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Who will be Rookie of the Year?

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Every year, we have a newcomer that is touted as the heir apparent to the thrown, last year it was Pedrosa, and he didn’t disappoint being that he was rookie of the year. Just like when Rossi entered the series, and God knows he made it. And then there was Nicky Hayden who many thought he couldn’t make the transition from an unlikely V-twin championship in the AMA to MotoGP. He became rookie of the year and proceeded to improve every year finally winning the title from the great and seemingly invincible Rossi. At the moment, we have Stoner, who didn’t win a 250 championship and was highly suspect last year, but is now on his way to possibly winning a title (nothing sealed yet but it looks good).

On the other side of the coin, there was Capirossi and Biaggi. Both dominating and spectacular 250 champions who were also highly touted to be successful in the premier class. Though I think they have been highly successful, for various reasons they didn’t/haven’t yet won a title at this level, which by a superficial gauge would be considered not to have met the hype and expectation.

Well it seems we will have a dramatically different grid next year. So I know its early, but what the hell, I’m a bit bored. Of the new talent in MotoGP next year, which do you predict will be:

1. Rookie of the Year?
2. Who do you think will be the biggest flop?
3. Rank then in order in which you think they will have success.

Here are the newcomers (I think):

Lorenzo
Toseland
De Angelis
Dovizioso

Please feel free to add anybody I missed, or anybody who you think might be in by the time its all said and done. I wanted to put Ben Spies in there but he isn’t coming until 09. I also thought of putting in West, but nothing is official.

Ok, here are my answers:

Lorenzo will be Rookie of the Year. Not so much because he is talented but because he will be on perhaps the best package compared to the rest. I don’t think he will accept development duties as have other Rossi teammates.

The biggest flop will be Toseland. Not so much because he lacks talent, but he will have the biggest hill to climb because of the adjustment needed due to his superbike background and he will be on a satellite team.

Ranking in order:
Lorenzo
Dovizioso
DeAngelis
Toesland

Note: if West makes the grade, I would put him ahead of Dovisioso.


What do you think?


(BTW, I would have made one of those fancy polls so you could vote, but I'm not techy enough to do it, maybe a mod can help.)
 
Westy wouldn't qualify as a rookie next year, 'cause he rode this year.

If De Angelis goes to Gresini, I'm going to tip him for a surprise rookie of the year.
 
1) Lorenzo
2) Dovisioso
3) Toseland
4) deAngelis

I doubt Toseland will have a brilliant year... but to say he's just come from 9 years of superbikes, he'll make the transition to GP pretty well and score some solid points.

Lorenzo will impress... he has too much talent not to, and like jumkie said, he will most likely have the best package. I don't see deAngelis doing much in his debut season.
 
Haha, we had De Angelis at opposite ends
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Mine would probably be: (this is assuming a Gresini Honda for De Angelis and a Pramac Duke for Dovvy)

De Angelis
Dovizioso
Lorenzo
Toseland

Maybe I'd switch De Angelis and Dovvy round, I get the feeling both of them are capable of causing an upset.
 
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Well yeah, the order of those two obviously depends on what machine they get... I'm hoping Dovi gets a better ride than the Pramac... because of his Honda background I'd tip him to get the Gresini ride ahead of deAngelis...
 
Rookie of the year 2008
Lorenzo

Flop of the year 2008
DeAngelis

Lorenzo
Dovizioso
Toseland
DeAngelis
 
Rookie of the Year 2008;
Lorenzo

He's a good rider with a good package, I think that gives him the edge.

Flop of the Year 2008;
Dovy

If he's on the Pramac

Lorenzo
DeAngelis
Toseland
Dovy

I think Toseland will adapt well, but he's not going to be on a competitive enough bike to set the grid alight. Hopefully he'll impress enough to get a better ride in 2009.
 
Rookie of the year will be Lorenzo. Then Dovizioso, De Angelis and Toseland although I think the biggest flop next year will be Hopper!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Aug 22 2007, 09:29 AM) [snapback]86387[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Westy wouldn't qualify as a rookie next year, 'cause he rode this year.






Really? I thought he might qualify since he didn't rider the entire year. What's the rule, do you know?
 
Lorenzo will be rookie of the year. He won't be winning the title but he could well be a pain in the backside to Rossi. Personally, I hope it works out the other way round and Rossi shows him who's the Daddy!

Toseland........I think folk are underestimating James. He will put in some great results, and fix his place in Moto GP.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Burky @ Aug 22 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]86476[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lorenzo will be rookie of the year. He won't be winning the title but he could well be a pain in the backside to Rossi. Personally, I hope it works out the other way round and Rossi shows him who's the Daddy!

Toseland........I think folk are underestimating James. He will put in some great results, and fix his place in Moto GP.


I hope so buddy. I just saw the Brands Hatch race again, and I was very impressed with Toes. Plus in the interviews, he seems a refreshing and genuine "bloke" as you say. If it were based on personality, Toes would win out all newcomers. A part of me want to think that he do better than I think because the superbikes have narrowed the gap between GP due to advancements in technology. As Hodges said, the bikes are now very similar. Perhaps this will be an advantage to Toseland, since the 250 guys have been running around in what I think are less powerful machines.

As far as Lorentho and Rossi, yeah, I agree. I'm no fan of Rossi, but Lorentho is a zeppelin of hot air. The guy runs around with his personal flag on a victory lap as if he installed the tires, tuned and set his bike all by himself.
 
It's really cool to read what people have been saying about Lorenzo, DeAngelis, Dovy & so on, because I haven't been able to catch most of the 250cc races this year.

I have seen most of the SBK races though & must agree that JT has been mostly impressive, with only a couple of blips on the radar.

If... & I stress IF, the Tech 3 Yamaha is reasonably competitive next year that JT might be in with a chance for ROTY, otherwise I'd say Lorenzo myself... providing Jorge & Vale don't .....-slap each other out of contention
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(satire guys)

Ciao, M
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Aug 22 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]86503[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
providing Jorge & Vale don't .....-slap each other out of contention
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(satire guys)




I don't get the satire in that... it could very well happen.
 
I tend to agree with Kropotkin when he wrote on his website;

" ... As for Lorenzo, I'm not convinced. Lorenzo has a pretty impressive record, but against arguably weaker opposition. Plus, Lorenzo is going to have to get used to getting beaten. If he can handle that for a couple of years, then we'll see what he's made of."

I think deAngelis might be really suited to the bigger bikes!

Therefore;

deAngelis
Lorenzo
Toseland
Dovi
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say JT.

He should be in the best situation, assuming the things promised to Tech 3 are delivered. He is riding with a man who he has been teamed up with before. Furthermore, Colin has done a fairly good job of adapting his style and he can be a wealth of knowledge for JT.

Lorenzo on the other hand is going to be in the pressure cooker. Day in day out, trying to match Rossi who will probably give Lorenzo a relatively icy reception.

Plus, even when Lorenzo does go really quickly (it seems like he should be really fast) he is going to have a new breed of muscle to deal with. Rossi and Hayden in particular are known for hazing the new blood (Pedrosa whined about them every week). Plus, Pedrosa isn't going to let another Spainiard steal his thunder. After that he's only got to worry about Melandri and Stoner, who play rough on better equipment. But wait there's more!!! CV, Capirossi, Hopper, and Hopper's teammate will all be on comparable or superior equipment next season too!

All the bumping and mean spirited passes will wear the hot-headed Spaniard out. For Toseland, it will be another day at the office.

I'm not going to rank, because I don't think classifying one rookie as superior to another is going to be worthwhile next season. I think they are all in for a rough opening campaign.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 23 2007, 06:24 AM) [snapback]86516[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm going to go out on a limb and say JT.

He should be in the best situation, assuming the things promised to Tech 3 are delivered. He is riding with a man who he has been teamed up with before. Furthermore, Colin has done a fairly good job of adapting his style and he can be a wealth of knowledge for JT.

Lorenzo on the other hand is going to be in the pressure cooker. Day in day out, trying to match Rossi who will probably give Lorenzo a relatively icy reception.

Plus, even when Lorenzo does go really quickly (it seems like he should be really fast) he is going to have a new breed of muscle to deal with. Rossi and Hayden in particular are known for hazing the new blood (Pedrosa whined about them every week). Plus, Pedrosa isn't going to let another Spainiard steal his thunder. After that he's only got to worry about Melandri and Stoner, who play rough on better equipment. But wait there's more!!! CV, Capirossi, Hopper, and Hopper's teammate will all be on comparable or superior equipment next season too!

All the bumping and mean spirited passes will wear the hot-headed Spaniard out. For Toseland, it will be another day at the office.

I'm not going to rank, because I don't think classifying one rookie as superior to another is going to be worthwhile next season. I think they are all in for a rough opening campaign.

Yep, that's pretty much how I see it.
I see JT coming in with the best frame of mind. He has the ability and physical presence for the job. Mentally, he will be prepared as hopefully double world champion, but he also has the intelligence to understand that he is stepping into a new arena on realistically a non winning bike. He will consider all aspects and secure positive performances, sealing his future rise in Moto GP.
............................I hope so anyway!!!
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He seems like a professional and descent lad so I wish him the very best of luck.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 23 2007, 12:24 AM) [snapback]86516[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Lorenzo on the other hand is going to be in the pressure cooker. Day in day out, trying to match Rossi who will probably give Lorenzo a relatively icy reception.


i don't think lorenzo is going to have any pressure put on him. unless it's from himself. it'll be his learning season. his 2nd year i think the pressure will be there. rossi is the 1 yamaha are expecting to produce. considering the salary he's paid (probably would cover all 3 of their other riders pay & then some) the pressures all on him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 23 2007, 06:24 AM) [snapback]86516[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm going to go out on a limb and say JT.

He should be in the best situation, assuming the things promised to Tech 3 are delivered. He is riding with a man who he has been teamed up with before. Furthermore, Colin has done a fairly good job of adapting his style and he can be a wealth of knowledge for JT.

Lorenzo on the other hand is going to be in the pressure cooker. Day in day out, trying to match Rossi who will probably give Lorenzo a relatively icy reception.

Plus, even when Lorenzo does go really quickly (it seems like he should be really fast) he is going to have a new breed of muscle to deal with. Rossi and Hayden in particular are known for hazing the new blood (Pedrosa whined about them every week). Plus, Pedrosa isn't going to let another Spainiard steal his thunder. After that he's only got to worry about Melandri and Stoner, who play rough on better equipment. But wait there's more!!! CV, Capirossi, Hopper, and Hopper's teammate will all be on comparable or superior equipment next season too!

All the bumping and mean spirited passes will wear the hot-headed Spaniard out. For Toseland, it will be another day at the office.

I'm not going to rank, because I don't think classifying one rookie as superior to another is going to be worthwhile next season. I think they are all in for a rough opening campaign.


Ace post!
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I know I look to come across as the forums token JT fanboy, but I'm not sure how next year will be.

People think he will flop because he's a WSB rider....the others haven't faired that bad.

The others coming in will have a wealth of GP experience, so if they DON'T beat JT, then they will be the 'flops', as they've had years on the circuits, and they know how to set GP bikes up properly.

If JT is anything higher than last rookie, the others should be embarrased, beaten by a literal rookie to all GP.

takes off JT silver foil hat
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 24 2007, 07:46 PM) [snapback]86636[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ace post!
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I know I look to come across as the forums token JT fanboy, but I'm not sure how next year will be.

People think he will flop because he's a WSB rider....the others haven't faired that bad.

The others coming in will have a wealth of GP experience, so if they DON'T beat JT, then they will be the 'flops', as they've had years on the circuits, and they know how to set GP bikes up properly.

If JT is anything higher than last rookie, the others should be embarrased, beaten by a literal rookie to all GP.

takes off JT silver foil hat
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Yeah I agree with you. He needs to be given time before we can pass judgement on him.

How long did World Champion Nikky Hayden have before he became a real force.

Colin Edwards and Troy Bayliss needed time as well, along with Chris Vermeulen.

I am still not convinced the Tech 3 Yamaha will be the "Duck's Guts" next year either. I cant see Tech 3 getting better equipment over the Rossi and Lorenzo.

On the Ant West rookie front, he cant even win the Rookie award this year. IIRC Ant West rode in 14 races in GP in 2001.


Cheers
Mark
 

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