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Norah Head
Joined Oct 2015
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Texas
It's also true that many riders aren't your friend even if you're not beating them.
outy frowny face:Very true, and such is life
But then, in real life, not everyone turns against you because you beat them in sport either ....................... else many people would hate the world.
In Valentino's case it is pretty well every rider who has ever beaten him, including Toni Elias who beat him in one race. I strongly suspect even Iannone is off his Christmas card list for taking 3rd from him at PI last year, despite protestations to the contrary at the time.
This is my problem with him, his character in particular his petulance towards any and all challengers, rather than his riding, in regard to which I agree with Cadalora.
Oddly, and to my immense surprise in MM's case, JL and MM have shown themselves to be bigger men than Valentino. In Jorge's case despite battling his brains out till the last lap in both his previous title defenses, he has very cordial relationships with the riders of his stature other than VR in MM and Stoner, both of whom he has beaten for titles and been beaten by for titles.
Joined Feb 2016
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Mongolia
Daniboy; said:
A straightforward guy would not play mind games off the track to try to gain an "advantage" over his worthy opponents over the years.
A straightforward guy would not try to veto his potentially faster teammates.
A straightforward guy would not tell his employer "either him or me" before going to another team.
A straightforward guy would have kept his mouth shut in the Sepang press conference and try to win or finish ahead of his only title challenger on the tracks at Sepang and Valencia while leading in the championship .
Straightforward he is not. Cunning is more like it.
Joined Nov 2015
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A caravan on an island
Signor Cadalora should be ok then seeing as he's just the coach. He never fell out with Capirossi either, despite him taking vital points from him during 2006 .
True, Capirossi is perhaps the one exception, whom I will concede I have always overlooked. At the time though he was taking points away from Hayden as well, then crashed and wasn't in contention for the 2006 championship at the death.
Even though I disagree with you on much but not all in regard to Rossi, I do admire the way you fight your corner, usually with no resort to argumentum ad hominem, btw.
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Luca always carried himself well as I recall. So maybe he's the "not being an arsehole coach"?
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Joined Nov 2015
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A caravan on an island
Thanks, I do try to constructively argue the point without resorting to belittling the other person. I've had it done to me and it achieves nothing but simmering resentment and no chance of changing the belief of your opponent.
