4 spanish gp's

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (andrei @ Apr 4 2010, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is this the spanish championship or what?
Yes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 4 2010, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes

Like Kropotkin says, Puig is the talent master of MotoGP. And being a Spaniard, who is he going to bring in? A German? A Brit? Not a chance. He isn't going to travel to watch those kids run national 125 classes. He is going to stay home and watch the kids of his homeland race, and pick them kids up.

Look at Spain and Formula 1. Before Alonso won, the Spanish for the most part didn't give a .... about F1. But now they have 2 GP, and now their own team (a back marker, but a team).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 4 2010, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like Kropotkin says, Puig is the talent master of MotoGP. And being a Spaniard, who is he going to bring in? A German? A Brit? Not a chance. He isn't going to travel to watch those kids run national 125 classes. He is going to stay home and watch the kids of his homeland race, and pick them kids up.
........ - Puig was actually charged with the task, by Dorna, to do just that. What route do you think Chaz, Leon Camier and Bradley Smith took? And yes he did travel to watch kids run in their respective national series, including one erstwhile Casey Stoner who by then was contesting/guesting in the British 125 Championship in 2001. All this in an era before the words Moto and GP, all this in an era before Nicky won a title and 'Hayden Fan' realised that two wheels were preferable to four.

Who mentioned Uncle Alberto anyway? All I was referring to was the fact that Moto GP is presided over by Spanish interest.

This is a disgrace. In a world full of developed countries who love bikes how can they not find other venues outside Spain?

Once again give the uk or Germany a second than Spain a fourth.

It's hardly a disgrace.
Where else would they have been able to organise a replacement for Hungary at such short notice? Italy perhaps? The circuit needs to be able to make enough money out of spectators to be able to pay Dorna after all. The Spanish will flock to this round - if it had been in Iceland for example, as per the April Fool joke, the gate takings would be much less.

Also Aragon looks like it should be a good spectator circuit - I'd rather have more of those than less.

In a perfect world it would be great to be able to have profitable rounds all over the world. However, venues like Istanbul, Shanghai and Qatar have proven that there are many locales that cannot support an event. Even with state of the art facilities. As long as there is a good crowd, the event is profitable and the track is interesting and most importantly, safe, then I don't care where it is.

If Spain can support four GPs (which they can), then why not?

The potential countries I mentioned both receive in excess of 90000 on race day......profitable and fair

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Apr 4 2010, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The potential countries I mentioned both receive in excess of 90000 on race day......profitable and fair

But give them a second race, and who says they get that many? Say Germany has 2. Half would most likely go to Sachsenring, and the other go to, uh.... what other track is even capable of a bike race? Lets use of the Nürburgring. So each race will see a decline in attendance. Or the UK. You have Silverstone, and Brands Hatch (Donny is dead. They won't finish the project, and it is too ...... up to fix).

The 2 US round work as one of a West coast event, and the other an East coast (close enough!) event. The big issue with Laguna was that it struggled to draw people from the east coast. New York, Florida, Kentucky, Georgia do not have to fly or drive thousands of miles to go see a race.

While you will see attendance increase significantly, as shown by F1 and MotoGP with China and the Middle East, attendance doesn't mean they are not making money. The circuits might have more people in the paddock than in the grandstands, but that circuit still is paying the fees to hold a race. And that is all Dorner cares about. The European and US races require people to come to afford the fees to hold a race, but the Asian rounds have governments behind them that like to spend money like it's water.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 4 2010, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's hardly a disgrace.
Where else would they have been able to organise a replacement for Hungary at such short notice? Italy perhaps? The circuit needs to be able to make enough money out of spectators to be able to pay Dorna after all. The Spanish will flock to this round - if it had been in Iceland for example, as per the April Fool joke, the gate takings would be much less.

Also Aragon looks like it should be a good spectator circuit - I'd rather have more of those than less.
ahhh.... common sense is alive & well here still...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 4 2010, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In a perfect world it would be great to be able to have profitable rounds all over the world. However, venues like Istanbul, Shanghai and Qatar have proven that there are many locales that cannot support an event. Even with state of the art facilities. As long as there is a good crowd, the event is profitable and the track is interesting and most importantly, safe, then I don't care where it is.

If Spain can support four GPs (which they can), then why not?
ahhh yes.... here as well...... thank you please very much!

they're all far as hell no matter where it is

Would`ve loiked Portimao,as I stated a while ago,but in a nutshell its there ,its exciting and tv coverage is far better than it used to be.I`m grateful.

Qatar recieve a STAGGERING 1000 audience! too bad motogp signed until 2016 with losail circuit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 5 2010, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But give them a second race, and who says they get that many? Say Germany has 2. Half would most likely go to Sachsenring, and the other go to, uh.... what other track is even capable of a bike race? Lets use of the Nürburgring. So each race will see a decline in attendance. Or the UK. You have Silverstone, and Brands Hatch (Donny is dead. They won't finish the project, and it is too ...... up to fix).
Donington Park has returned to the Wheatcroft's following the Donington Ventures debacle. I live near the circuit and was up there the other month. You may have seen the recent post by sprog from You Tube showing the current state of the circuit. The situation is not irrevocable, and although it will take a very large sum of money, the owners have pledged to restore it as a functioning race circuit. There is no project to finish currently, if it is renovated they will start anew.

In 2007 the UK hosted three World Superbike rounds at Brands, Donington, and Silverstone - this was not detrimental to attendances. In actual fact for many years Brands WSBk was the highest attended single sporting event in country, despite the fact that there were two UK rounds. Furthermore this statistic was born out after Fogarty's retirement.

Does anybody think that Dorna would refuse an additional UK or German GP if it was offered to them? Of course, if they went for a fourth Spanish GP it means there wasn't a real alternative. Spain is doing great in our sport, the wealth of GPs is just a sign of how popular motorcycle racing is there
Look at the 125 class this year -- Spanish domination! In a few years, more than 50% of the riders will be from Spain unless other countries decide to do something to seriously promote the sport.

Throw some money at this place for runoff and you'll have quite a race...I'd say mid summer right after Laguna. It's good enough for F1. It would be packed to the rafters.

Have you been there?

Zero runoffs as is, and being an island, there is little space to add anything more than already there. The curbing would have to be cut down, especially in the chicane before the start/finish as even with a FBMW car, we'd destroy the front suspension if we hit them wrong.

Like the picture shows, "The Wall of Champions" is not to be ...... with in a car, let alone a motorcycle.



If you're thinking of a Canadian round, give me 10 million, and I'll turn around Mont-Tremblant. Think Spa, but shorter. Even Mosport would be a better fit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Apr 5 2010, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Throw some money at this place for runoff and you'll have quite a race...I'd say mid summer right after Laguna. It's good enough for F1. It would be packed to the rafters.



Canada? Dude! We're talking about another country. Canada is just America's attic
where we store stuff that gets in the way.

Have to agree with HF. I was surprised that you offered up Circuit Gilles Villeneuve for the same reasons as HF mentioned. Tremblant is an interesting choice... I was on it in its second year and the tarmac was sweetly sticky... fun course. I have always thought Mosport would be a very viable track again with relatively little investment.