West speaks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Craig3089 @ Oct 23 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm only 19 but i remember as a kid i used to love the zx7r. it was so cool looking, still is today, a guy round the corner owns one, red though, not green as a kawasaki should be.
Well you had a good memory for a 4 year old.

Did all you goofs miss the real meaning of Ant's quote? Come on, the 1rst Transcon stoned Hayden Conflab? Come on, Lex? Really? No one?

What Ant said was: "With our bike we've never been able to use the tyres used by [Valentino] Rossi and [Casey] Stoner," he added. "I tried to at Brno, and I would have liked to use them at Misano, but we weren't able anymore... We use a front that no one else uses."

"During testing at Brno I decided to get back to the 2007 bike and my performance has improved, and in fact I've been ahead of [John] Hopkins for the last few races."

If that statement doesn't bugger a lot of the Lex Files I'll be damned.

Lex: "Kawasaki went well at Brno. Brno is mainly all fast turns and it's resurfaced. The 2007 spec are perfect for that track.

This entire post isn't 100% technically sound and a lot of the info is being taken from reliable but not 100% correct sources..."

Uh, Lex, he was using the '08 tyres and the '07 bike at Brno AND, according to the most reliable source I've heard (you got a more "reliable" source than Ant?), Stoner and Rossi were on the same tyres! Fun though they are, methinks your theories are more than a little on the delusional side. If a crap rider like Ant & a crap team like Kawi were getting a front that no one else uses in an attempt by the tyre supplier to improve their performance, why would that same supplier want to stifle any other rider or team's performance?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 24 2008, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopper is better than Marco...Westly just plain sucks
And Hopper & Marko dont?Lets face it the Kawasaki is a pile of .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Oct 24 2008, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't the "unique front" run by Kawasaki just an older design as newer tires are of the stoner/rossi type and they haven't been able to get their bike to behave on them?

It could very well be an older design, but Ant clearly states that in Brno he used the '08 Stoner/Rossi tyres with his '07 spec bike and performance improved. He would have liked to continue to use the S/R tyres in Misano but "we weren't able anymore". This means that they were able to get their bike ('07) to behave on them ('08 tyres). So the real question is why "[they] weren't able [to] anymore"?

Yes I do remember my last post...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Oct 24 2008, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Brno race or in testing? Considering he didn't test on that Monday and had his best result in the race I have a tough time seeing him switching bikes at that point, but who knows?

As to why they werem't able to...they're Kawasaki. They suck.

Did you take the time to read the quotes in the original article?

I'll work backwards on this one, last point first; the reference in the article is to why they weren't able to use the '08 Stoner/Rossi tyres after Brno; for the first point I'll let Ant answer, "During testing at Brno I decided to get back to the 2007 bike and my performance has improved, and in fact I've been ahead of [John] Hopkins for the last few races. He wanted to carry on with the new bike and he has only problems" Meaning Ant has stayed with the '07 bike (no switching) after he adopted during test at Brno. Don't know what day but he did test at Brno, unless his memory is failing him!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Oct 23 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Go Show had a few wins and finished pretty high in the championship after Russel left but thats about it.
Well I was close to mentioning this, but being as though he's a ...... up, thieving junkie scumbag I thought I'd give it a miss.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 23 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did all you goofs miss the real meaning of Ant's quote? Come on, the 1rst Transcon stoned Hayden Conflab? Come on, Lex? Really? No one?

What Ant said was: "With our bike we've never been able to use the tyres used by [Valentino] Rossi and [Casey] Stoner," he added. "I tried to at Brno, and I would have liked to use them at Misano, but we weren't able anymore... We use a front that no one else uses."

"During testing at Brno I decided to get back to the 2007 bike and my performance has improved, and in fact I've been ahead of [John] Hopkins for the last few races."

If that statement doesn't bugger a lot of the Lex Files I'll be damned.

Good to see it's not only me who doesn't buy the Lex Files, and even better when those who does end up looking like the fools they truly are

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Oct 24 2008, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He tested Tuesday but not Monday. Swapping bikes after his best-ever finish seems odd as does swapping bikes but only testing one day out of a two day test, so perhaps by testing he meant practice. Either that or there's an obvious reason that they haven't been able to get the tires working again, since he'd be on a different bike than the last time he ran them.

Interesting interpretation. I read it to mean that he used the '07 bike in Brno but he does say "testing". Well piss on my earlier post. Now I read it as: '08 bike with Stoner/Rossi '08 tyres in Brno; would have liked to use the '08 S/R tyres at Misano but "we weren't able anymore"; so testing on Tuesday goes back to the '07 bike which works better with the non '08 Stoner/Rossi tyres ('07 tyres )

Where's Antfan been hiding.
I have a theory that Antfan was actually Ant West.
Does anyone really believe that Ant West has actually 1 fan out there besides his mum.

Ant should be thanking Kawi for 2 things.
First for plucking him out of obscurity to become a motogp rider which will undoubtedly open doors for him in the future.
Secondly for firing his ... so he could go back to racing again

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 23 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting interpretation. I read it to mean that he used the '07 bike in Brno but he does say "testing". Well piss on my earlier post. Now I read it as: '08 bike with Stoner/Rossi '08 tyres in Brno; would have liked to use the '08 S/R tyres at Misano but "we weren't able anymore"; so testing on Tuesday goes back to the '07 bike which works better with the non '08 Stoner/Rossi tyres ('07 tyres )

No where in Westy's quotes does he say what year tires he is on. The thoery was that Stoner went well on the 07 tires that disappeared for a while then made a resurgents later on in the championship.

This is not the importance of his post though. What is important IMO is that he says he was denied for some reason in Misano to use the same stuff as Rossi and Stoner. No one will know why. But if this is gong to be Bridgestones/Dornas way next year it could get ugly. If Kawasaki were to leave the grid it would hurt MOTOGP. But it would hurt MOTOGP more if Rossi was losing. I'm not saying they feel threatened by West or anything but why not give him the tires that he wants? Something is strange.

On another hand West is a dumb ..... You never burn your bridges like he just did. You think Kawasaki is going to wake up because of a few comments that Westy made. IMO it hurt him a lot to say those things. He should have just said thanks for the time and the opportunity, I want to thank my team for the hard work and I am sorry to them that we couldn't get the results...etc. Of course its good juice for the fans and I hope that he writes a book on how corrupt Dorna is and pays his dad back

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 24 2008, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On another hand West is a dumb ..... You never burn your bridges like he just did. You think Kawasaki is going to wake up because of a few comments that Westy made. IMO it hurt him a lot to say those things. He should have just said thanks for the time and the opportunity, I want to thank my team for the hard work and I am sorry to them that we couldn't get the results...etc. Of course its good juice for the fans and I hope that he writes a book on how corrupt Dorna is and pays his dad back

IMO he didn't earn on the track the right to critizise anything. Sour grapes.

Maybe the ZXRR is not up to MotoGP standard but for sure neither is him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Oct 23 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where's Antfan been hiding.
I have a theory that Antfan was actually Ant West.
Does anyone really believe that Ant West has actually 1 fan out there besides his mum.

Ant should be thanking Kawi for 2 things.
First for plucking him out of obscurity to become a motogp rider which will undoubtedly open doors for him in the future.
Secondly for firing his ... so he could go back to racing again
I actually like Westy. He's certainly not up to the level of MotoGP, but I still like the guy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Oct 24 2008, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO he didn't earn on the track the right to critizise anything. Sour grapes.

Maybe the ZXRR is not up to MotoGP standard but for sure neither is him.
Why not? The kawasaki's a piece of .... and it deserves to be trashed. You'll never know whether he's up to standard riding that bike. I'm glad he said what he has, even though kawasaki will take no notice. They're a massive corporation who haven't put near enough into their effort to produce a race winning machine.
Kawasaki suck and I expect Melandri and Hopper to be right at the back again next season. If they weren't putting money into their effort when the world economy was pumping along, I hardly think they're going to put in the effort next year when the world economy turns to .....
At least West will be winning races next year in a series that is highly contested.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 23 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uh, Lex, he was using the '08 tyres and the '07 bike at Brno AND, according to the most reliable source I've heard (you got a more "reliable" source than Ant?), Stoner and Rossi were on the same tyres! Fun though they are, methinks your theories are more than a little on the delusional side. If a crap rider like Ant & a crap team like Kawi were getting a front that no one else uses in an attempt by the tyre supplier to improve their performance, why would that same supplier want to stifle any other rider or team's performance?

Take my hand, let me walk you through this.

At the beginning of the season I said that the tires had been changed and that Stoner wasn't getting what he was used to get or what he wanted.

Peanut Galery: OMG u cnt. He's getting the same tires. He sucked at Jerez b/c his electronics weren't working. He sucked at Estoril because his camera was loose. He sucked at China because the weather was too cold. He sucked at LeMans b/c he exploded. WHERE'S THE PROOF?!



Yet here we are. Confirmed by BOTH Kawasaki riders. They ride the old 2007 spec and the rider's are convinced that the new spec is the way to go. Obviously, the engineers that run the team know better and that's why Kawi hasn't made a change.

I also said I thought significant changes were made to reduce the amount of tires that the manufacturers could produce and that signals seemed to indicate that the governing body were attempting some type of control tire scenario.

Peanut Gallery: OMG u nutter! This is motogp, they only use custom tires and each one is a special handbuilt model to suit the track for specific conditions. You imbecile, everyone knows that!!!!!!!!!1111

Now we talk about Casey and Vale's front TIRE (singular) TIRE as in 1. Why do they call it a tire (singular)? Probably because it has only 1 carcass construction and the only thing you are allowed to vary is the compound that touches the track. Hmmm..........that sounds familiar. 1 carcass with several different compound variations. Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, in the CONTROL TIRE rules proposed for next season. I'm SHOCKED!!!!!!!!

Ant's interview is a tertiary non-event. I thought Ant was running the 2007 spec and I was quite certain that his performance meant Casey could have gone much faster. I guess now we'll never know whether or not the 2007s would have worked well at Brno b/c it doesn't appear that Ant was running them.

I guess this conspiracy is as good as busted.

BTW I have to pat myself on the back. Based upon the stability of Ant's bike I said that Kawasaki had reverted to the old chassis. TADA.

It took me quite a few rounds to spot it, but it's not like Kawasaki get a lot of camera time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Oct 23 2008, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where's Antfan been hiding.
I have a theory that Antfan was actually Ant West.
Does anyone really believe that Ant West has actually 1 fan out there besides his mum.

Ant should be thanking Kawi for 2 things.
First for plucking him out of obscurity to become a motogp rider which will undoubtedly open doors for him in the future.
Secondly for firing his ... so he could go back to racing again
Well I like Ant west and thought if he had a decent ride without the ........ at Kawi he would have been just fine.

you are all a bunch of girls who seem to just not like riders because of the shoes they where rather than have anything useful to say.

If you all go by performance and not look at the bigger picture then Melandri is by a long way the worst ride in MotoGP just because he's coming last on a bike that wins races by another ride, do you seriously think Melandri will do any better than West/Hopkins on the same bike...NO. He'll look crap again next year.

As for West, he is a good rider on a crap bike period...the only positive from it for him was he lived the dream if only for one year.