This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

2010 second part: the "Mundialito"

J4rn0 said:
You are always short of ideas, but when you have one it is usually wrong
<


2008 was a really tough duel, it's only natural that riding pretty much alone, 2 years later, a rider like Lorenzo can achieve a faster race time. As it is natural that Rossi, in his physical condition, might be 3 seconds slower than 2008.

Even if you are called machine I am surprised at the way you can apply your obtuse bias so mechanically.
<




P.S. -- Stoner: I am not suprised that he can pull some really fast laps any time. But it is so evident that he is not pushing all the way... One fast lap does not mean a fast race: again, wrong idea.
<
Click to expand...





Well throw up something rather than conjecture, idom and diatribe and you may have a point.



Otherwise, I used facts and figures. You may not like it but rather than religious fervour, its the best we have.



Since you throw up such tripe/hogwash based purely on conjecture, I can't see how you can say I'm wrong
<




Another fact I use in my arguments case is that Talpa seems to be agreeing with you ........ touche'!!
<
<
<
 
Frizzle said:
What an absolute load of tripe.

I watched an interview with Vitto Guareschi the current team manager at Ducati & he said he was very sad that Stoner would not be at Ducati next year.

He said he will always consider him a great friend & hopes one day he will return to Ducati.

Oh and if you think Yamaha don't want Vale to sign on the dotted line for them you are crazy.

Yes they may be resigned to the fact they are losing him, but it's not the way they hoped it would turn out by any stretch of the imagination.

Stop with the crap, you have absolutely no idea what is going on inside those teams so you decided you would make it up instead.

One of them on the basis of one picture. Unbelievable.
Click to expand...



Well, forgive me if i didn't ask you any permission for writing my thoughts.

did i say Yamaha dont want to have Vale for next year? or are you beginning with your crap now?
 
rossiofsky said:
Well, forgive me if i didn't ask you any permission for writing my thoughts.

did i say Yamaha dont want to have Vale for next year? or are you beginning with your crap now?
Click to expand...



What I'm saying is there doesn't have to be bad feelings just because a rider changes teams.
 
Frizzle said:
What I'm saying is there doesn't have to be bad feelings just because a rider changes teams.
Click to expand...

It sounds to me like stoner's deal with honda was done at the end of last season after ducati openly pursued lorenzo and the marlboro man disapproved of stoner publicly; there were certainly rumours in australia at the time, and the development direction of ducati and possibly honda as well this year also suggests this. I am sure they are grateful for his efforts in 2007, but it now suits them for him to go, and it also suits casey; even his greatest supporters will acknowledge he is "prickly" as someone put it and I imagine he is unlikely to have forgiven marlboro man's slighting of him. That said, if rossi is available I think ducati take him under almost any circumstances, and stoner is not currently the 2-time defending champion.
 
michaelm said:
It sounds to me like stoner's deal with honda was done at the end of last season after ducati openly pursued lorenzo and the marlboro man disapproved of stoner publicly; there were certainly rumours in australia at the time, and the development direction of ducati and possibly honda as well this year also suggests this. I am sure they are grateful for his efforts in 2007, but it now suits them for him to go, and it also suits casey; even his greatest supporters will acknowledge he is "prickly" as someone put it and I imagine he is unlikely to have forgiven marlboro man's slighting of him. That said, if rossi is available I think ducati take him under almost any circumstances, and stoner is not currently the 2-time defending champion.
Click to expand...





Did you see Vito Guareschi's interview on the pre race show on OneHD before the Sachsenring race?

He was genuinely disappointed that he wasn't going to be racing for them next year, and also that he will always consider him a close friend and hopes he will return one day to Ducati.
 
Frizzle said:
Did you see Vito Guareschi's interview on the pre race show on OneHD before the Sachsenring race?

He was genuinely disappointed that he wasn't going to be racing for them next year, and also that he will always consider him a close friend and hopes he will return one day to Ducati.
Click to expand...

I don't disagree that there is very likely a lot of good will on both sides, regarding casey and ducati at least, if not necessarily marlboro. Casey may not even have minded being valentino's team-mate. I do think he genuinely wants a new start and sees better prospects at honda with the current ducati appearing not to suit him anyway; there was also some body of opinion at the time that exhaustion with constantly battling the thing may have contributed to his health problems last year. Valentino's early testing may be illuminating from this point of view.



Personally as both a stoner fan and a ducati fan I hope he wins mutiple world championships with honda then does come back to ducati. If the choice for ducati was either stoner or rossi I have to admit picking rossi at this point in time is hardly unreasonable though.
 
michaelm said:
I knew he was loris's manager, who else does he manage?

.....
Click to expand...





Actually, Pernat is also Simoncelli's manager now that I think of it.

Plus several others more or less unknown, -- I can never remember all the names.

He's also been young Rossi's manager, btw.
 
Valentino Rossi barred from riding new Yamaha



By Matthew Birt - MotoGP 06 August 2010 15:10





Yamaha will ban Valentino Rossi from riding its 2011 prototype machine in Brno later this month.

Rossi’s multi-million pound switch to Ducati will be confirmed immediately after the Czech Republic Grand Prix on August 15.

And as a result, the Italian will be barred from testing an early development YZR-M1 for next year on the Monday after the Brno clash.

His crew, led by Australian Jerry Burgess, will also be banned from working on the new bike and will not be privy to any technical details about the upgraded factory YZR-M1.



Rossi’s Ducati deal, exclusively revealed by MCN at the end of June, will see him depart with his crew in hot pursuit.

Yamaha boss Lin Jarvis told MCN, said: “It is pretty obvious if there is at any stage a test of a 2011 prototype it will be with a rider that will be with us in 2011.”



Jarvis conveyed an air of resignation about Rossi’s departure, which had seemed unthinkable just two months ago when he declared his desire to finish his career with the Japanese factory.



Jarvis said: “Brno is the kind of timing we are comfortable with. We originally said we wanted to have clarity with our future plans by the summer break but that has not quite worked out. You have your own contacts within this world but from my position I can’t say anything until Brno.”



Ducati is still awaiting permission from Yamaha for Rossi to make his Bologna factory debut immediately after the final race in Valencia. It is traditional for teams to release departing riders early from their contracts to begin testing for a rival squad before their contracts have expired. Most contracts end on December 31, but most riders are released immediately after the final race.



One notable exception was when Rossi quit Honda at the end of 2003. HRC refused to release him early to test for Yamaha.

Ducati boss Alessandro Cicognani said: “We would like to work out a solution with Yamaha if a situation arises like this. The relationship between Valentino and Honda was very bad at the end. Now he has been with together with Yamaha for a long time in what has been a victorious wedding. I think it is acceptable that Yamaha would release Valentino given what he’s given them in the last seven years.”

Ducati has already approved Casey Stoner’s release to test for Honda at the Valencia test in early November.

Jarvis added: “I think it is far too early to talk about that.”
 
J4rn0 said:
Valentino Rossi barred from riding new Yamaha



By Matthew Birt - MotoGP 06 August 2010 15:10





Yamaha will ban Valentino Rossi from riding its 2011 prototype machine in Brno later this month.

Rossi’s multi-million pound switch to Ducati will be confirmed immediately after the Czech Republic Grand Prix on August 15.

And as a result, the Italian will be barred from testing an early development YZR-M1 for next year on the Monday after the Brno clash.

His crew, led by Australian Jerry Burgess, will also be banned from working on the new bike and will not be privy to any technical details about the upgraded factory YZR-M1.



Rossi’s Ducati deal, exclusively revealed by MCN at the end of June, will see him depart with his crew in hot pursuit.

Yamaha boss Lin Jarvis told MCN, said: “It is pretty obvious if there is at any stage a test of a 2011 prototype it will be with a rider that will be with us in 2011.”



Jarvis conveyed an air of resignation about Rossi’s departure, which had seemed unthinkable just two months ago when he declared his desire to finish his career with the Japanese factory.



Jarvis said: “Brno is the kind of timing we are comfortable with. We originally said we wanted to have clarity with our future plans by the summer break but that has not quite worked out. You have your own contacts within this world but from my position I can’t say anything until Brno.”



Ducati is still awaiting permission from Yamaha for Rossi to make his Bologna factory debut immediately after the final race in Valencia. It is traditional for teams to release departing riders early from their contracts to begin testing for a rival squad before their contracts have expired. Most contracts end on December 31, but most riders are released immediately after the final race.



One notable exception was when Rossi quit Honda at the end of 2003. HRC refused to release him early to test for Yamaha.

Ducati boss Alessandro Cicognani said: “We would like to work out a solution with Yamaha if a situation arises like this. The relationship between Valentino and Honda was very bad at the end. Now he has been with together with Yamaha for a long time in what has been a victorious wedding. I think it is acceptable that Yamaha would release Valentino given what he’s given them in the last seven years.”

Ducati has already approved Casey Stoner’s release to test for Honda at the Valencia test in early November.

Jarvis added: “I think it is far too early to talk about that.”
Click to expand...



Interesting - but not really controversial. No reason why Rossi should have a sneak peek at next year's Yamaha and no real motivation on his part to develop it. The part about Burgess not being able to touch the bike - is the most interesting thing, as it appears to confirm his departure from Yamaha - the only thing we all were not certain of. Whether he goes to Ducati remains to be seen.
 
Keshav said:
Interesting - but not really controversial. No reason why Rossi should have a sneak peek at next year's Yamaha and no real motivation on his part to develop it. The part about Burgess not being able to touch the bike - is the most interesting thing, as it appears to confirm his departure from Yamaha - the only thing we all were not certain of. Whether he goes to Ducati remains to be seen.
Click to expand...



Exactly -- the Burgess part is the real news here, it seems he's leaving Yamaha as well
<


I wonder what kind of contract is Lorenzo extracting from the Yamaha brass -- they have even less choice now
<
 
Wondering if Spies will get a chance to test the 2012 bike after Brno. We're all assuming this is the logical move.

If so - it would take away time and energy the Tech 3 would want spent on their effort. Seems like Spies is being

fast-forwarded like a mo-fo. He seems to hold up well under pressure - so it will be interesting to see his upcoming

interviews when it's all official. Haven't seen any new OTT interviews with Ben lately. His plate must be pretty full

right about now.
 
J4rn0 said:
Exactly -- the Burgess part is the real news here, it seems he's leaving Yamaha as well
<


I wonder what kind of contract is Lorenzo extracting from the Yamaha brass -- they have even less choice now
<
Click to expand...

I begin to think yamaha are now a little peeved, perhaps with the ducati guy jumping the gun; they could easily have left this until the brno announcement (concerning the nature of which there now appears to be no remaining doubt), which presumably will be after the race and prior to testing. It has been argued that the drawn-out nature of all this was to comply with yamaha's notions of propriety, although as has also been said there may be contractual limitations on announcements regarding valentino.



I agree with the implication re burgess, and now think it is more likely he is going with rossi rather than retiring, as presumably his input into the development of the 2011 ducati would be valuable and his professionalism has never been in much question that I can recall.



I also wonder about the long-term implications for valentino, and to some extent jb, who have looked like retiring as yamaha icons (jb obviously on a lesser scale) up till now. I guess valentino will be bigger than the sport to an even larger degree if (I wouldn't necessarily dispute with those who would say when) he wins championships for ducati.
 
I think it is great for Motogp. It was pretty boring watching Lorenzo and Rossi finish 1-2 on the Yamahas every race as seemed to be the norm before Rossi's crash. Pedrosa has sporadically made it interesting when his stars have aligned. Now maybe we'll see the revival of the Duke - I am a fan of the old Duke having owned a 996sps - hence my username.



Of course the Duke could still turn out to be a bucket of crap as well.
 
Keshav said:
Wondering if Spies will get a chance to test the 2012 bike after Brno. We're all assuming this is the logical move.

If so - it would take away time and energy the Tech 3 would want spent on their effort. Seems like Spies is being

fast-forwarded like a mo-fo. He seems to hold up well under pressure - so it will be interesting to see his upcoming

interviews when it's all official. Haven't seen any new OTT interviews with Ben lately. His plate must be pretty full

right about now.
Click to expand...



Yes -- Spies is the other interesting side of these news. I do not know if he will be allowed to test the factory Yamaha before Valencia. I Expect Lorenzo to command complete priority in that area, and surely he must be inserting ad-hoc clauses in his new multi-million contract, now that he's holding Yamaha's balls so firmly. He's finally #1, and he is not going to advocate "same treatment" with his teammate, for sure
<




Good luck to Ben. And to Yamaha. They are going to find out soon that Lorenzo as a first rider is as self-assertive as Valentino, or more, minus the endearing public image.
<
 
J4rn0 said:
Yes -- Spies is the other interesting side of these news. I do not know if he will be allowed to test the factory Yamaha before Valencia. I Expect Lorenzo to command complete priority in that area, and surely he must be inserting ad-hoc clauses in his new multi-million contract, now that he's holding Yamaha's balls so firmly. He's finally #1, and he is not going to advocate "same treatment" with his teammate, for sure
<




Good luck to Ben. And to Yamaha. They are going to find out soon that Lorenzo as a first rider is as self-assertive as Valentino, or more, minus the endearing public image.
<
Click to expand...





You've got to say that Lorenzo's career is probably turning out even better than he thought at the moment. Do you think he would have thought a couple of years ago that he'd be the one to push Valentino off his own world championship winning bike?
 
woody996 said:
You've got to say that Lorenzo's career is probably turning out even better than he thought at the moment. Do you think he would have thought a couple of years ago that he'd be the one to push Valentino off his own world championship winning bike?
Click to expand...

He is in pretty much the same position as alex criville in 1999, except valentino unlike mick doohan is not retiring but rather going to develop a bike for a rival. Is jorge better than alex? Sure, but although it pains me to say so valentino is probably better than mick, and jorge unlike either of them but like alex has not as yet demonstrated he can develop a new bike.
 
michaelm said:
He is in pretty much the same position as alex criville in 1999, except valentino unlike mick doohan is not retiring but rather going to develop a bike for a rival. Is jorge better than alex? Sure, but although it pains me to say so valentino is probably better than mick, and jorge unlike either of them but like alex has not as yet demonstrated he can develop a new bike.
Click to expand...

"Probably better than Mick" is speculation.
<
MD was, to me, the greatest rider on a 2 stroke 500. Rossi, probably the greatest on all forms of motorcycle in the modern era.
 
J4rn0 said:
Yes -- Spies is the other interesting side of these news. I do not know if he will be allowed to test the factory Yamaha before Valencia. I Expect Lorenzo to command complete priority in that area, and surely he must be inserting ad-hoc clauses in his new multi-million contract, now that he's holding Yamaha's balls so firmly. He's finally #1, and he is not going to advocate "same treatment" with his teammate, for sure
<




Good luck to Ben. And to Yamaha. They are going to find out soon that Lorenzo as a first rider is as self-assertive as Valentino, or more, minus the endearing public image.
<
Click to expand...



Agree... I expect Lorenzo's ego will by the end of the season be inflated beyond reckoning.

Lets hope the maturation he's demonstrated thus far, will temper all that.
 

Similar threads

#22
David Emmet: A peek into the soul of Marc Marquez
Replies
20
Views
2K
#22
#22
M
Yamaha and Kawasaki to withdraw from World Superbike?
Replies
5
Views
1K
mylexicon
M
M
HSBK Ducati's Troubling Off-Track Antics
Replies
1
Views
435
Bern1
B
P
Things, feelings, points about 2020.
Replies
25
Views
7K
warthog1
warthog1
P
Random Thoughts for 2020
Replies
26
Views
6K
michaelm
M

Recent Discussions