Valentino Rossi

spooky said:

I just read that Pig, pretty scathing eh!

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BarryMachine said:

Here is a question for you ........ why do speedway bikes run "laydown" engines these days?

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Geonerd said:

I had in mind the Coriolis forces that supposedly arise from having the front two pistons zipping forward and back...

The gyro effects generated by the various spinning parts are well known and very real.

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Pigeon said:

[size="+1"]Ducati MotoGP: Rossi Gets Gold Mine, Hayden Gets The Shaft[/size]

[size="-1"]by staff[/size]

[size="-2"]Monday, July 09, 2012[/size]

[size="-1"]The Italian motorcycle media, which practices more hagiography than journalism with its reports about Valentino Rossi, has depicted Rossi as possibly the most tortured, aggrieved soul in the MotoGP paddock this season.[/size]

[size="-1"]Rossi supposedly has flipped back and forth between wanting to stay and continue to develop the recalcitrant Ducati GP12 into a possible race-winning GP13 or desiring an escape from Ducati Corse because of a lack of an action plan to fix the bike and perceived ignorance of his advice by Bologna bosses.[/size]

[size="-1"]The portrayal of Rossi as a lost soul is a crock of bullsht. Regardless of performance, he still will get a factory bike, earn an eight-figure salary and attract sponsors like ...-deprived photographers to umbrella girls, regardless of which machine he straddles in 2013.[/size]

[size="-1"]Here's the truth: No MotoGP rider is feeling the impalement of an ungreased shaft more than Rossi's teammate, Nick Hayden.[/size]

[size="-1"]Ducati quietly let the contract option for 2006 World Champion Hayden expire at the end of last month, turning him into a free agent. Hayden should be an attractive fit for any factory or elite satellite team in MotoGP, yet his name isn't being tossed about as a key carrot for hungry teams in many media reports about the Silly Season.[/size]

[size="-1"]Hayden turns 31 on July 30, not ancient by MotoGP standards. He is a premier-class race winner. He is a World Champion. He is the top-ranking and arguably most popular American rider in the World Championship, vital for any manufacturer interested in selling bikes in the U.S. He is a tireless test rider, either leading or near the top of the lap charts at every test. He has said and done all the right things at Ducati, which never has put a competitive dry-weather bike under him during his three seasons with the team.[/size]

[size="-1"]But more importantly, Hayden has been better than Rossi this season on the GP12.[/size]

[size="-1"]Hayden has out-qualified Rossi in six of eight races in 2012 and finished ahead of him in four. It's widely known that a flustered Rossi started to use Hayden's setups earlier this season at some races, even if Rossi's ego wouldn't let him completely admit it. [/size]

[size="-1"]So again, why is Nick Hayden on the outside looking in while stories circulate everywhere about Ducati's two-year offer to Cal Crutchlow and possible interest in British rider Scott Redding, who has won a whopping one race in five seasons in 125cc and Moto2?[/size]

[size="-1"]It makes no sense. Better yet, it's nonsense.[/size]

[size="-1"]The recent fall from grace at Ducati MotoGP is nothing short of stunning. This is a team that vied for wins at their first MotoGP race, won races their first season in the class and dominated to win the title in 2007. Since that point they have, if anything, become less competitive as the seasons pass and almost delusional about their lack of progress. Very early on in his tenure as Rossi's Ducati crewchief, Jeremy Burgess surmised that Ducati's problem pre-2011 was that they never analyzed their failures, only their successes. Has that changed at all? It is absolutely remarkable--and so telling--that they apparently feel that what ails the 2012 Ducati MotoGP bike is not any kind of flawed engineering but that they just don't have the right rider on it, other than Rossi, who has been largely trounced by soon to be off the team Hayden. This is alternative reality, bizarro-world level stuff. [/size]

[size="-1"]In the business world, there are firms that specialize in turning around failing companies. Many times the very first change that these firms make in trying to turn a failing business into a successful one is to fire the entire upper and middle management structure of the failing business. Why? Because they know that it's nearly impossible for managers to come up with creative ways of getting out of problems that their bad ideas created in the first place. If they could have fixed it, they would have fixed it. Now it's time for new engineers and new managers. [/size]

[size="-1"]Fire Hayden. The delusions continue.[/size]

[size="-1"]soup [/size]http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120707feat.htm

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Goatboy said:

Sounds like the person that anonymously wrote that is a member of this forum. Ha.

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BarryMachine, on 02 July 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Here is a question for you ........ why do speedway bikes run "laydown" engines these days?

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HEISMAN said:

It's crap journalism in my opinion.

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Zootalaws said:

Lower COG for one - but in an engine that weighs only around 50kg or less, not as much of a gain as in an I4. And reduced torque/turning moment in the plane that the rider wants to lean - your VSG, in other words.



Any rotational forces will be exactly the same - the crank still rotates, as does the gearbox and wheels.



VSG is the same, but instead of resisting the lean, it is neutral.



Guzzi had that sorted out in the 50s

your VSG is very much real - the problems are with packaging - lay the engine down too much and it interferes with the wheelbase. Hence Yamaha's canted over, rather than lie-down effort.

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chopperman said:

lower centre of gravity.

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Goatboy said:

Sounds like the person that anonymously wrote that is a member of this forum. Ha.

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Goatboy said:

Sounds like the person that anonymously wrote that is a member of this forum. Ha.

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Jumkie said:

Gaz, Heismen, its an opinion piece, the new "journalism". Direct me to a site that reports only the facts about the sport without the element of bias. The piece serves its purpose, which point do u disagree with?

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Gaz said:

Exactly Jum, it is an opinion piece and as such and like many editorial pieces they may border on or not meet what some (myself include) as journalistic quality



Speaking personally, I neitehr agree nor disagree which the comments but simply feel that they are not worthy of being called 'journalistic'

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Gaz said:

Exactly Jum, it is an opinion piece and as such and like many editorial pieces they may border on or not meet what some (myself include) as journalistic quality



Speaking personally, I neitehr agree nor disagree which the comments but simply feel that they are not worthy of being called 'journalistic'

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Jumkie said:

Never took u as a politician but ur sounding like one.

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Jumkie said:

which point do u disagree with?

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Gaz said:

Nah mate, I am all for calling a spade a spade but I also believe that where a site tries to imply that it is unbiased or reputable, then they have to be held accountable for what is printed on the site.



As such, given that SBP seem to want to be considered reputable, then it is not reasonable to try to pass off an opinion piece as a story or fact as it simply diminishes the product and ruins the message.



IMO, a better and fairer way to present that article would have been to simply call it 'an opinion piece by' and name the contributor/writer. That way there is no hiding what the piece is intended to be, nor it's message and it does not open the way for speculation as to who wrote it and why (ie. is it a fluff piece written by a Hayden, a disgruntled fan etc)

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BarryMachine said:

It has nothing to do with lean, it has all to do with what forces are exerted on the bike to stop it going round the arc that is the corner.



You say VSG's are cancelled, let me know how you managed that cos we could make a squidillion in anti gravity machines!!

Not sure its possible to cancel out gyroscopic forces, thats is both their bane and benefit in some pursuits.

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Goatboy said:

Well let's put it this way, I ain't seen Nicky on the podium. It's only rabid foaming Hayden fans that would suggest he has done better than Rossi, as I have pointed out before.



Not to take away from what he has done which is outstanding.

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