SERIOUS pucker on a MotoGP bike.  It's fast, blind, and falls away just as you've reached full lean.  You'd almost certainly need to improve the run off area there, at 5A, and possibly at T3 and T6 at the end of the straight.

A satellite view of the place: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=44....mp;t=h&z=16

 WSBK action!  I'm pretty sure the track has been widened since then.



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I doubt very much Val would certify Mosport however nice it is...and only a couple of hours from me. I have heard about Tremblant but never seen it. F1 races Montreal so it is really the only big venue we have. I realize the wall is a ..... but with a few bucks the kinks could be ironed out. And I think you'd get a higher turnout in Quebec. Ah crap I'm dreaming again.

The circuit on the island is literally maxed out. No way they could make the run-offs accommodate MGP. Mosport however could easily be brought up to snuff... but enough mental masturbation, it ain't gonna happen!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 7 2010, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The circuit on the island is literally maxed out. No way they could make the run-offs accommodate MGP. Mosport however could easily be brought up to snuff... but enough mental masturbation, it ain't gonna happen!!!

Best Canadian riders are Jordan Szoke and Brett McCormmick, and both are mid pack riders in AMA competition.

If the best riders are mid pack racers in what is a fairly weak national field, then there is no way to inspire a world championship race.

Hell, the Grand Prix and the 2 Indy Car races are struggling a bit. Best Canadian driver is 22 and running GP3 (same level as F3). The Indy Car races are losing money in Toronto and Edmonton. If even open wheel racing is struggling in a market where they have won world championships and Indy Car titles, bike racing is the last of the nations worries.

The reason for the mid pack results is probably due to the hp restrictions. I think they run Canadian spec bikes in the US...I could be mistaken. Szoke made his mark and would have done better if not for some border BS. McCormick is young and has potential. The pickings are thin for sure we are more of a hockey country really and that is where the athletic talent gravitates to.

Gilles, Jacques, Paul Tracy and Greg Moore stand up pretty well on the four wheel side...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 7 2010, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Greg MooreGreat driver, much missed.

How did a thread on four Spanish GPs turn into a thread about Canadian tracks and motorsports? Not that I'm complaining BTW...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 6 2010, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they're all far as hell no matter where it is


I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!