2017 Supercross season thread

[Barbedwirebikerr]

Enlighten me professor of chaos.

 

[Jumkie]

What a pack of rossioid primadona wusses .....

Two things

nobody likes to be lapped

you are in a race to race ...... no matter for what position and with whom ....



imagine that .... letting someone by ..... because they have more important competition in front.


and jumkie .......... one bike length!??? ...... really ...... what sort of bike is that long? :rolleyes;

I was just telling a couple buddies debating .... is a wormhole. It doesn't matter what the event is there are people ready to line up on either side, there is no right and wrong in the universe because the universe has morons to occupy space.

What's you're take BM? As usual we need the interpretation of what you're attempting to express using what appears like the English language.

Reed had already been lapped genius. Past tense. He let Tomac by like Petrux for Rossi, then sped up his lap times to bock Dungey. Stick to the GP threads, we've got used to tolerating your dribble there, much of it quite amusing, I'll give you credit. Don't let your nationalism cloud your tribalism here, Reed acted like a total ass swipe.

If you have followed SX, which frankly I doubt it as you're not a regular on these threads, you'd know Reed is a consistent .... talking whiner, he has a reputation for it, speaking of Rossiods, particularly of lappers, in your estimation a wuss of the highest order. Seems rich now you'd be defending a lapper because why? He's an Aussie, therefore you must defend him? I didn't take you for a Sean Hannity style patriots, blind to the facts, just hurrah for my side. And if Reed doesn't like getting lapped as you say, perhaps he should get off the track and go home because he's irrelevant, he doesn't have the pace to stay on the lead lap, that's a fact. In SX there are clear rules for lappers, one of which states to get the .... off the fast line. Holding the line then when safe get the .... off the preferred line. It's not confusing. It's done within a couple turns with regularity, several riders demonstrated it in this race alone as all SX races, as Reed himself demonstrated when he went Petrucci for Tomac, there is your racing for position logic. Reed clearly did this to .... with Dungey. Again, he was NOT racing for position with Dungey, imagine that, he was already a ....... lapper.

You invoked Rossioids, what is your position in the debacle of Sepang? Because most people called Marquez the wuss who couldn't handle manly Rossi. Yet this isn't a similar situation, Reed was a lapper. It would have been if Marquez were racing Rossi after getting lapped by Pedrosa and Lorenzo, that's how clear Reed's .... up is here. Go back to entertaining us with you amusing take about how you're smarter than all the Ducati engineers.

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[Jumkie]

Whole thing is blown way out of perpective. Reed done exactly as he should, hold line when shown blue flags. Though this justifies the first lap at least, at some stage he should have had a look over the shoulder to check where dungey was at, and i reckon any other weekend he'd button off and allow dungey through.

But this weekend dungey had a bitch over the heat race. Reed was way ....... clear of dungey before moving across on the whoops, yet was accused as cutting off the ktm Dungey had nothing to mention.

My opinion, reed should have made a gap for dungey after a lap of blues, but also dungey should have forced the issue if he wants to be a championship contender.

Even if he passed, tomac had his measure. Overall result not affected.

This all is an odd argument coming from you Barb.

1. First and foremost, Reed was a LAPPER, he wasn't relevant at that point. He wasn't racing anybody for position when he let Tomac by then upped his pace by 2 secs and staying on the preferred line for three laps. Nobody would justify staying there for a complete lap as you say. Not even Reed would make this argument if you asked him.

2. The rules for lappers states to hold the line AND get OFF the preferred line when safe, that is: action is required! This is usually done within a couple of turns NOT an entire lap. Reed shouldn't have even been there in the first place since the blue flags were waving feverishly and continuously since when he let Tomac by, Reed was aware there was a race for the lead.

3. Force the issue, you mean risk crashing out a competitor who clearly was out to cause him harm? That sounds like a great idea, because of course Reed would just sit there and let himself be crashed out, right? Reed had nothing to lose, he was ALREADY LAPPED! Who would be at risk in forcing this situation? If Dungey wants to be a contender? He's leading the points, he IS the contender for the title. Did you happen to see Barcia force the issue? What happened to him? Dungey is leading the points, he's in a title battle, your suggestion is to do what... likeTossi perhaps, maybe kick Reed off the track?

4. A bitch over a heat race, who had the bitch? Because Reed looked to be the bitch, petulant as usual in his case. Reed was NOT way clear as you say, they were in the woops, a section of track where its not common to change your line, and certainly not to cut across. The back wheel had barely cleared Dungey's front! There was certainly a reason to point that out by Dungey.

5. What does the blue flag indicate? What does it mean? Keep in mind, the blue flags don't magically appear, they start waving at you as the leaders are approaching not when they're already on your ass. I heard it described this way, the blue flag means 'there's a race going on and you're NOT in it!' Or I prefer this explanation, 'the blue flag means get the .... out of the way!'

6. Speculation of who might have won the race is ridiculous, and you know that brother. This was the first time Dungey was able to make up ground on Tomac, that is to say, Tomac's late race pace was uncharacteristic. The lead had shrunk almost to the point where they were both in the same sections. There was still plenty of time. If you look at the laps times leading up to Reed's bocking, Dungey was making up significant time on Tomac. As Dungey said, when you put pressure from behind things are better for the chasing rider. That's not rocket science. Who would have won the race? Thanks to Reed we will never know.





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[birdman]

I was just telling a couple buddies debating .... is a wormhole. It doesn't matter what the event is there are people ready to line up on either side, there is no right and wrong in the universe because the universe has morons to occupy space.

What's you're take BM? As usual we need the interpretation of what you're attempting to express using what appears like the English language.

Reed had already been lapped genius. Past tense. He let Tomac by like Petrux for Rossi, then sped up his lap times to bock Dungey. Stick to the GP threads, we've got used to tolerating your dribble there, much of it quite amusing, I'll give you credit. Don't let your nationalism cloud your tribalism here, Reed acted like a total ass swipe.

If you have followed SX, which frankly I doubt it as you're not a regular on these threads, you'd know Reed is a consistent .... talking whiner, he has a reputation for it, speaking of Rossiods, particularly of lappers, in your estimation a wuss of the highest order. Seems rich now you'd be defending a lapper because why? He's an Aussie, therefore you must defend him? I didn't take you for a Sean Hannity style patriots, blind to the facts, just hurrah for my side. And if Reed doesn't like getting lapped as you say, perhaps he should get off the track and go home because he's irrelevant, he doesn't have the pace to stay on the lead lap, that's a fact. In SX there are clear rules for lappers, one of which states to get the .... off the fast line. Holding the line then when safe get the .... off the preferred line. It's not confusing. It's done within a couple turns with regularity, several riders demonstrated it in this race alone as all SX races, as Reed himself demonstrated when he went Petrucci for Tomac, there is your racing for position logic. Reed clearly did this to .... with Dungey. Again, he was NOT racing for position with Dungey, imagine that, he was already a ....... lapper.

You invoked Rossioids, what is your position in the debacle of Sepang? Because most people called Marquez the wuss who couldn't handle manly Rossi. Yet this isn't a similar situation, Reed was a lapper. It would have been if Marquez were racing Rossi after getting lapped by Pedrosa and Lorenzo, that's how clear Reed's .... up is here. Go back to entertaining us with you amusing take about how you're smarter than all the Ducati engineers.

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I notice you feel a need to debate this. Fine.

Firstly, this is an open and shut case. He's a lapper, get out of the ....... way. Barry my fellow Australian is wrong, no Motorsport anywhere, even the local speedway tolerates lappers having a sudden desire to race leaders and get in the way. He copped a penalty and that's a good thing, the fine is joke should be more.

Next an Aussie racer is a .... talking whinger? No .... haven't you noticed a certain trend. Stoner was a happy smiley guy was he? Lets not go down the old bopper I hate his personality road. It's a like it or lump it type of thing. The likes of Gardner to Doohan used to piss me off with 'attitude' thing they seamed to have. Now I've had a change of heart. I ....... love I have a chip on my shoulder Gardner. 1987 gives me goosebumps. He's a friken whinging legend of a man. Im not competing on the world stage, they are. To leave your family and home country no doubt is a daunting experience for a young man, believe it or not it takes courage. Frankly I wouldn't have the guts to try it. So these guys encorporate this us vs them the world is out to get me attitude to compensate for feeling vulnerable. I can't criticise it.

The main part of this issue, the comparison of Reed to Capirossi or Rossi. There's a quite large problem with your arguement. Reed hasn't actually taken a competitor out. Capirossi and Rossi have. So I wave a gun, though we don't have gun rights here so I wave my that's not a knife this is a knife in your face. And then I do jack ..... Are you trying to tell me that is the same as taking out my knife and stabbing you in the guts?

What Reed has done is not even close. He tried to intimidate Stewart in a last gasp showdown for a championship. He waved the gun but didn't pull the trigger. He ran across the track on the gas? Get out of here. We both know to take out a rival in SX the teebone is by far the most adopted dirty move. Running across the track on the gas. My friend, I ask you to take a look a Lorenzo ride Valencia 2013. Marquez has the championship in the bag. Loreanzo's only hope is for Marquez to crash out. Lorenzo never touches him, but he does ride as aggressive as I've seen him in MotoGP and he does try to intimidate him and ultimately he fails but still you even gave him praise for a masterful ride.

Reed has tried to intimidate opponents most obviously Stewart. You think Stewart never tried to intimidate Reed. Ditto Carmicheal. One of the most aggressive riders. If you say no never then sorry friend discussion over.

Reed is not an out an out dirty rider. Pretty much up he gives what he gets. In this case he was dead wrong and should pull his ....... head in he's old but he's not Rossi.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

Salt Lake
Championship over barring Tomac injury.
That was as big of a statement I've seen in professional racing.
What a ride.
Tomac is unstoppable.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

Salt Lake
Championship over barring Tomac injury.
That was as big of a statement I've seen in professional racing.
What a ride.
Tomac is unstoppable.

Like father like son. The kid is so calm off the track and fierce on it. Could be the beginning of the next big thing.

 

[povol]

Salt Lake
Championship over barring Tomac injury.
That was as big of a statement I've seen in professional racing.
What a ride.
Tomac is unstoppable.

The speed he had over the field was Stewartesque. That was impressive.

 

[aaronl]

Epic display of riding. He was totally on another level.

Into t1 he was 3rd last, I have watched everything I can find on it.

 

[aaronl]

Who is going to come near him outdoors?

CO and 7000ft altitude will be the next big thing

 

[L8Braker]

Tomac certianly put on a clinic in Salt Lake City. Wishing Roczen wasn't sidelined, he was the only rider showing that kind of speed before lawn darting himself.

 

[Hollywood]

Good win for Tomac, the championship is his to loose

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

Good win for Tomac, the championship is his to loose

Prophetic words.
I didn't expect that. Rare mistake by Tomac. Because of his poor performance earlier in the year he was forced to be perfect. Im not buying the ........ that the pressure got to him. He just had an unfortunate washout. Everybody has one. If the bike hadn't stalled we would be looking at an opposite outcome. Im surprised that with todays technology they don't put tiny starters in bikes. The added weight could be compensated for.
Championship has flipped and I can't see Dungey losing with a 9 point lead.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

Eli went Mavrick

 

[aaronl]

that was hard to watch. All over the place all night.

Bike sounded really off in the main. But he was out of sync all night.

 

[Hollywood]

that was a very boring track, combined with the absolute worst track conditions of the season, something like this was inevitable.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

that was a very boring track, combined with the absolute worst track conditions of the season, something like this was inevitable.

What else would one expect fm Jersey

 

[Hollywood]

 

[Jumkie]

Prophetic words.
I didn't expect that. Rare mistake by Tomac. Because of his poor performance earlier in the year he was forced to be perfect. Im not buying the ........ that the pressure got to him. He just had an unfortunate washout. Everybody has one. If the bike hadn't stalled we would be looking at an opposite outcome. Im surprised that with todays technology they don't put tiny starters in bikes. The added weight could be compensated for.
Championship has flipped and I can't see Dungey losing with a 9 point lead.

I don't get the rare mistake part, before Tomac's run of wins he wasn't ever consistently contending for the win. I don't know about the pressure thing honestly, I've never been in that position, Carmichael spoke about the weight of the red plate, at first I was like you, sounds like commentator speak to fill space. But when Tomac couldn't pass his teammate, that seemed very odd. He also made another mistake, went off the track and lost all kinds of ground. Did his bike suffer an issue? That would explain it after his wash out. But Tomac didn’t look like the attacking aggressive rider we saw last week. What changed?

Regarding Marvin Moosecan, I don't know if he moved out of way or made mistake, but Ryan was on his ass whilst his mechanic wrote, you need to win! On his pit board. Moot point, but I don't think Marvin pulling out of that rut looked like a conventional conceding of position.

I still think Tomac has a chance. With Chad ISIS on the track, let's face it, bombs may go off.

 

[Jumkie]

Forgot to add, chasing Tomac down for a soundbite as he finished the race was chickenshit by reporter.

 

[Hollywood]

Marvin let him by, he took a line around that corner that he had not taken all day... Dungey has a lot of friends on the track (chad not being one), and I would not be surprised if someone offers him another favor, should he need it in the final.