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Was Rossi or Bautista at fault or "Racing Incident?"

Motorcycle Grand Punt

  • Valentino Rossi #46 "The Clown"

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  • Alvaro Bautista #19 "The Torpedo"

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  • Racing incident, can't blame either.

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Dr No
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Serious question, Arrabb:


What is there to master in the new qualifying format - aside from the likelihood of more riders on the track at the same time providing more opportunities to be baulked?


The top qualifiers (discounting freak occurrences like CS setting a time at the opening that the rest would spend the rest of the session attempting to match) always seem to hold it all back for the last few minutes.


 


Indeed.  I've heard the argument from several folks and always wondered what specific skill they had in mind.


At first bluch, the procedure isn't exactly rocket science: One or two outlaps to heat the tires and find an opening in traffic, then push like a madman.


Repeat, modifying your outlap pace as necessary to fine tune tire temps.
 
Dr No
3532231370564261

Serious question, Arrabb:


What is there to master in the new qualifying format - aside from the likelihood of more riders on the track at the same time providing more opportunities to be baulked?


The top qualifiers (discounting freak occurances like CS setting a time at the opening that the rest would spend the rest of the session attempting to match) always seem to hold it all back for the last few minutes.


Indeed I agree. I am far from being Valentino's apologist, it is very much something that he alluded to.


 


There is another concurrent thread discussing riders ritual and routine. We do know that Rossi is a creature of habit and very systematic in his approach but conversely, perhaps the segmentation has messed with his head. It all seems to go so quickly and the trammelling of riders into sub-sessions upsets the flow and continuity of the whole. Vale's qualifying historically (prior to Ducati) was very much like Pedrosa in approach, who favoured a measured and progressive approach gauging and appraising the opposition over a session and responding within those wider parameters with a mind set very much focussed on race sim; throughout the weekend the emphasis on the bigger picture being race day contingences and duration. Although JB is often credited as plucking the proverbial rabibit out of the hat come Sunday morning, I believe this owed less to the magical and more to the methodical. Yeah, they still had to address the not insiginificant issue of grid position but very much within their own rhythym as opposed to the new regimented sessions. I don't think this derivative of superpole necessarily suits Dani either but irrespective of race pace and in respect of wringing out one hot lap, the Honda is the best machine in the paddock to mask any major set up woes. - Not that it seems to be plagued by many of late!


 


How much would Loris Capirossi revelled in this new qualifying format!!??
 
Arrabbiata1
3532451370593204

Indeed I agree. I am far from being Valentino's apologist, it is very much something that he alluded to.


 


There is another concurrent thread discussing riders ritual and routine. We do know that Rossi is a creature of habit and very systematic in his approach but conversely, perhaps the segmentation has messed with his head. It all seems to go so quickly and the trammelling of riders into sub-sessions upsets the flow and continuity of the whole. Vale's qualifying historically (prior to Ducati) was very much like Pedrosa in approach, who favoured a measured and progressive approach gauging and appraising the opposition over a session and responding within those wider parameters with a mind set very much focussed on race sim; throughout the weekend the emphasis on the bigger picture being race day contingences and duration. Although JB is often credited as plucking the proverbial rabibit out of the hat come Sunday morning, I believe this owed less to the magical and more to the methodical. Yeah, they still had to address the not insiginificant issue of grid position but very much within their own rhythym as opposed to the new regimented sessions. I don't think this derivative of superpole necessarily suits Dani either but irrespective of race pace and in respect of wringing out one hot lap, the Honda is the best machine in the paddock to mask any major set up woes. - Not that it seems to be plagued by many of late!


 


How much would Loris Capirossi revelled in this new qualifying format!!??


I agree, Rossi's race day audacity was usually based on meticulous painstaking preparation, and i believe he is somebody who likes to have everything under control. Over most of his career he didn't go hard early, but warmed his tyres up carefully, made sure to preserve them for later in the race when others had worn theirs out, dialed himself in, then charged. I don't think that cuts it anymore for anyone particularly with the modern tyres, and he has no option but to go hard early like anyone else if he wants to win.


 


Whether this is a good thing is another question.
 
Arrabbiata1
3532451370593204

Indeed I agree. I am far from being Valentino's apologist, it is very much something that he alluded to.

 

There is another concurrent thread discussing riders ritual and routine. We do know that Rossi is a creature of habit and very systematic in his approach but conversely, perhaps the segmentation has messed with his head. It all seems to go so quickly and the trammelling of riders into sub-sessions upsets the flow and continuity of the whole. Vale's qualifying historically (prior to Ducati) was very much like Pedrosa in approach, who favoured a measured and progressive approach gauging and appraising the opposition over a session and responding within those wider parameters with a mind set very much focussed on race sim; throughout the weekend the emphasis on the bigger picture being race day contingences and duration. Although JB is often credited as plucking the proverbial rabibit out of the hat come Sunday morning, I believe this owed less to the magical and more to the methodical. Yeah, they still had to address the not insiginificant issue of grid position but very much within their own rhythym as opposed to the new regimented sessions. I don't think this derivative of superpole necessarily suits Dani either but irrespective of race pace and in respect of wringing out one hot lap, the Honda is the best machine in the paddock to mask any major set up woes. - Not that it seems to be plagued by many of late!

 

How much would Loris Capirossi revelled in this new qualifying format!!??


Thanks for the reply, Arrabb.

I'll go with that
 

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