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For me the biggest name that comes to mind is Sete Gibernau. Gibbers rode 250s for a little while before becoming a replacement rider at Repsol Honda (or so I understand). He then rode for a season or two with Honda before getting the boot and going to Suzuki. He continued his lackluster results but brought title sponsorship to the team. After further lackluster results on the Suzuki he brought his valuable Movistar money to Honda where he received a satellite ride and inheirted the factory ride after Kato's passing and then achieved all his success. This season marked the end of his run of luck and I forsee a similar struggle as 2005 for Gibernau in 2006 and until he retires.
Gibernau was good in his last season with Suzuki, he even scored a win with a bike that even Kr Jr couldn´t, if that´s mediocre, then I guess Hayden worse than mediocre because he´s got the same nº of wins (1) but on the best bike of the grid.
And Hopkins, we´ll doesn´t even have a podium.
Then there´s Checa who got 2 wins in 1996 and he´s been living on that since then, being thrashed by all his teammates since.
Then there´s Stoner who can´t finish 3 races in a row without crashing.
Tamada who´s been the worst Honda rider of all this year.
Then there´s Hoffman, well I guess nobody rates him, so he´s not overrated.
And Hopkins, we´ll doesn´t even have a podium.
Then there´s Checa who got 2 wins in 1996 and he´s been living on that since then, being thrashed by all his teammates since.
Then there´s Stoner who can´t finish 3 races in a row without crashing.
Tamada who´s been the worst Honda rider of all this year.
Then there´s Hoffman, well I guess nobody rates him, so he´s not overrated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Dec 16 2005, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi is overated. compared with todays riders he's not but compared to others i think he is.....reactions please!
It`s got something to it,in that he didn`t have to tame the whiplash powerband 2 strokes for season after season ala Doohan,Schwantz,Criville etc.But I do beileive that if they were still on the strokers then he would still be dominant anyhow.
It`s got something to it,in that he didn`t have to tame the whiplash powerband 2 strokes for season after season ala Doohan,Schwantz,Criville etc.But I do beileive that if they were still on the strokers then he would still be dominant anyhow.
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My mistake, Gibernau started with Rainey Yamaha as a replacement rider and then took 13th in points after his first whole season before signing for Repsol Honda where he placed 11th and 5th before joining Suzuki in 2001 to take 9th and his first win at Valencia.
Who the hell is that anyway, Teo?
CV's good, but he aint that good. He could have walked away with the '06 SBK title and scored a ride on a brand new Honda 800 in 2007. I think this suzuki thing is a step backwards.
Now he is overrated, because even if he does well, his bike won't deliver. I like CV (Being Aussie and all) but I think he'll struggle to beat Hopper next year. He couldn't even beat him at Phillip Island on an RCV.
Then again, he didn't get much practice
CV's good, but he aint that good. He could have walked away with the '06 SBK title and scored a ride on a brand new Honda 800 in 2007. I think this suzuki thing is a step backwards.
Now he is overrated, because even if he does well, his bike won't deliver. I like CV (Being Aussie and all) but I think he'll struggle to beat Hopper next year. He couldn't even beat him at Phillip Island on an RCV.
Then again, he didn't get much practice
richo, do you mean who carl fogarty(foggy) is??he was the superbike world champion in 1994, 1995, 1998 and 1999 I believe it was. he crashed in australia in 2000, and he retired soon after that racingaccident. he now has a racing team himself, Foggy petronas racing team. I can remember seeing him crash, I was watching it with my dad, looked realy nasty
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Dec 18 2005, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who the hell is that anyway, Teo?
CV's good, but he aint that good. He could have walked away with the '06 SBK title and scored a ride on a brand new Honda 800 in 2007. I think this suzuki thing is a step backwards.
Now he is overrated, because even if he does well, his bike won't deliver. I like CV (Being Aussie and all) but I think he'll struggle to beat Hopper next year. He couldn't even beat him at Phillip Island on an RCV.
Then again, he didn't get much practice
CV isn`t doing himself any harm being where he is,basically he`s gaining experience in a gentle way and given time the results will follow assuming he moves on to a Honda etc.Come the 800cc season Suzuki may pull off a major feat and surprise all of us.
CV's good, but he aint that good. He could have walked away with the '06 SBK title and scored a ride on a brand new Honda 800 in 2007. I think this suzuki thing is a step backwards.
Now he is overrated, because even if he does well, his bike won't deliver. I like CV (Being Aussie and all) but I think he'll struggle to beat Hopper next year. He couldn't even beat him at Phillip Island on an RCV.
Then again, he didn't get much practice
CV isn`t doing himself any harm being where he is,basically he`s gaining experience in a gentle way and given time the results will follow assuming he moves on to a Honda etc.Come the 800cc season Suzuki may pull off a major feat and surprise all of us.
What about the "You should never leave Honda" bit?
In all honesty, I think 800s will be 990s all over again. Rich as Honda will build a dominant bike, and everyone else will try to keep up. I hope it dosen't happen, I'd like to see Suzuki win again, or Kawa or Duke come out on top, but I think Honda are ruining the premier class with their monstrous budget. Other manufacturers cant afford it. Yamaha are only winning because of Rossi.
We should start a topic to discuss the 800cc rule.
In all honesty, I think 800s will be 990s all over again. Rich as Honda will build a dominant bike, and everyone else will try to keep up. I hope it dosen't happen, I'd like to see Suzuki win again, or Kawa or Duke come out on top, but I think Honda are ruining the premier class with their monstrous budget. Other manufacturers cant afford it. Yamaha are only winning because of Rossi.
We should start a topic to discuss the 800cc rule.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Dec 18 2005, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Honda are ruining the premier class with their monstrous budget. Other manufacturers cant afford it. Yamaha are only winning because of Rossi.
richo i don't think honda are running the class.let's be fair here, only ducati, as a manufactuer, & the private teams, roberts, wcm are really straped for cash. the japanese co. are not small or poor. khi is a hell of alot bigger & richer than honda. yamaha & suzuki are'nt exactly small or poor either. these companies choose how to run the teams & budgets. i think it's actualy the way the yammi,suzi,& kawa teams are run is why they do poorly. the teams are run by souless bean counters who could give a .... about racing. they would be better served to set up companies deticated to racing. like hrc & ducati corse. don't blame honda cause they want to win. ducati are the perfect example of how a race team should be run...with passion! they regularly spank suzi, kawa & until rossi yama. with a hell of a lot less money. it's time everyone quit blaming honda for making outstandind bikes & winning.
richo i don't think honda are running the class.let's be fair here, only ducati, as a manufactuer, & the private teams, roberts, wcm are really straped for cash. the japanese co. are not small or poor. khi is a hell of alot bigger & richer than honda. yamaha & suzuki are'nt exactly small or poor either. these companies choose how to run the teams & budgets. i think it's actualy the way the yammi,suzi,& kawa teams are run is why they do poorly. the teams are run by souless bean counters who could give a .... about racing. they would be better served to set up companies deticated to racing. like hrc & ducati corse. don't blame honda cause they want to win. ducati are the perfect example of how a race team should be run...with passion! they regularly spank suzi, kawa & until rossi yama. with a hell of a lot less money. it's time everyone quit blaming honda for making outstandind bikes & winning.
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No Way Frosty my boy.
Hayden is with out doubt the most over rated. 3 years top machinery 1 win oh please.
Hopper would be next.
Don't see how you can say Sete, he's the only guy who can consistantly foot it with Rossi, He's had a shocker this year, but way ahead of Hayden and co
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No Way Frosty my boy.
Hayden is with out doubt the most over rated. 3 years top machinery 1 win oh please.
Hopper would be next.
Don't see how you can say Sete, he's the only guy who can consistantly foot it with Rossi, He's had a shocker this year, but way ahead of Hayden and co
ah marbs... the boy king is def overated. 1st'ly he's way overrated when it comes to his supposed 2 wheel prowess. whatever line of 4 wheel competition he chooses after bikes, he'll strugle mightely to live up to the expectations. he'll be an also ran, exactly what he subjects all his oposition @ in 2 wheels. and as far as i'm concerned if u compare him to the likes of the other greats rainy,doohan,schwantz, lawson,ago,sheene, roberts, hailwood ect. he's no better. put all these guy's when they where in thier prime on the track with rossi he would not be champion..... but like i said with todays competition he's def not overated.
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Well, I didnt come to GP's till 2000, so I cant really comment/compare Rossi to past GP champs................but I cant really see Frosty how you can say he is over rated!!
I mean we have witnessed (witnessing) a true era in motorbike racing, Rossi is a pure talent and is a class above ALL current riders in the class.
I know we've had the debate before, Rossi VS Old Skool.....................but we are talking current now..........and Rossi's rating is very justified imo
I know we've had the debate before, Rossi VS Old Skool.....................but we are talking current now..........and Rossi's rating is very justified imo
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Dec 18 2005, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, I didnt come to GP's till 2000, so I cant really comment/compare Rossi to past GP champs................but I cant really see Frosty how you can say he is over rated!!
I mean we have witnessed (witnessing) a true era in motorbike racing, Rossi is a pure talent and is a class above ALL current riders in the class.
I know we've had the debate before, Rossi VS Old Skool.....................but we are talking current now..........and Rossi's rating is very justified imo
ben ben ben... just blowin smoke up everyones shorts
just talkin .... ya know
as far as old school vs rossi...well theres no way we'll ever know i know the endless debate that will never end.
I know we've had the debate before, Rossi VS Old Skool.....................but we are talking current now..........and Rossi's rating is very justified imo
ben ben ben... just blowin smoke up everyones shorts
as far as old school vs rossi...well theres no way we'll ever know i know the endless debate that will never end.
It´s difficult to compare, but I think Rossi is on track to being the greatest, if he can win the next 2 or 3 championships I will have no doubt, right now I cannot say Rossi is better than Rainey, Doohan, Ago, Hailwood or Nieto, statistically he is 3rd best, behind Ago (15 times champ 122 wins) and Nieto (13 times champ 80 wins).
Though statistics can be misleading because some of Ago´s titles were won when MV was the only manufacturer in 500cc, the only opposition were private teams.
Others consider Nieto´s achievements (I don´t) not that important because he only raced in small categories.
And others consider Rainey´s titles more valuable because of the opposition he faced (Schwantz, Doohan, Gardner ...)
Though statistics can be misleading because some of Ago´s titles were won when MV was the only manufacturer in 500cc, the only opposition were private teams.
Others consider Nieto´s achievements (I don´t) not that important because he only raced in small categories.
And others consider Rainey´s titles more valuable because of the opposition he faced (Schwantz, Doohan, Gardner ...)
Yeah, you can't really compare statistics, especially considering Rossi's career isn't over yet. It's really a waste of time trying to compare riders from different eras. You'll never know who's better.
But I don't think Rossi's overrated. Half of Rossi's fame comes from his wit and sense of humour. That's why he seems to be so hyped up, even compared to other riders of his calibre in the past. Other champions just raced and won, end of story. But as we all know, the Doc is quite a character to boot.
But I don't think Rossi's overrated. Half of Rossi's fame comes from his wit and sense of humour. That's why he seems to be so hyped up, even compared to other riders of his calibre in the past. Other champions just raced and won, end of story. But as we all know, the Doc is quite a character to boot.
