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Rossi's sour grapes took him to Ducati and two years of nothing on a bike his engineer said he'd fix in 80 seconds or something similar. Was he criticised? No it was a romantic gesture and an Italian was going to take an Italian bike to glory, as they shut down the official wsbk team to fund giving him everything he wanted to do so.
When he discarded them to go back to Yamaha with his tail between his legs (his words) was he criticised? Once again no.
Lorenzo is criticised for anything and everything because Rossi wants it so, his fans see nothing outside the yellow bubble.
Fans around the world should grow up and appreciate and respect every one of the riders for putting on the fantastic display of the sport we love. Outside what we see on tv and in the press we know nothing of the true nature of almost every rider.
That said the riders should do so too, I'm not talking hugs and kisses but just respect and handshakes would go a long way to eradicate the cloud that hangs over the sport at the moment.
When he discarded them to go back to Yamaha with his tail between his legs (his words) was he criticised? Once again no.
Lorenzo is criticised for anything and everything because Rossi wants it so, his fans see nothing outside the yellow bubble.
Fans around the world should grow up and appreciate and respect every one of the riders for putting on the fantastic display of the sport we love. Outside what we see on tv and in the press we know nothing of the true nature of almost every rider.
That said the riders should do so too, I'm not talking hugs and kisses but just respect and handshakes would go a long way to eradicate the cloud that hangs over the sport at the moment.
Lemme ask you something Yam, if the sport is so rigged and this and that, why on earth do you still watch??
And what you say is just terribly unrealistic. You do realize that if we all appreciated and respected every single rider out there, this forum would have no reason to exist, right? It would be all peace, love, and happiness, and I there's no on e in here who would enjoy that.
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Wrong, we lovers of the sport and riders skills would be talking about the racing, different bikes and riders as normal.
Not arguing the toss about a deity who has bell ends like yourself in a tizzy over his wild accusations and dodgy temperamental behaviour.
Haven't you got some gift cards to redeem?
Yam, if that's true, then why do you post about such stuff? There's nothing saying that you have to argue against these people, yet you select to do so. The same goes for several other members who have said pretty much what you just did, yet continue to argue day and night with various people.
And also, I'm not in a tizzy at all. I'll admit when I first got here I was thrown into a tizzy because I didn't realize how this forum operates, but now that I'm used to it, I'm pretty calm.
We probably all watch with the hope that someday the wrongs will be righted. Or that someday the little fish will eat the big one. Kind of like Leister is doing in the premiership.
It's sad but it happens in other sports. Real Madrid and Barcelona always win La Liga. Bayern Munchen the Bundesliga. Milan, Juventus the Serie A. I still watch Futbol because I will always love the sport. I will always hate the business. Sort of like an addiction.
It doesn't mean we can't call out the injustice that takes place for certain person or team. In Futbol, the top teams always endure. Thankfully in GP there is an inevitable expiration date for all the riders.
I hope GP is more neutral and level to all in a few years time.
It's sad but it happens in other sports. Real Madrid and Barcelona always win La Liga. Bayern Munchen the Bundesliga. Milan, Juventus the Serie A. I still watch Futbol because I will always love the sport. I will always hate the business. Sort of like an addiction.
It doesn't mean we can't call out the injustice that takes place for certain person or team. In Futbol, the top teams always endure. Thankfully in GP there is an inevitable expiration date for all the riders.
I hope GP is more neutral and level to all in a few years time.
well this is exactly why I asked the question, I was curious why you would still watch. But the way some members, not including yourself, go on about the current state of the murky waters, you would think professional wrestling was being discussed, not motogp.
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Once again, no disrespect but I find your comment stupid and childish. Why does bad blood, and childish fighting amongst world class motorcycle riders need to exist for people to be interested in watching it. It's an insult to the riders skill, bravery and dedication to suggest otherwise.
You sound like a kiddie who's into WWE the way you make that statement.
Those interested in MotoGP as a sport watch the racing for the racing, we don't watch it simply dying to see if the post race interviews throw up some lame insults or accusations.
By the way I said respect and a handshake, not peace, love and a ....... [emoji1]
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The odd pole he made also last year, but this year its three consecutive first row starts, a consistency I don't remember from Rossi since 2010 or earlier.
Povol has a point when he mentions that this year Ducati and Suzuki do not have the supersofts -- but they do have better speed overall and a more mature development -- and fast riders.
So everything considered I still think there is a change in Rossi's capability in QP this year, that could put him more consistently in the front row.
His crash was during the race and due, I believe, to a drop in concentration while he was waiting for his clutch to cool down to resume pushing. He made an uncharacteristic mistake of losing the best line and finding a bump. He didn't crash when pushing during QP.
Yam, something must have been lost in translation there, because that's not what I was saying at all. I was asking, if you feel like motogp is rigged towards one man, then why do you bother still watching the sport? I was saying that if motogp is rigged, then in essence it's similar to WWE.
I never said bad blood and fighting need to exist in gp to make it exciting. I said that the way some people on this forum discuss things, reminds me of people discussing WWE.
In no way did I say, or do I think, that motogp needs drama to be more interesting.
Something of a contradiction, given you fairly obviously came here for exactly the same reason. I actually think you are engaging in genuine discussion now btw, which is fine and good, although I quite enjoyed the trolling as well.
I personally like watching the riders race, but am actually not a fan of contrived "close racing" a la the so convenient yellow flags in Nascar and just as happy to watch a dominant performance by a single rider riding beyond the edge of what should be possible, and entirely happy for a rider to win by 10 seconds if they genuinely are 10 seconds better.
My current objections to Rossi are purely at a personal/character level, and of recent onset, commencing about the time of the Thursday before the Sepang 2015 race in fact. I actually pretty much agree with J4rn0 that he mostly had no more advantages than come with the job description of being the top rider, like Mick Doohan before him. You have actually come in almost a decade into the advantage argument, which initially was about poor Valentino having to compete against Ducati rocketships etc, to which some were wont to reply concerning advantages he may have had himself at times. I have some suspicion regarding tyre shenanigans in 2008, but as long as he ended up riding on the same tyres as Stoner without the Ducati tyre being taken away I don't have much problem, although how he managed the transition does appear murky.
Mike, I oddly feel like we enjoy the same sort of racing. I admit I love to see Marc dominate from start to finish sometimes, or Vale, but I do love the intricate passing that sometimes occurs, even if it involves a wildman on a Ducati.
I must disagree with you on me coming here to solely troll the place. Contrary to popular belief, I haven't been slithering around the forum for ages, nor planning a crafty cyberattack to bring the place to its knees. I've been poking around for a few years, and got thrust into the action just recently, as you know. In any event, although my trolling is undeniable, I didn't intend for that to be the case.
I also feel that part of my trolling was caused by, as you mentioned, my coming onto the sport much later than most of you.
But have no fear, I'm sure the inner troll will no doubt swim the shark infested waters again...
May I answer for myself here?
For me, is it rigged .......... no.
But is it to centric or focussed on one man ........... yes
And with that focus comes the observation that a lot of 'coincidences' occur that seem to indicate that one man feels either he is larger than the sport, or has been elevated to a level within the sport with which I find issue and concern as when the sport focuses on one person, it is generally to the detriment of others (either by design, exclusion or side effect)
Now, even with the focus and centricity, that person must still compete and beat the others and thus, from my view the sheer show on track is what still brings me to the sport (have never been one for the off track personality ........) in the hope to see a fair race where the best rider/bike on the day wins.
Sure there are contradictions in what and why I come back ........ Rossi pisses me off as does DORNA's single minded focus on all thing VR, but if/when he rides well I will give credit and nor do I solely blame him for being that central focus (DORNA and Caremllo have a lot to answer for in their pursuit of the dollar) as given the opportunity, no athlete would pass it up as with the focus comes position and power
I actually would put MotoGP more like golf of the Tiger Woods era where course lengths and rough growth was changed to fit in with the show being put on by Tiger, whilst all the PGA focus was on Tiger and thus the media sycophants followed. WWE to me is schlock .... entertainment for those that like reality type shows of the Kardashian variety - it is no more a sport than is changing channels using a remote control
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Just on this comment ............ personally I wish that the broadcasters would show more lower position stuff or offer split view as often the lower position has the overtakes whilst up front it is harder due to teh extremely similar machinery and skillsets
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May well be wrong as I can enjoy watching Rossi ride ............ but would much rather watch the entire field across a race to get impressions of their battles as well (individual with a cantankerous bike, or in a group of position swapping)
What I suggest is that we use the MUTE button so that we do not have to put up with the incessant yellow biased prattling of the commentary teams
MUTE, a great button for a tv remote
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If you mean ignoring whoever is leading the race in solitude, that's fine. It doesn't happen to Rossi very often, last race was an exception.
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A caravan on an island
Cadalora talking about how he came to help Rossi:
I didn’t know him well. One day we met in Misano with the R1. He invited me to the Ranch at Tavullia. Then he asked me to follow him to the Phillip Island test. He asked me if I would be his ‘Boris Becker’ (former number 1 professional tennis player who has helped many current players). I told him that the money was not important, the passion yes. And I told him that the job had to be serious, or it wasn’t worth even to start.
On his style:
I don’t give any advice, I don’t allow myself to say, ‘Do this or do that.’ I think about what I have seen and then speak. Then Valentino decides to use those words as he sees fit. I go around the circuit with my scooter and study the track; I observe. I try to ‘feel’ the circuit and watch how Valentino and the other riders interact with the track. And afterwards, by studying the times, perhaps he can discern whether it is better to use this or that line. It’s not a very technical operation, there is not a hard rule or anything like that. Each time is different. It’s a little ‘artistic’ work, so to speak. And it’s good that way. What is really important is that Valentino and I do stay tuned. Today’s bikes and riders are at the very limit. The difference is one-tenth of a second per lap or less. You win by covering all the details.
On Rossi’s riding style:
He is a Frankenstein rider. As focused as Eddie Lawson, as whimsical as Kevin Schwantz; able to improvise like Wayne Rainey, while being as combative as Mick Doohan. All this with the enthusiasm and the desire of a teenager to improve…I expected to find another type of person. He is a simple, modest, likeable, straightforward guy.
I didn’t know him well. One day we met in Misano with the R1. He invited me to the Ranch at Tavullia. Then he asked me to follow him to the Phillip Island test. He asked me if I would be his ‘Boris Becker’ (former number 1 professional tennis player who has helped many current players). I told him that the money was not important, the passion yes. And I told him that the job had to be serious, or it wasn’t worth even to start.
On his style:
I don’t give any advice, I don’t allow myself to say, ‘Do this or do that.’ I think about what I have seen and then speak. Then Valentino decides to use those words as he sees fit. I go around the circuit with my scooter and study the track; I observe. I try to ‘feel’ the circuit and watch how Valentino and the other riders interact with the track. And afterwards, by studying the times, perhaps he can discern whether it is better to use this or that line. It’s not a very technical operation, there is not a hard rule or anything like that. Each time is different. It’s a little ‘artistic’ work, so to speak. And it’s good that way. What is really important is that Valentino and I do stay tuned. Today’s bikes and riders are at the very limit. The difference is one-tenth of a second per lap or less. You win by covering all the details.
On Rossi’s riding style:
He is a Frankenstein rider. As focused as Eddie Lawson, as whimsical as Kevin Schwantz; able to improvise like Wayne Rainey, while being as combative as Mick Doohan. All this with the enthusiasm and the desire of a teenager to improve…I expected to find another type of person. He is a simple, modest, likeable, straightforward guy.
As has been said by more than a few riders, Valentino is fine/your friend unless and until you start beating him.
