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Who will challenge Marquez in the future.

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It seems a bit quiet here over the last few days so I thought it would be fun to do a list of up and coming riders who could move through the classes to challenge Marquez in the future. Obviously right now we have Lorenzo and Rossi as his main competitors but with Rossi getting older, Marquez performing better on tyres that Rossi prefers and Lorenzo off to Ducati for at least the next 2 years on a bike that we don't know if he'll be capable of winning on outside of Austria and Qatar who's the next guys in line to challenge Marquez over the next 5+ years? I thought this would make some interesting discussion.

Currently in the GP
Vinaeles - The most obvious and heralded candidate. He can be fast but I'm not convinced he can consistently beat Marquez even if he has the pace. If it ever comes down to a fight his skills aren't up to the level of guys like Marquez, Lorenzo or Rossi. He struggles to get past Aleix even when he is a few tenths faster. I believe he is going to find it particularly arduous with Marquez, Rossi, Lorenzo(if he can gel with the bike) and Pedrosa(when/if he is riding well) if it comes down to a fight for position. The aliens with their superior battling skills, who will be faster comparatively to Aleix is why I don't see him challenging Marquez seriously over a season. He may be Marquez's Biaggi or Gibernau. Better than the rest for a few years but never a real threat.

Miller - Can be fast and has loads of talent, is hard to evaluate because he is on last years bike without the seemless gearbox. He doesn't have Marquez level talent but I believe if he can learn to stop parking it in the gravel, which admittedly could be from trying to make up too much time on the brakes due to a subpar bike. He could I believe if given a better bike challenge Vinaeles for best of the rest due to his sharper fighting skills. I will admit my views on Miller may be bias due to being an Aussie.

Iannone - He could do anything really, it could go one way or the other. I think he will do better on the Suzuki. It's an easier bike to ride could see him spending less time sliding on his .... I do believe the Suzuki is better than given credit for but can be inconsistent. Iannone will show us the true level of the bike given he is a known substance. I don't see him challenging for a title on the Suzuki but an excellent next two years could see Honda or Yamaha sign him. He could then challenge to be the best of the rest but I don't see him beating Marquez over a season but he could certainly push him better than I believe Vinaeles will be able too if given similar equipment.

Pol, Redding, Crutchlow have all shown they're not up to the level of the aliens - Crutchlow does have a better pace but is on the wrong side of 30 and without a factory ride in the foreseeable future won't be able to challenge for a title.

Moto2
Zarco - He will need to perform extremely well and have Rossi retire or Vinaeles embarrass himself to have any chance of going onto a factory Yamaha. If one happens the other won't. His age will be against him and he hasn't shown the talent to challenge Vinaeles or Marquez. He will likely spend the rest of his GP career on a satellite bike.


Rins - The biggest let down on the list IMO, hasn't shown himself to be worthy of his Suzuki factory ride. I believe Suzuki made an error in their haste to sign him while Honda and Yamaha were smarter to offer him(if they in fact did) satellite rides. If his results in Moto2 are an indicator of what we can expect then he will be struggling to keep his ride let alone challenging the top 5 or Iannone.

Lowes - Can be fast but is inconsistent and crashes far too much as it is now. He is already 26 so I wouldn't expect him to change anytime soon. 2 years on the struggling Aprilia could be a career killer.

Moto3
Binder - Has had a great season but is already 21, at that age the men the aliens were already champs in the GP or multiple time champs in the lower classes. He didn't have a particularly dominant season either, yes he won the championship in Aragon but that is due to others crashing themselves out rather than outright consistently unassailable pace.

I'm sure there's others in moto3 though I believe the guy we will see challenging him isn't in the series yet.
 
Vinales has the best chance. I hope he surprises everyone next year if only for the sake of competition.

I'd love to see Miller get a bike with more hp at least on par with Cal but not sure what he is getting next year. He was way ahead of his team mate but I don't know whether their bikes are the same.

Iannone is a wild card. He's fast and so is the Suzuki so hopefully it's a good match.

I agree Suzuki made a mistake taking on Rins.

Similarly Aprilia made a mistake losing Bautista. I think they lost him trying to make a deal with Aspar, but Aspar chose Ducati instead. The Aprilia's have been steadily improving through the year so hopefully they make some decent steps over the break (they need hp imo).

It will be interesting to see what KTM bring next year. They have Red Bull backing so I don't think they'll be short of resources. I'm not sure what the conditions of their Valencia debut will be but the engines only have to last one race...
 
I think Iannone and Vinaeles are the only current MotoGP riders that ride aggressive enough to take on Marquez. Now both will be on different bikes next year so its a tuff call.
 
My view on Vinales is the same as the OP. Very fast, very inconsistent, and not a rider who takes positions by force like Marquez or Rossi. When those two catch a slower rider, they don't spend laps trying to set up a pass or wait for a mistake, they force the issue and get it done in a matter of turns. Numerous times this year Vinales ' final position was lower than his potential because of the amount of time it took him to get around slower bikes. If his name wasn't attached to the critique , you would think we were talking about Dani Pedrosa.
 
The only rider I think is up to the task of taking on Marquez is Karel Abraham, he isn't even on a factory ride next year but I don't think that will be enough to stop him from handing Marc back his .... Karel has immense raw talent the only thing that will give Marc any chance of stopping Karel is that he is on a Factory bike and has an advantage.
 
Current crop.
Illanone is knocking on the door.
Vinales- let's see. Has to be top 5 at least because factory yamaha.
Miller - definite top 5 if had the bike.

Next gen.
I like Rins, but he's hard to support because he doesn't seem to try hard enough.
Binders great, his Darren will be the greater.
 
Give Uccio a ride


Mind you, in Team Rossi YamaKwakSuz in 2019

He has actually ridden the M1 before.

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I think you folks are selling Zarco short.

At 26 yrs, he's not that old. He's a year younger than Biaggi was when he made his 500cc debut, an year older than Gibernau and the same age as Daijiro Kato, who had he lived might have been a stronger challenge to Rossi than either of them.

He's got the raw pace, he's got the race-craft, and despite an uneven 2016 season (quite stable compared to his rivals) he's still the only Moto2 rider since Lorenzo to finish with back-to-back titles. Though to be fair, that's partly because Vinales didn't stick around in the intermediate class.

And that unflappable 'old guy' persona masks a hunger to win as strong as anyone who's ever raced. At Sepang he could have settled for 20 points behind Morbidelli, with the Luthi threat still alive in 6th place, but he still pushed for that top step as hard as any 19 yr old.

He's more of a threat to Marquez than Rins or Lowes anyway. And I wouldn't be entirely surprised if in 2019, like Ben Spies (again.. same age in his first full season), he finds himself on a factory bike; Suzuki or perhaps Honda (post Pedrosa). He certainly deserved that 2017 seat at Suzuki more than Rins.
 
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I think you folks are selling Zarco short.

At 26 yrs, he's not that old. He's a year younger than Biaggi was when he made his 500cc debut, an year older than Gibernau and the same age as Daijiro Kato, who had he lived might have been a stronger challenge to Rossi than either of them.

He's got the raw pace, he's got the race-craft, and despite an uneven 2016 season (quite stable compared to his rivals) he's still the only Moto2 rider since Lorenzo to finish with back-to-back titles. Though to be fair, that's partly because Vinales didn't stick around in the intermediate class).

And that unflappable 'old guy' persona masks a hunger to win as strong as anyone who's ever raced. At Sepang he could have settled for 20 points behind Morbidelli, with the Luthi threat still alive in 6th place, but he still pushed for that top step as hard as any 19 yr old.

He's more of a threat to Marquez than Rins or Lowes anyway. And I wouldn't be entirely surprised if in 2019, like Ben Spies (again.. same age in his full season), he finds himself on a factory bike. He certainly deserved that place at Suzuki more than Rins.

I think Zarco could be quite good when he is gets familiar with the bike, but I don't think he will be at Mav's sort of level even if he was on the Suzuki atleast on in his 1st or 2nd year. 26 isn't all that old really when you compare it to VR's age, being 38 and still being able to push it enough to keep up with the invincible young guys shows that it can be done.
 
I am sure that Lorenzo is OUT of the equation because unless the Ducati takes a huge step - this bike will not be handled by Lorenzo.

I am almost sure that Rossi will signg another 2 year deal with Yamaha ( to have time for his Sky team to enter Moto 2/Moto GP) so he will be up the charts for some time more.

I'd like to see Ianone to step up and challenge for the title. I am bored with the Spaniards all around moto gp.

Is there any goo talent outside moto 2 and 3 in the national championships ?
 
I am sure that Lorenzo is OUT of the equation because unless the Ducati takes a huge step - this bike will not be handled by Lorenzo.

I am almost sure that Rossi will signg another 2 year deal with Yamaha ( to have time for his Sky team to enter Moto 2/Moto GP) so he will be up the charts for some time more.

I'd like to see Ianone to step up and challenge for the title. I am bored with the Spaniards all around moto gp.

Is there any goo talent outside moto 2 and 3 in the national championships ?

I know what you mean about the Spaniards, Karel Abraham is coming back and with his raw natural talent I'm sure will give these Spaniards a good touch up and teach them how its done.
 
I think you folks are selling Zarco short.

He's younger than I thought (I thought he was around 30). The thing that makes me unsure about Zarco is that he struggled in the wet rounds.

Anyway for me the main reason I don't see him challenging any time soon is that it felt like Tech 3 had gone backwards this year (Smith has for sure - not living up to his 2015 wet weather riding)... however Pol is one position ahead of 2015.
 
I am sure that Lorenzo is OUT of the equation because unless the Ducati takes a huge step - this bike will not be handled by Lorenzo.

I have a few casual bets that he will finish top 2 of the championship within his first contract.

Not big money but a few cases of beer and some fun is on the line, but I genuinely would not be surprised (one of the bets is against a very pro-VR dudette and if JL beat VR in the end of season standings then she has to give up all of her Rossi merchandise for me to dispose of how I wish)
 
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Interesting that so far nobody has mentioned Ianonne yet many mention Vinales for how he performed on the Suzuki (that had a few concessions so we do not genuinely know if he or the concessions or middle ground was at play).

IMO only but I suspect that if we assume that MV was the difference on the Suzuki then it is also not out of the realms that Ianonne may gel with the Suzuki and personally, I feel that on his day (as rare as that may have been over the last few years) he is the equal of MV. If Ianonne gets a good off-track team that can channel his speed and keep his concentration focussed then for mine he is a possible challenger although that same personal opinion for me has Ianonne as a long shot.

Marquez is a clear step ahead of those younger challengers so rather than asking who will step up, perhaps the question is what manufacturer will lift to allow their rider to challenge
 
I have a few casual bets that he will finish top 2 of the championship within his first contract.

Not big money but a few cases of beer and some fun is on the line, but I genuinely would not be surprised (one of the bets is against a very pro-VR dudette and if JL beat VR in the end of season standings then she has to give up all of her Rossi merchandise for me to dispose of how I wish)

I agree, everything is possible, but Lorenzo's riding style is the thing that makes me think he will be "VR 2" riding the Ducati.

I really hope for some "new blood" in the upcoming two years.
 
I agree, everything is possible, but Lorenzo's riding style is the thing that makes me think he will be "VR 2" riding the Ducati.

I really hope for some "new blood" in the upcoming two years.

In all honesty though, VR failed by his standards but not by the standards of all others who rode that machine - none moreso than Marco Melandri.

I actually reckon JL will do well, genuinely as for mine he can change style and has done so and the bike is seemingly coming to him although the big challenge will be how the Ducati handles without wings next year and what effect that has for him and the front end
 
Interesting that so far nobody has mentioned Ianonne yet many mention Vinales for how he performed on the Suzuki (that had a few concessions so we do not genuinely know if he or the concessions or middle ground was at play).

IMO only but I suspect that if we assume that MV was the difference on the Suzuki then it is also not out of the realms that Ianonne may gel with the Suzuki and personally, I feel that on his day (as rare as that may have been over the last few years) he is the equal of MV. If Ianonne gets a good off-track team that can channel his speed and keep his concentration focussed then for mine he is a possible challenger although that same personal opinion for me has Ianonne as a long shot.

Marquez is a clear step ahead of those younger challengers so rather than asking who will step up, perhaps the question is what manufacturer will lift to allow their rider to challenge

I've been looking forward to Ianonne going to Suzuki all year, he will be awesome on the Suzuki, better than he was on the Ducati. From what has been said its an easier bike to ride, that should stop him from crashing. He is sitting 10th in the championship this year which sounds bad but when you consider he didn't finish 10 races it indicates when he does finish races he does well. If he could stop crashing and injuring himself he would be up with the best of them, hopefully the Suzuki being a little easier to ride helps him do that.

Cant wait for the Valencia test.
 
In all honesty though, VR failed by his standards but not by the standards of all others who rode that machine - none moreso than Marco Melandri.

I actually reckon JL will do well, genuinely as for mine he can change style and has done so and the bike is seemingly coming to him although the big challenge will be how the Ducati handles without wings next year and what effect that has for him and the front end

I think JL will initially struggle with the Ducati. If his struggles to adapt to the tyres during parts of this season, on a bike he is very familiar with and helped develop to an extent are anything to go by. Then I don't think him adapting to the Ducati as well as the new tyres next season is going to be any easier for him.

When he does get familiar with it though I think he smooth style will best exploit the power of the Ducati and he will do quite well there. I think it will all depend on how long it takes him to get familiar with it and whether he can keep his confidence up if things don't pan out straight away.
 
He's younger than I thought (I thought he was around 30). The thing that makes me unsure about Zarco is that he struggled in the wet rounds.
He certainly looks older than he is. Sepang was fairly wet but he held his own. In qualifying on a damp track, he finished a whopping 2.1 secs ahead of Morbidelli who in turn was 0.5 sec ahead of Pons.

Anyway for me the main reason I don't see him challenging any time soon is that it felt like Tech 3 had gone backwards this year (Smith has for sure - not living up to his 2015 wet weather riding)... however Pol is one position ahead of 2015.
Its a 2015 M1. The bike's just fine, the problem is the tyres, which are somewhat better suited to a stop-start Honda/Ducati than a fast cornering Yamaha. Plus improvements in the Suzuki (and to some extent Aprilia) have made the environment more competitive for Tech 3.

The upside for the Yamaha riders (and probably Suzuki), including Zarco, is that with a full season of testing data, the Michelins next year are likely to be more balanced.
 

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