Which Series Is Better?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 3 2009, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mike, I was referring to the characteristics of the 800's. Someone on here put it brilliantly as 'mono-railing' mid corner speed being crucial - whereas the 990's with their excess of torque, generally very different power characteristics and riding styles, allowed for, shall we say, the unorthodox approach to cornering amongst some. We want to see three or four bikes barreling into a corner sideways, as opposed to the single file entry point promoted by the 800's. Yeah, I accept some of this is down to the increase in technical aids over the last two years, but the 800's supposedly require a more 250 riding style, but evidently minus the excitement.
I agree that the 800s appear to be a one-line formula, and that there doesn't seem to be an option to over-ride the bike in a given corner to overtake, as well as the bikes seemingly being prone to letting go with little warning. I don't dispute that it looks likely the formula is fundamentally flawed, and whilst constantly changing the formula is also not a good idea if things are no better this year I think 3 years is an adequate trial.

I was mainly trying to needle curve and to my surprise appear to have succeeded. I do think it is salient that to win a motogp race or championship you have to be valentino rossi or beat valentino rossi, whilst this is not the case in wsbk. I also don't see much value in close racing if it is contrived, which seems to be the case in some forms of american motorsport and for which I think there is some potential in wsbk.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 4 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... it then lets just have 10 bikes on the grid A?



dont get your g-string in a knot Nancy...humor the thought of ALL the best racers in WSBK... .
..30somthing bikes...the likes of Spies, Haga, Sykes, etc etc with the regulars of GP....Stoner on the 1200 DUC, Rossi on the R1....... .... you if that wouldnt be THE racing series.
I've seen WSBK at Salt Lake and at Laguna, I've also seen alot of the veterans advance from the AMA races at Road America and Brainard.I would love to see Rossi and Stoner in SBK but I don't think it will happen unless Dorna really blows it. I still think Foggy (who is my idol) could have held his own against anyone. Although Rossi is the best I have seen, and the GP at Laguna last year was the best race I have been at, so I would give the edge to Moto GP. I hope it lasts.

Not exactly on topic but in the same theme.....

Which series are riders in the general public(you & me) benefitting from more?

I'd have to say the elevated profile of WSBK and its even bigger profile for 2009 will benefit us way more than MotoGP.
The new R1 with its Big Bang engine wouldn't have made it to the streets if it wasn't for Yamaha's desire to win WSBK. I know they say the R1 draws design from the M1 but if it wasn't for the R1 being WSBK the street bike wouldn't be this good.
The 1198 is also as good as it is because of WSBK.

I don't see MotoGP having such an influence on bikes on showroom floors. No 800cc GP based sports bikes in stores yet.

Other opinions?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Feb 4 2009, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not exactly on topic but in the same theme.....

Which series are riders in the general public(you & me) benefitting from more?

I'd have to say the elevated profile of WSBK and its even bigger profile for 2009 will benefit us way more than MotoGP.
The new R1 with its Big Bang engine wouldn't have made it to the streets if it wasn't for Yamaha's desire to win WSBK. I know they say the R1 draws design from the M1 but if it wasn't for the R1 being WSBK the street bike wouldn't be this good.
The 1198 is also as good as it is because of WSBK.

I don't see MotoGP having such an influence on bikes on showroom floors. No 800cc GP based sports bikes in stores yet.

Other opinions?I agree with you, being a Ducati fan, SBK has launched the Ducks sales in America over the last decade. I don't know if Moto GP has much of a sales influence at all, it's just fun as hell seeing what these machines can do.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (james68 @ Feb 4 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you, being a Ducati fan, SBK has launched the Ducks sales in America over the last decade. I don't know if Moto GP has much of a sales influence at all, it's just fun as hell seeing what these machines can do.

I grew up watching mostly MotoGp. No doubt MotoGP was the premier class. In late 90's WSBK is more about V-Twin Ducati and Forgarty. But when MotoGP switch to 4 Stroke and all GP bikes are now all 4 cylinder, GP is going to doom.


As new technology being transferred to the street bike and cost saving exercise and current financial clamaity, the future is with WSBK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Feb 4 2009, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not exactly on topic but in the same theme.....

Which series are riders in the general public(you & me) benefitting from more?

I'd have to say the elevated profile of WSBK and its even bigger profile for 2009 will benefit us way more than MotoGP.
The new R1 with its Big Bang engine wouldn't have made it to the streets if it wasn't for Yamaha's desire to win WSBK. I know they say the R1 draws design from the M1 but if it wasn't for the R1 being WSBK the street bike wouldn't be this good.
The 1198 is also as good as it is because of WSBK.

I don't see MotoGP having such an influence on bikes on showroom floors. No 800cc GP based sports bikes in stores yet.

Other opinions?

I'd say the R1 big bang engine is much more about the M1 than SBK. SBK may have been one of the factors as well as sending MotoGP technology to the street, but only a factor. The outspring and thereby the option to even build that engine is all about MotoGP. Besides, Ducati and Honda have both "copied" their MotoGP bikes, allthough in very different ways. Everyone know about the desmo sedetchi but honda made a pretty good replicas with their 600 and 1000 a few years back. Obviously not the same engine but very similar fairing and optionally even repsol colors.

WSBK for me,would`ve been MGP but not until the 990`s come back.

switch off traction control and me is happy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 4 2009, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd say the R1 big bang engine is much more about the M1 than SBK.
Your completely right.
However my point is the R1 wouldn't have recieved M1 technology if Yamaha weren't trying to win WSBK.
The technology would have been stuck in MotoGP and not made it to the streets. I think street bikes are benefiting more from the rising profile of WSBK and in turn so are we as riders.

Moto GP if only just. I'll be following both series very closely this year and reconsider after that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Feb 5 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your completely right.
However my point is the R1 wouldn't have recieved M1 technology if Yamaha weren't trying to win WSBK.
The technology would have been stuck in MotoGP and not made it to the streets. I think street bikes are benefiting more from the rising profile of WSBK and in turn so are we as riders.

I'd say at best that's an asumption from your side.
Sure, if what ever main production race series still used 750's then the R1 might not recive the big bang engine, but the R7 would. This is not about WSBK and it's popularity, it's about the importance for any of the big sportsbike companies to have the best/fastest road going sportbike and they would recieve MotoGP technology regardless, and they put it into what ever model that is the top model/ most competetive for the time being.
The production bike series and the street bikes is a symbiose and motoGP is the catalyzer.