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West speaks

Kawi is bringing a new machine for 2009 so maybe they will have a top 10 chance.

Andy, having a spray may be great in the land of OZ but in Japan...not so good. I have worked for a Japanese company and your opinion was not required. Keep the head down and work. Really a strict top down structure.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (machmanzx10r @ Nov 6 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First off......read this....

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/New+Nin...asaki+at+Sepang

Second.....if the Kawi was so bad, how did this happen?

http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.php?opti...&Itemid=198

Third....Having owned and tracked a 2005 ZX10R, I will agree that this bike was NOT the easiest to get dialed in....it took alot of work....but once I got the suspension set up (100% stock, btw) I posted lap times at Mid Ohio that would have made the field for the AMA Superbike weekend....this bike was notoriously difficult to setup.....I think that West was not up to the task of it but so far Melandri seems to like the bike and the direction Kawi is going with it......time will tell if Kawi is making headway on the chasis or not.....

You can't blame all Kawasaki's problems on West's ability to set up a bike, Hopper hasn't exactly set the track on fire with it either has he?
Melandri may be a better rider, but if Kawasaki spend another year standing still then he's not going to fare much better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Nov 6 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't blame all Kawasaki's problems on West's ability to set up a bike, Hopper hasn't exactly set the track on fire with it either has he?
Melandri may be a better rider, but if Kawasaki spend another year standing still then he's not going to fare much better.

I do not blame West for all of Kawi's issues....but I don't think he was on much of a position to help change it either....as for Hopper...I can only say that maybe his injuries held him back some this year? Who knows.....I just hope that with the new bike they will make strides toward putting a competitive package on the track.....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Nov 6 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>first link provided points to kawa rolling out a new bike for 2009. not much use to ant west is it?

second link is for the canadian superbike standings if i can decipher that correctly? what does that have to do with the Moto Gp effort?

thirdly, congrats on getting your zx10 so well dialled in. again, see 2nd point ..

i am confused by the relevance of this all?

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Al...the point of the post was to show that Kawi has the ability to put a good product on the track...that they do care about racing....maybe not as much as some other companies....the point of the CSB standings was to show that they can put a competitive package together....something that it seems people here don't believe......same as the part of my own personall history with the 10R.....

I know these bikes are FAR from the GP realm, but even for street bikes, if you have ever ridden one, you know.......Kawi does not spend alot of money on racing.....or they haven't until very recently...that is my point.....that hopefully now that they are starting to get results, they will spend more....

Here's to 2009 and the new ZX-RR..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (machmanzx10r @ Nov 6 2008, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Al...the point of the post was to show that Kawi has the ability to put a good product on the track...that they do care about racing....maybe not as much as some other companies....the point of the CSB standings was to show that they can put a competitive package together....something that it seems people here don't believe......same as the part of my own personall history with the 10R.....

I know these bikes are FAR from the GP realm, but even for street bikes, if you have ever ridden one, you know.......Kawi does not spend alot of money on racing.....or they haven't until very recently...that is my point.....that hopefully now that they are starting to get results, they will spend more....

Here's to 2009 and the new ZX-RR..
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lets hope that its not only more money they are spending. they need more effort and most of all DESIRE to win. kawa and suzuki are in a similar situation with regards to bike numbers and team sizes. they both need more bikes out on the track to get a better spread of data which helps the factory improve. thats why honda, yamaha and ducati can improve their bikes quicker. my only hope is that 2009 is not a spread out affair but has closer racing.
 
I have said all year that Hopkins make a mistake leaving Suzuki, with a competitive package for Kawasaki. The Road racing ranks of Kawasaki are so bad, it is truly an embarrassment. I race mx on Kawasaki and with riders like Villopoto and the Pourcel boys, we will win titles in America and Mx1 this year. I have heard Chris is ripping on the Procircuit KX250f in sx testing, and he will be a favorite to win a 250 title in supercross barring injury. So my point, if you like the green brand, follow mx, because there is no hope for the motogp season in 2009. Marco and Hopper will struggle for top tens and both be yearning for yesteryear, the Gresini Honda and Rizla Suzuki days respectively.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dphairoh @ Nov 6 2008, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have said all year that Hopkins make a mistake leaving Suzuki, with a competitive package for Kawasaki. The Road racing ranks of Kawasaki are so bad, it is truly an embarrassment. I race mx on Kawasaki and with riders like Villopoto and the Pourcel boys, we will win titles in America and Mx1 this year. I have heard Chris is ripping on the Procircuit KX250f in sx testing, and he will be a favorite to win a 250 title in supercross barring injury. So my point, if you like the green brand, follow mx, because there is no hope for the motogp season in 2009. Marco and Hopper will struggle for top tens and both be yearning for yesteryear, the Gresini Honda and Rizla Suzuki days respectively.
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As a MX rider do you think the Kwak is a better bike for racing or do the phenomenal riders they have had make it seem so.
I'm a big fan of MX but I don't ride so I have always wondered if there is as much disparity between the bikes like you have in roadracing.
Is there one bike that is a complete piece of .... or are they all pretty much the same
 
That is a great question. In the states, Mitch Payton and his Kawaski team win everything possible just about every year on 250f. As for the factories, Kawasaki has revived old Tim Ferry as he and bubba went one two outdoors this year. So the success is there for the green, but at the 450 factory level, I think the bikes are fairly even. James won his debut on Yamaha with only two days testing, and Reed looked good on his new Suzuki as well. Villopoto will do well on James' old ride at Kawasaki and Windham and Millsaps have a chance to win a supercross for Honda, so I believe all four makes have a legit chance at winning this year. KTM doesn't, I have thought about buying a 09 ktm, as they have gotten great reviews in testing. They just don't have the right program up in the states yet and Tommy Seale, England's hope is gonna get his butt handed to him this year as proof. They have good bikes but they need Decoster or Smets or Everts to run the program in the states to win!
 
Anyone catch this....

Soup

I don't know if some of this is sour grapes but I believe that there is always a grain of truth in every sour apple.

My Point? Westy indicates that neither he or Hoppers could get the machine to do any real damage to the field other than crash.

I have been on the short end of the stick a time or two - it sucks to be right and noone listens to you. Then to have the same group implement your efforts for someone else benefit.

Anyway it's a decent read from West.





Q The whole MotoGP season was a disappointment. You're a good rider. It's unfortunate the way it worked out.

A Yeah, yeah. It was real disappointing, because I expected so much this year out of the bike, and how good it went last year, when I first dropped on, I was top ten. I had some good races. And then - so I expected more this year, and it just never happened. They never - never developed the bike the way I wanted, and they never really listened to me in the beginning, until sort of halfway through the season they actually started to realize I'm not talking .... when I'm telling them what's wrong with the bike. They finally started to listen a little bit, but it's a bit too late. They said they're building a bike for the way I like it, but it's not going to be ready 'til next year, and I'm not riding it, so it's no use to me.

Q Did they expect Superman performance on the bike? What were they basing it on, the idea that you were doing poorly? I don't understand. Because Hopkins wasn't performing any miracles on it either.

A Exactly. I don't know. I guess they need to blame someone, and that's me. They think - they always seemed to think their bike was perfect. Hopefully now they're finally starting to realize it's not, because our results haven't been good, and Hopkins hasn't been so good either, and he was fourth last year, and many times on the podium. Yeah. We both struggled on it, and both had a lot of crashes. It was just a difficult season for both of us.

Q Were the bike problems just issues with the front end going into the corner, as was reported?

A It would change on how the bike was set up, but it's - it's just the balance of the bike is all wrong, and they're never going to fix it with just setting it up, with changing suspension. That was the problem. We kept trying to tell them to change the frame, and change this and that, but they wouldn't listen. Or wouldn't listen to me, because I guess I haven't been in MotoGP long enough for them to listen to me. And then finally at the end of the season, last race, the Japanese actually said, "Oh, yeah, we should've listened to you," because everything I've said's been correct. They finally realized that. It took them all season, but...

Q It's got to be frustrating when they would finally say that to you after everything you put in, and got thrown down the road a few times trying to make them happy.

A Yes. Yes.

Q Trying to make them happy.

A Yeah, it sort of pissed me off. But like - yeah, because they finally come to me and said, "Yeah, we should've listened to you in the beginning, and everything that you've said for the season on data and everything, it's been 100% correct on what's wrong with the bike, and we're building a bike for the way you - for your request next year, but sorry, you're not going to be riding it." So it's just been frustrating, because they haven't done enough keep going forward like all the other manufacturers have. So it's just frustrating for us riding the bike. You lose confidence when you already know they're not doing enough to make it go faster, and we're busting our balls trying to ride it.

Q From a rider's standpoint, if they're not trying to build any confidence in you ...

A Yeah. Like if they're coming with parts every weekend, and if they're not working, at least you know they're trying to do something. But -

Q But there weren't parts coming every weekend? You got two major revisions during the season, right?

A I wouldn't say that, no.

Q Really?

A No. I would say we went back to what we had last year. But it's a long story, and I don't really want to say anything bad about Kawasaki. But the revisions that we had were nothing, really. It was basically back to what we know works. Nothing new on the bike.

Q John had some issues on and off the track. He was injured, and he had the paddock incident at Misano or wherever it was. How did that affect the team?

A For sure it didn't do the team any good. Because I don't know. All the mechanics I work with - because I worked with John's side as well, before I switched to the other side - all the mechanics are great guys, and they all work really hard, and they don't make many mistakes. But you can just sort of feel in the team, everyone's a bit disappointed, because Kawasaki don't - just haven't - I don't know. They feel, as well, that they're not wanting to win as much as the other guys do. Like they're there racing, and they're putting a lot of money into it, but they just feel like they're not developing enough to want to win.

Q The passion and the desire perhaps isn't there as it is with other teams.

A Yeah. Yeah. And that's how the whole team, I think, feels, a little bit, as well. And yeah, it just - it's .... when the whole team feels like that. We're just sort of like, "Yeah, this is what we've got, and this is what we have to work with," and we just try and do the best we can each time, but we know we're not going to be at the front, because nothing's changing. So yeah. For everyone it's difficult, and yeah, with things, with John and that, I don't know. He just didn't seem as happy as what he did when he was with Suzuki, as well. It's just made the year even harder for him, and for me.

Q But you're back into a good situation for next year. Back in World Supersport now on a Stiggy Honda.

A Yeah. Should be competitive. I've ridden here before. It's pretty exciting racing here. It's like 125s in GP and that. I'm just looking for a good year, and just to be happy again, because last - this year was - like a great experience, and I'm happy Kawasaki gave me that opportunity to ride MotoGP, and if I had the chance I would still ride with them again. But I'd definitely do it differently. I'd definitely push them a lot harder. And now that I have the experience and be confident that I know what I'm saying's right. Because I've realized that everything I said to them was right. But I'm just looking forward to having a good year next year. And yeah. To have a bit of fun again racing.

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Yeah I read that. Clearly he's a bit bitter but I can't disagree with anything he said.
 
Yeah, I don't think he's talking .... at all and if he's bitter, that's totally understandable.

But well, atleast this gives some hope that maybe Kawa could have a better bike next year?
 

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