2011 sx season

Jumkie · Apr 11, 2011

L8Braker said:
Well RV rides another consistent race and stands on the podium. Problem is however, RD (Dungey) is starting to put together some good rides, he's not out of this yet ladies and gentlemen. RV needs to put the hammer down and put tihis championship in doubt for everyone else.

The closer we get to Vegas, the better chances Dungey has because he stays out of the drama. Ryan is disappointing me, maybe because he had such awesome form at the start of the season and now he looks like a top 5 guy. What's this .... about battling with Reed struggling to pass him? I don't like it. Villow is better than that. How many of us expected Ryan and James to battle all season? After that awesome battle at Dodger stadium, I fully expected them to battle for the wins the rest of the season. Instead we have wins by Canard, Dungey, and Reedtard. Which in a way, I don't mind because it made the championship more interesting, but I want to see Ryan and Bubba produce a straight up battle to the finish line. But now, I don't even want that, as it would risk too much and gift another title to Reed.

OK, on another note, how entertaining have the Lites class been this year? Man, that's really provided some great racing. Everybody is going all Rossi on eachother too. Hansen bashing that dude off the track was hilarious.

L8Braker · Apr 11, 2011

Agree Jums....big class is becoming a little less interesting in some respects, but the championship race is heating up. Lites have not been a disappointment, I can't wait till Vegas to see the East/West battle. Right now I think Barcia and Hansen are destined for some drama. Gonna give the edge to the West Coast riders at the moment, seems they have a little more depth of talent.

Villopoto, paging Mr. Vilopoto...please come and retrieve your balls, they're in lost and found! Come on son...hold that ..... wide open till you see that man you've been praising on the podium!

FTE217 · Apr 11, 2011

Jumkie said:
Welcome to the forum. Btw, these SX threads are out reprieve from the .... that appears on other boards around here. So...

Anyway, you bring up a good point, and that is, in SX, the difference between a factory works bike and a very well prepared privateer bike is not that much. You could take Steward and put him on a stock bike and he's be top 5 in my opinion.

F Chad.

Hehe reprieve ?! ok maybe I see a little compared to what I have read in the motogp threads - hey its the dirt its cleaner

by the way thankyou for the welcome ! I hope

Yes i know there isn't much diff between the factory bike to privateer bike, I'm sure Reed wouldn't have gone it alone without factory support in the background....just stirring the pot for the lone much loved Aussie

Anyway going to be a good fight with the current Top 4 ! agree lites has been good to watch compared to previous years.

L8Braker · Apr 12, 2011

FTE217, welcome to the SX thread. As far as differences on factory and consumer available bikes goes at the SX level, the biggest advantage is suspension. 450's have way more power than needed for SX, the factory advantage really comes into play at the Outdoor nationals. With that, Chad has more than enough experience to make up for some of the short comings of the consumer bike, but I honestly think Honda has thrown some bits his way during the SX season.

JohnnyKnockdown · Apr 12, 2011

Why do you think RV is not pressing for wins? I almost think he's trying to stay in the points until Vegas and then ride the race he needs to. I don't think its a good strategy. He should be able to beat Reed or Dungey straight up but those two are also capable of putting in a flawless race and checking out.

I know he's trying not to repeat last years mistake of riding over his head and ending the season early but at what point does the racer in him say no more. Its time to fight for this title.

Jumkie · Apr 12, 2011

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Why do you think RV is not pressing for wins? I almost think he's trying to stay in the points until Vegas and then ride the race he needs to. I don't think its a good strategy. He should be able to beat Reed or Dungey straight up but those two are also capable of putting in a flawless race and checking out.

I know he's trying not to repeat last years mistake of riding over his head and ending the season early but at what point does the racer in him say no more. Its time to fight for this title.

From his podium interviews, I think he is happy to come third and forth while staying out of the drama. He justifies it in saying, he's riding "smart". If he wins the title, he will be right. I just hope being too conservative won't see the title slip away in the event he has a terrible weekend from here on.

L8Braker · Apr 12, 2011

Good points. RV could be doing threat assesment as he riaces, but I can't help but think that Dungey in front of him this past weekend should have put him in assertive mode. Dungey is gaining confidence and a confident Dungey isn't to be taken lightly. Let's see how RV handles his home round, I think he will be motivated to light it up for his homies.

Mental Anarchist · Apr 12, 2011

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Why do you think RV is not pressing for wins? I almost think he's trying to stay in the points until Vegas and then ride the race he needs to. I don't think its a good strategy. He should be able to beat Reed or Dungey straight up but those two are also capable of putting in a flawless race and checking out.

I know he's trying not to repeat last years mistake of riding over his head and ending the season early but at what point does the racer in him say no more. Its time to fight for this title.

Agree

Jumkie said:
From his podium interviews, I think he is happy to come third and forth while staying out of the drama. He justifies it in saying, he's riding "smart". If he wins the title, he will be right. I just hope being too conservative won't see the title slip away in the event he has a terrible weekend from here on.

Agree

I have a sneaking suspicion that RV is carrying an injury and has not let it out into the public arena. I think SX has proved that you need to be there or there abouts at the end of the season. If he just needs to beat Reed and Dungy for the title he will do it. If he allows Stewart back into the game then that is a riskier strategy than over riding in my opinion.

frosty58 · Apr 12, 2011

L8Braker said:
Agree Jums....big class is becoming a little less interesting in some respects, but the championship race is heating up. Lites have not been a disappointment, I can't wait till Vegas to see the East/West battle. Right now I think Barcia and Hansen are destined for some drama. Gonna give the edge to the West Coast riders at the moment, seems they have a little more depth of talent.

Villopoto, paging Mr. Vilopoto...please come and retrieve your balls, they're in lost and found! Come on son...hold that ..... wide open till you see that man you've been praising on the podium!

well you've gone & done it L8.... i get on here once in a while to try & catch up without having to post & then i had to read this.... no way! the west can't hold a candle to east this year. barcia, wilson, baggett, sipes who should be ouit of the lites by now, wharton.... i'd place hansen, who clearly is the class of the field in the west, in between sipes & wharton. tomac & roczen not quite there yet close but not yet..... the east has the depth.

JohnnyKnockdown · Apr 12, 2011

SX vs Moto gp points system.

Here are the results if SX had the moto gp points system

SX ------------------ MotoGp

RV 275 --------------- 221

RD 270---------------- 209

CR 267 --------------- 206

JS 259----------------- 203

TC 255 ----------------189

While I dont like how SX doesnt reward you much for wins it does seem to work in creating a tighter points race deep into the season

L8Braker · Apr 13, 2011

frosty58 said:
well you've gone & done it L8.... i get on here once in a while to try & catch up without having to post & then i had to read this.... no way! the west can't hold a candle to east this year. barcia, wilson, baggett, sipes who should be ouit of the lites by now, wharton.... i'd place hansen, who clearly is the class of the field in the west, in between sipes & wharton. tomac & roczen not quite there yet close but not yet..... the east has the depth.

Frost...

I thought Jumkie would have jumped on that...but I got a fellow East Coaster up in arms...no worries. Below are what I consider the quality riders in both regions, and yes, my boy Wharton is not on there (I haven't had my talk with him yet).

West:

Hansen, Tickle, Tomac, Morais, Seely, Roczen

East:

Barcia, Wilson, Sipes, Baggett

In the West, Hansen has sort of skewed everyone into thinking he dominates, but Tickle and Tomac have came on strong in the later rounds and I think they can compete and beat Hansen. Not to mention you have Seely and Roczen really knocking on the door as well.

In the East, it was only Barcia and Wilson, but with the resurgence of Sipes, they can go three deep, after that I don't think there are any other head toppers.

Again, this is only my opinion and what I have seen thusfar this year. I will say this though, if we get all of the guys mentioned above healthy at the start of the Outdoor series, holy .... boys and girls...hold on to your seat, the lites class will again be more interesting than the big boys.

Alight, let me hear it, what's everyone thinking?

L8Braker · Apr 13, 2011

JohnnyKnockdown said:
SX vs Moto gp points system.

Here are the results if SX had the moto gp points system

SX ------------------ MotoGp

RV 275 --------------- 221

RD 270---------------- 209

CR 267 --------------- 206

JS 259----------------- 203

TC 255 ----------------189

While I dont like how SX doesnt reward you much for wins it does seem to work in creating a tighter points race deep into the season

Good comparison JK...very interesting. RV's strategy would be working perfectly in MotoGP.

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 13, 2011

L8Braker said:
Frost...

I thought Jumkie would have jumped on that...but I got a fellow East Coaster up in arms...no worries. Below are what I consider the quality riders in both regions, and yes, my boy Wharton is not on there (I haven't had my talk with him yet).

West:

Hansen, Tickle, Tomac, Morais, Seely, Roczen

East:

Barcia, Wilson, Sipes, Baggett

In the West, Hansen has sort of skewed everyone into thinking he dominates, but Tickle and Tomac have came on strong in the later rounds and I think they can compete and beat Hansen. Not to mention you have Seely and Roczen really knocking on the door as well.

In the East, it was only Barcia and Wilson, but with the resurgence of Sipes, they can go three deep, after that I don't think there are any other head toppers.

Again, this is only my opinion and what I have seen thusfar this year. I will say this though, if we get all of the guys mentioned above healthy at the start of the Outdoor series, holy .... boys and girls...hold on to your seat, the lites class will again be more interesting than the big boys.

Alight, let me hear it, what's everyone thinking?

I have to disagree I think the east riders are better also. Barcia and Wharton doing it while injured. Sipes is consistently as fast as the big bikes in practice, and Wilson. Please dont hold Malcolm Stewart against them.

Jumkie · Apr 13, 2011

L8Braker said:
Frost...

I thought Jumkie would have jumped on that...but I got a fellow East Coaster up in arms...

Alight, let me hear it, what's everyone thinking?

Well, I absolutely did think you were wrong on giving the nod to the west riders in terms of depth, but I do think a west coast rider will win at Vegas. Anybody want to put money on it? Btw, my energy is tied up making Rob look stupid that I hardly have time to mildly disagree on SX threads. So, no, I think east coast has the depth while west coast has the best rider. In Vegas the podium will look like this, west rider followed by two east riders.

Its basically Hansen (west) vs Barcia, Wilson, Sipes, & Baggett (Wharton is an after thought) (east). Tomac, Tickle, and Morais (west) will bother Sipes & Baggett (east).

BTW, Brayton is out of Seattle. LINK

MdubSTYLIE said:
I have to disagree I think the east riders are better also. Barcia and Wharton doing it while injured. Sipes is consistently as fast as the big bikes in practice, and Wilson. Please dont hold Malcolm Stewart against them.

Uhm, I think that's what L8 was saying. So you actually "agree" with him.

Jumkie · Apr 13, 2011

JohnnyKnockdown said:
SX vs Moto gp points system.

Here are the results if SX had the moto gp points system

SX ------------------ MotoGp

RV 275 --------------- 221

RD 270---------------- 209

CR 267 --------------- 206

JS 259----------------- 203

TC 255 ----------------189

While I dont like how SX doesnt reward you much for wins it does seem to work in creating a tighter points race deep into the season

Thanks for taking the time to do this. I think even though it does provide a tighter championship, it also provides the opportunity for championship by attrition. That is, if you have an injury or bad weekend, you're ....... GP lets you have one or two DNFs and not completely take you out of the standings. In a sport where injuries are just lurking around every corner or jump, in practice or race, combined with a breakneck schedule of races every weekend, the fastest rider, and a bottom feeder in terms of tactics and talent like Reed, are kept in the hunt.

.... Chad (I no longer say .... "Reed" in respect to MentalAnarchist)

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 13, 2011

L8Braker said:
Agree Jums....big class is becoming a little less interesting in some respects, but the championship race is heating up. Lites have not been a disappointment, I can't wait till Vegas to see the East/West battle. Right now I think Barcia and Hansen are destined for some drama. Gonna give the edge to the West Coast riders at the moment, seems they have a little more depth of talent.

Villopoto, paging Mr. Vilopoto...please come and retrieve your balls, they're in lost and found! Come on son...hold that ..... wide open till you see that man you've been praising on the podium!

I know I hit my head Jumkie but I think I am reading this correct. There is some good talent in both east and west for sure.

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 14, 2011

Canard out broken femur. Racer X I guess my friend can stop putting embroidering his kits.

L8breaker might know the guy, they get down by Styleman.

L8Braker · Apr 14, 2011

Bummed about Canard, but at least he could be back for Hangtown so he won't loose the entire outdoor season....but again, this just makes the 450 class a little less interesting IMO.

So no one, not even California Boy Jum's agrees the West Coast has more depth. No love for Tickle and Tomac.

I agree that Hansen and Barcia will most likely mix it up for the top spot but they might end up taking each other out. We could base their qualifying times on who's the best? I hate to do that to you guys though because Barcia is never the fastest qualifier, so I guess we will just have to base it on finishing order. When Vegas gets a little closer I'll throw out my prediction.

L8Braker · Apr 14, 2011

MdubSTYLIE said:
Canard out broken femur. Racer X I guess my friend can stop putting embroidering his kits.

L8breaker might know the guy, they get down by Styleman.

man, I haven't seen a BMX track this year, not even sure my son is throwing a leg back over his bike so that might free me up in July. If this new project at work doesn't interfere, I may be drinking with you boys at Guna in July.

Jumkie · Apr 14, 2011

L8Braker said:
man, I haven't seen a BMX track this year, not even sure my son is throwing a leg back over his bike so that might free me up in July. If this new project at work doesn't interfere, I may be drinking with you boys at Guna in July.

It not nice to tease.

L8, how much you want to ante up westcoast rider will win at Vegas?

About Canard. This is bad. It means one less guy Reed has to deal with, less space between chad and ryan.

.... Chad.

2011 sx season

Help Support MotoGP Forum:

Jumkie

L8Braker

FTE217

L8Braker

JohnnyKnockdown

Jumkie

L8Braker

Mental Anarchist

frosty58

JohnnyKnockdown

L8Braker

L8Braker

MdubSTYLIE

Jumkie

Jumkie

MdubSTYLIE

MdubSTYLIE

L8Braker

L8Braker

Jumkie

Similar threads

Recent Discussions

Recent Discussions