Valentino Rossi

hawkdriver said:

The bike has gone through all of two chassis and one of those two was built to mimic the CF, in other words Ducati has one chassis in over one year. They have also updated the electronics. The numbers don't lie the bike is still how many seconds off the leaders? Rossi is saying that Ducati don't trust him and Nicky, Nicky is about to get .... caned and can still not tell the truth about the bike. Ducati have no plan for the front end and the season is about to go by in a flash. Have you ever wondered why Nicky isn't pissed to be on the worst POS bike on the grid and he wants to stay there? The guy has to be .... canned to get him off that factory seat, not even CS who was actually good on the pos wanted to stay there. Nicky is being shown he is expendable like the riders that came before him and he's still hanging on to the ... that feeds him.

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Which is so stupid considering all the offers he's been receiving from Honda and Yahama.

Goatboy said:

My point is that this is not the score of someone getting his ... handed too him as suggested.

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Rossi 61

Hayden 59



Well buddy with all due respect, Your namesake the "goat" is getting his ... beat sometimes handed to him considering ALL the development and resources have gone his way (we should be under no allusion that Rossi is the #1 development rider, or you gonna take the same road as J4rno and say Ducati have done nothing special for the man, which J4rno already has rescinded). You and his fans may not want to accept it my friend, but Ducati have turned over everything for him! Stick your head in the sand,regardless of your denials, the fact of the matter is they have spent millions on it and the only one saying they haven't listened to him is Rossi while his fans echo the ......... So lets see, when should they have scrapped the bike as you suggest? Maybe as soon as Rossi rode it the first 6 months? For half the season Rossi blamed his shoulder, and you guys all bought it, (ok, I digressed, lets take it as face value truth) so is that when they should have scrapped the bike? How in the world could they have known, since their rider was pointing to his should for the bad performance (not the bike). How about the second part of the 2011 season, when they made several attempts to get their chassis to work, even to the point of taking an extra engine as penalty to make improvements under the detrimental engine rules? Remember the GP11.123456+, what was that about? Just fancy names? Ducati sitting on their ...? Is that really fair? Is it then they should have scrapped their bike? Rossi himself said it had excellent points and improvements, only later to say they didn't, which means they had to methodically fix parts of the bike; NOT scrap the whole ....... thing because you think now with benefit of hindsight thats what they should have done from the beginning. But even then, what happened at the end of year one? They scrapped ALL remnants of the Ducati DNA for the man. While J4rno was still screaming that Ducati are not doing anything special for Rossi but rather all these changes (which he conceded were happening) were simply for ALL future Ducati riders to make it more ridable for everybody. They scrapped their bike the FIRST chance they had, which was at the end of 2011. How you guys can sit their with a straight face and say Ducati have done nothing is a bit harsh complete denial mentality.



Would you like to revise history now? Then from the point of making a Japanese clone, something new and foreign to them, they have worked hard to help Rossi, but none of his feedback has worked. (Let me add, his feedback has actually improved the bike, but just not enough to match the great Japanese machines). For them to do all that and still have a bike competing with the Jap bkes within a second is a feat. But again, its not like the Japs are standing still. They are hard at working making improvements of their own. Ducati have been behind, but to say they have done nothing or nothing in particular to Rossi's feedback is nothing more than crazy denial. Rossi has thrown them under the bus, and they should tell him to .... off (sorry, but what would you do if you wre in Ducati's shoes?). Then close up shop and leave GP, a series dominated by rules that have consistently been detrimental to Ducati's prototype (rev limit, spec tire, engine rule, new reve limit, etc).



Maybe its because the VR/JB team have been over hyped? What evidence might we have they didn't know .... they were getting in to, perhaps when Rossi miss spoke talked .... about the Duc's potential, or when JB stuck both feet in mouth saying he could fix it faster than rabbits ....? Bring on 2012, to start the season he was getting uncharacteristically slightly beat spanked by his teammate, then Kropo reported they were forced to use Nicky's settings to get with the program. What does that tell you about the VR/JB famous set-up magic wand? (Sorry, I'm sarcastic by nature, a character flaw of mine). They immediately started having better results. Maybe I'm wrong and Arrabi is right, stupid me for defending Rossi (seriously, I did defend the man), but now I reconsider (no worries, I still admire him for his talent, just can't accept people never holding him responsible for anything bad). Arrabi is right, and I'll add, it appears VR started cruising around since the beginning of the season not just at Silverstone (I'm digressing to bait you). Most of his points coming by way of the pissing down at La Manns (true). Thank God it rained, or those two points gap by the 9X World Champion bla bla bla would look a bit different. Oh wait, that's not admissible in court, haha, ok Pov, lets analyze it all off a time sheet. You guys are so desperate to argue Ducati have done nothing, where would that motivation come from? The FACT is Ducati have revamped the entire bike, from head to toe, or is that the same engine they used last year? To suggest the forums have given Ducati advise to fix their engine? Are you ....... kidding me BarryMachine? Ducati simply haven't done enough to close the gap in a series where the onslaught of development is a must, and their rivals the Japanese have the overwehlming resources. (I mentioned at one point, HRC presented Pedro some 30 chassis to try preseason, that is HRC for you). Just consider for a moment, HRC riders have been complaining 6 races into the season they have a chatter problem that has kept them from riding their bike as they wish (allegedly, I digress too). HRC have been throwing resources hand over fist at the problem with supposedly no solution, what chance does Ducati have with infinitely more complex problems?



Again, I know I'm only typing in chinese to you. Rossi not win, Ducati not listen, they do nothing (I digress, I'm being a ....). I'm all for Ducati ....... off from GP. But they want to hang around, fine, I just hope Nicky wakes the .... up and leaves too. Despite being a Nicky fan, I'm not going to deny stick my head in the sand and simply say Ducati have done nothing to improve their bike, when I can see plane as day they have tried something. Its just not enough to close the gap on their giant rivals.



EDIT: to add, Goatboy, I'm not upset with Rossi, or his fans, I've gone back to clean up my post; but I'm just a bit amazed that a few of you guys can 't see that Ducati have tried and revamped the bike, or as in our fearless journalists words "Ducati have don the unthinkable." That is, real and radical change. Its not an easy proposition to challenge the great Japanese brands of HRC and Yamaha, on top of the fact they have two of the world's best riders. Even if Rossi were on HRC today, he'd still have Casey and Lorenzo to contend with.

hawkdriver said:

The bike has gone through all of two chassis and one of those two was built to mimic the CF, in other words Ducati has one chassis in over one year. They have also updated the electronics. The numbers don't lie the bike is still how many seconds off the leaders? Rossi is saying that Ducati don't trust him and Nicky, Nicky is about to get .... caned and can still not tell the truth about the bike. Ducati have no plan for the front end and the season is about to go by in a flash. Have you ever wondered why Nicky isn't pissed to be on the worst POS bike on the grid and he wants to stay there? The guy has to be .... canned to get him off that factory seat, not even CS who was actually good on the pos wanted to stay there. Nicky is being shown he is expendable like the riders that came before him and he's still hanging on to the ... that feeds him.

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Well I'm not sure my opinion is worth much beyond hating Rossi.



Dude, I hear what I think you may be trying to say, but I'm not sure; and I would suggest that Nicky is loyal to a fault. Same with Hopkins. Nicky is from a different type of thinking, certainly not the type of character that will flourish in terms of politics and assertiveness in the world of GP.



Again, I disagree with your assessment that Ducati haven't done their fair share of attempts at improving the bike under Rossi's particular direction. So we will just have to disagree. I also disagree that Nicky is content with the bike. Do you have a vid pass? Do you listen to the post practice and race interviews? His style is not to get on an Italian show and make some corny chickenshit comic routine to throw Ducati under the bus, but he isn't giving them lip service as you suggest. Today he said again, what he has been saying, and that is the bike needs improvements, and some have come, but their rivals are not standing still. That mean: the bike is NOT good enough, without being a ..... That means: admitting they have made some improvements, but more need to still be made, without being a ..... That mean: his rivals, the Japanese factories, are also improving, at perhaps a faster pace (and I would suggest, as the balance sheets of either companies might indicate).



Ducati factory have, as Kropo and many others in the industry described it: "THE UNTHINKABLE" and scrapped their DNA for the Japanese clone. Not fast enough for you? How long did they take to build the Japanese close, 3 months or 3 years? Give Ducati some credit. Or is that to difficult to do as it might admit that Rossi isn't the king of development as we had all been led to believe?



Btw, If I were Nick, I'd be on the phone to Wsbk BMW and Aprillia. He wants to hang on to GP, the dumb ........

Jumkie said:

Rossi 61

Hayden 59



Well buddy with all due respect, Your namesake the "goat" is getting his ... handed to him considering ALL the development and resources have gone his way (or you gonna take the same road as J4rno and say Ducati have done nothing special for the man, which J4rno already has rescinded). You and his fans may not want to accept it my friend, but Ducati have turned over everything for him! Stick your head in the sand,regardless of your denials, the fact of the matter is they have spent millions on it and the only one saying they haven't listened to him is Rossi while his fans echo the ......... So lets see, when should they have scrapped the bike as you suggest? Maybe as soon as Rossi rode it the first 6 months? For half the season Rossi blamed his shoulder, and you guys all bought it, so is that when they should have scrapped the bike? How in the world could they have known, since their rider was point to his should for the bad performance. How about the second part of the 2011 season, when they made several attempts to get their chassis to work, even to the point of taking an extra engine under the detrimental engine rules? Remember the GP11.123456+, what was that about? Just fancy names? Ducati sitting on their ...? Is it then they should have scrapped their bike? Rossi himself said it had excellent points and improvements, only later to say they didn't, which means they had to methodically fix parts of the bike; NOT scrap the whole ....... thing because you think now in hindsight thats what they should have done from the beginning. But even then, what happened at the end of year one? They scrapped ALL remnants of the Ducati DNA for the man. While J4rno was still screaming that Ducati are not doing anything special for Rossi but rather all these changes (which he conceded were happening) were simply for ALL future Ducati riders to make it more ridable for everybody. They scrapped their bike the FIRST chance they had, which was at the end of 2011. How you guys can sit their with a straight face and say Ducati have done nothing is complete denial mentality.



Would you like to revise history now? Then from the point of making a Japanese clone, something new and foreign to them, they have worked hard to help Rossi, but none of his feedback has worked. For them to do all that and still have a bike competing with the Jap bkes within a second is a feat. But again, its not like the Japs are standing still. They are hard at working making improvements of their own. Ducati have been behind, but to say they have done nothing or nothing in particular to Rossi's feedback is nothing more than crazy denial. Rossi has thrown them under the bus, and they should tell him to .... off. Then close up shop and leave GP, a series dominated by rules that have consistently been detrimental to Ducati's prototype (rev limit, spec tire, engine rule, new reve limit, etc).



Maybe its because the VR/JB team have been over hyped? What evidence might we have they didn't know .... they were getting in to, perhaps when Rossi talked .... about the Duc's potential, or when JB stuck both feet in mouth saying he could fix it faster than rabbits ....? Bring on 2012, to start the season he was getting spanked by his teammate then Kropo reported they were forced to use Nicky's settings to get with the program. What does that tell you about the VR/JB famous set-up magic wand? They immediately started having better results. Maybe I'm wrong and Arrabi is right, stupid me for defending Rossi, but now I reconsider. Arrabi is right, and I'll add, it appears VR started cruising around since the beginning of the season not just at Silverstone. Most of his points coming by way of the pissing down at La Manns. Thank God it rained, or those two points gap by the 9X World bla bla bla would look a bit different. Oh wait, that's not admissible in court, haha, ok Pov, lets analyze it all off a time sheet. You guys are so desperate to argue Ducati have done nothing, were would that motivation come from? The FACT is Ducati have revamped the entire bike, from head to toe, or is that the same engine they used last year? To suggest the forums have given Ducati advise to fix their engine? Are you ....... kidding me BarryMachine? Ducati simply haven't done enough to close the gap in a series where the onslaught of development is a must, and their rivals the Japanese have the overwehlming resources. Just consider for a moment, HRC riders have been complaining 6 races into the season they have a chatter problem that has kept them from riding their bike as they wish (allegedly). HRC have been throwing resources hand over fist at the problem with supposedly not solution, what chance does Ducati have with way more complex problems?



Again, I know I'm only typing in chinese to you. Rossi not win, Ducati not listen, they do nothing. I'm all for Ducati ....... off from GP. But they want to hang around, fine, I just hope Nicky wakes the .... up and leaves too. Despite being a Nicky fan, I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and simply say Ducati have done nothing to improve their bike, when I can see plane as day they have tried something. Its just not enough to close the gap on their giant rivals.

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Good post. Ducati have bent over backwards to try & get their bike performing. It's one thing to bag them for failing, but you can't bag them for effort.

They have been throwing parts & engines at the problem hand over fist. It just hasn't worked.

Jumkie said:

Well I'm not sure my opinion is worth much beyond hating Rossi.

Dude, I hear what I think you may be trying to say, but I'm not sure; and I would suggest that Nicky is loyal to a fault. Same with Hopkins. Nicky is from a different type of thinking, certainly not the type of character that will flourish in terms of treatment in the world of GP.



Again, I disagree with your assessment that Ducati haven't done their fair share of attempts at improving the bike under Rossi's particular direction. So we will just have to disagree. I also disagree that Nicky is content with the bike. Do you have a vid pass? Do you listen to the post practice and race interviews? His style is not to get on an Italian show and make some corny chickenshit comic routine to throw Ducati under the bus, but he isn't giving them lip service as you suggest. Today he said again, what he has been saying, and that is the bike needs improvements, and some have come, but their rivals are not standing still. That mean: the bike is NOT good enough, without being a ..... That means: admitting they have made some improvements, but more need to still be made, without being a ..... That mean: his rivals, the Japanese factories, are also improving, at perhaps a faster pace (and I would suggest, as the balance sheets of either companies might indicate).



Ducati factory have, as Kropo and many others in the industry described it: "THE UNTHINKABLE" and scrapped their DNA for the Japanese clone. Not fast enough for you? How long did they take to build the Japanese close, 3 months or 3 years? Give Ducati some credit. Or is that to difficult to do as it might admit that Rossi isn't the king of development as we had all been led to believe?



Btw, If I were Nick, I'd be on the phone to Wsbk BMW and Aprillia. He wants to hang on to GP, the dumb ........

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Jums that bike is not a Japanese clone, don't believe that because they are using the alu frame it is some type of clone. The bikes are more than just parts there is a job for each one of those parts to do and each bike has it's own characteristics. The Japanese bikes are balanced, and the yam and honda have different characteristics, one is about acceleration the other is more focused on agaility. The Duc has a new frame and engine and electronics but it has the same characteristics of the bikes that came before it, an unbalanced bike. They can use all the parts the japanese bikes are using but still build a ducati as they've proven. The bike is flawed as a result of it's design which remains a Ducati design.

“I simply said that Honda, which already is strong and in theory needs less than us a brought a new frame because they think they still have work to do , because they always want to improve, in the Ducati but there is no plan in this sense. We are going to receive an engine with different characteristics, but regarding the real problem which I told them months ago I still don’t see any solutions on the horizon I repeat: there is no plan,”[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]adding, [/font]“It’s not a question of time, there’s just no ideas to solve the situation. Obviously what we riders are saying isn’t taken into consideration.”

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The is also a rumor in the Italian press from Rossi that some one at Ducati Corse( presi) doesn't want to change the bike.

Ducati is still building the bike with the characteristics they want and the bike is the same. It's the same bike in a new wrapper, how can you say they've done so much for any rider when they wont change what the bike is fundamentally. The "Ducati DNA" is in the design, not the parts.

"Please read us the name of the memo". (<I hope you get the reference)



Response:

Ducati To Bring Radically Revised GP11 For Rossi At Assen





http://motomatters.c...sed_gp11_f.html





Ducati Building Aluminium Chassis As Parallel Project





http://motomatters.c...sis_as_par.html

The focus of much of the fans' anger and the paddock's scepticism has been Ducati's monocoque carbon fiber chassis.

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It appears its still true. And no amount of proof will convince them that Ducati has actually done something to improve the bike for Rossi, yet its been described as: RADICAL CHANGES.

Crucially, the criticism has come not just from outside of Ducati, but both Valentino Rossi and his long-time crew chief Jeremy Burgess as well. Both Rossi and his crew chief have called for Ducati to run a parallel project to design an aluminium chassis to test whether such a chassis would bring an improvement. By running two different projects in parallel, the argument runs, the pace of development of the Desmosedici could greatly increased as the data from the two projects is analyzed.

It appears that Rossi and Burgess are to get their wish.

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Yeah, but Jum, they haven't done anything "radical". When you turn on the switch, it just turns on and gives off light like the previous light bulb. They havn't listened to Rossi at all.

i've skimmed these posts. So heres my thoughts, ducati and rossi dont mix. ...., god knows im a rossi fan...his poster is above my bed, and ducati have met rossi's demands, just not the way he wanted. I am a huge fan of the ducati and aprilia mind set, building beautiful bikes for the "normal" person is great, and i really love it, but the effort has not fit his needs. Rossi needs a bike that he can feel. Rossi fan or not, we need to see a rossi that can excite us, so he needs to say goodbye to ducati. The dream team was just a nightmare.

I have it on file, JB interview from Laguna last year. He says very clearly, "we have the same forks as everyone else, a control tire, we have 'the engine' and we have 'the rider'. I think what we need is a more conventional (alloy) chassis".



Well seems to me Ducati are gave them everything they asked for. But now its the engines fault, after a long list of its this or its that. Remember at one point it was because Rossi is taller than midget Stoner. Haha sorry couldnt resist.



Ducati already would have spent millions developing the current engine as a non stressed member, after they already had to dump the GP12 engine as a stressed member. Now people expect them to dump it again after only 7 races for a new narrow v because its been 'obvious' all along thats what they needed? Not even mighty Honda would redevelop an entirely new engine after only 7 races.



Whether its 90 degree or 75 degree, will a V engine bike ever have the same weight distrubution as an I4? At the very start Rossi said "I dont expect Ducati to build me a Yamaha, I must adapt to the Ducati". Why didnt he just tell the truth from the start and save them so much hassle?

Jumkie said:

"Please read us the name of the memo". (<I hope you get the reference)



Response:

Ducati To Bring Radically Revised GP11 For Rossi At Assen





http://motomatters.c...sed_gp11_f.html





Ducati Building Aluminium Chassis As Parallel Project





http://motomatters.c...sis_as_par.html



It appears its still true. And no amount of proof will convince them that Ducati has actually done something to improve the bike for Rossi, yet its been described as: RADICAL CHANGES.









GP11 vs GP12

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Yeah, but Jum, they haven't done anything "radical". When you turn on the switch, it just turns on and gives off light like the previous light bulb. They havn't listened to Rossi at all.

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LMAO one of those bulbs is much more efficient than the other, not the same at all.

You can't deny that the bike is suffering from the same problems it's always had and that the one common theme of the Ducs is that they were all designed by Presi. Like I said before, same long and low design and anyone can look at the bike and see that.

birdman said:

I have it on file, JB interview from Laguna last year. He says very clearly, "we have the same forks as everyone else, a control tire, we have 'the engine' and we have 'the rider'. I think what we need is a more conventional (alloy) chassis".



Well seems to me Ducati are gave them everything they asked for. But now its the engines fault, after a long list of its this or its that. Remember at one point it was because Rossi is taller than midget Stoner. Haha sorry couldnt resist.



Ducati already would have spent millions developing the current engine as a non stressed member, after they already had to dump the GP12 engine as a stressed member. Now people expect them to dump it again after only 7 races for a new narrow v because its been 'obvious' all along thats what they needed? Not even mighty Honda would redevelop an entirely new engine after only 7 races.



Whether its 90 degree or 75 degree, will a V engine bike ever have the same weight distrubution as an I4? At the very start Rossi said "I dont expect Ducati to build me a Yamaha, I must adapt to the Ducati". Why didnt he just tell the truth from the start and save them so much hassle?

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Maybe CS should be forced to use the same chassis he started the season on too. While we're at it he should be using the same swing arm as well. My point is you can't just put something on the bike and expect it to work because it's different. These bikes are constantly evolving, hence prototype racing if you haven't been paying attention. Now if you remember the first alu chassis was bulit to replicate the CF chassis and the results were the exact same, the next chassis included an improved engine position and the bike stopped having the mysterious front end crashes and this is where they are now. So it's now time for further changes. Whether the 90 degree engine layout is to blame is yet to be seen as much as everyone wants to speculate, but suzuki did experiment with a 90 degree V and discarded the idea because they said it produced an unbalanced bike. If they dont want to change the bike they'll just have to keep changing riders and it looks like Cal is gonna be up next, good luck to him.

hawkdriver said:

LMAO one of those bulbs is much more efficient than the other, not the same at all.

You can't deny that the bike is suffering from the same problems it's always had and that the one common theme of the Ducs is that they were all designed by Presi. Like I said before, same long and low design and anyone can look at the bike and see that.

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I'll take it as you got nothing friend. Moving the goal post a bit? What, no comment on the fact Ducati have made many "radical" changes for "Rossi"?

hawkdriver said:

Maybe CS should be forced to use the same chassis he started the season on too. While we're at it he should be using the same swing arm as well. My point is you can't just put something on the bike and expect it to work because it's different. These bikes are constantly evolving, hence prototype racing if you haven't been paying attention. Now if you remember the first alu chassis was bulit to replicate the CF chassis and the results were the exact same, the next chassis included an improved engine position and the bike stopped having the mysterious front end crashes and this is where they are now. So it's now time for further changes. Whether the 90 degree engine layout is to blame is yet to be seen as much as everyone wants to speculate, but suzuki did experiment with a 90 degree V and discarded the idea because they said it produced an unbalanced bike. If they dont want to change the bike they'll just have to keep changing riders and it looks like Cal is gonna be up next, good luck to him.

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All valid arguments, but more or less the point that is being made is that ducati don't have the resources to build multiple chassis mid-season as honda can even if they wanted to, and in fact as jumkie says several rule changes have favoured honda and yamaha over them, particularly the control tyre and the limited engine rule, and there was even a move to take away the only advantage they had, the greater mechanical efficiency of the desmo valve system, when a rev limit was proposed after the 2007 season.



I am a long-term ducati fan but won't be again, while marlboro is sponsoring them, after 2009; it serves me right for ignoring the involvement of marlboro prior to this just because stoner was riding for them . Their situation is as it has always been, it is just that now that valentino rossi, an unquestionably great rider and developer, is there this has been put into stark relief, and it has become obvious to everyone that this is a 4 bike or less series, with not even the second factory honda or yamaha rider necessarily always getting full support.



If you want to argue that rossi will have wasted 2 years of his career there I will agree. I would also argue that loyalty by stoner not returned by marlboro or ducati's senior management has significantly contributed to the by some arguments premature end of his career.

BarryMachine said:

Last night Parrish said that the rumour going round thepaddock was Rossi to Repsol Honda ............. and Marquez ............ so, maybe Dorna traded the dropping of the rookie rule, and Marquez to Repsol, if Honda give Rossi a ride.



If so ......... what of Pedrosa?



Be scared Honda, look what Rossi has done for Ducati!!!

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I said this in the rule change thread. I would not put this past Dorna. As for Pedrosa, he has had his chance and not come up with the goods. To be honest it doesn't look like he ever will. He is a solid 2nd or 3rd place man like Biaggi was.

chopperman said:

I said this in the rule change thread. I would not put this past Dorna. As for Pedrosa, he has had his chance and not come up with the goods. To be honest it doesn't look like he ever will. He is a solid 2nd or 3rd place man like Biaggi was.

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Rossi would be a better fit to take the fight to Lorenzo while Marquez gets his head around the formula.

But what would happen to Pedrosa? Would he be a shot at Yamaha alongside Lorenzo?

Frizzle said:

Rossi would be a better fit to take the fight to Lorenzo while Marquez gets his head around the formula.

But what would happen to Pedrosa? Would he be a shot at Yamaha alongside Lorenzo?

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No, i reckon it will be Dovi who will be Lorenzos team mate. Perdrosa To Gesini probably on a factory sat bike. Repsol will let him go if they now have Marquez and Rossi flying their colours.

chopperman said:

No, i reckon it will be Dovi who will be Lorenzos team mate. Perdrosa To Gesini probably on a factory sat bike. Repsol will let him go if they now have Marquez and Rossi flying their colours.

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If I was Yamaha I'd take Pedrosa before Dovi if given the choice. If Pedrosa thinks Honda may dump him he will be talking to Yamaha for sure.

Going to Gresini to make way for Rossi & Marquez will not go down well. I agree he has had more than enough chances to win a title & hasn't got it done.

But I bet he will be gunning for Spies seat first & foremost.

chopperman said:

I said this in the rule change thread. I would not put this past Dorna. As for Pedrosa, he has had his chance and not come up with the goods. To be honest it doesn't look like he ever will. He is a solid 2nd or 3rd place man like Biaggi was.

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I read somewhere yesterday that it is Marquez asking HRC for Rossi - no idea on truth or not but that was what was written.



If so, what does that say for Marquez' opinion of Pedrosa?







IMO. A team of Marquez and Rossi would be interesting but whether Rossi would accede to it is another thing altogether

Gaz said:

I read somewhere yesterday that it is Marquez asking HRC for Rossi - no idea on truth or not but that was what was written.



If so, what does that say for Marquez' opinion of Pedrosa?







IMO. A team of Marquez and Rossi would be interesting but whether Rossi would accede to it is another thing altogether

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I haven't followed moto2 much, and marquez may well be very good, but he would have to be better than a young valentino rossi and krsr combined to win the championship for honda on a bike so different from a moto2 bike on such different tyres in his rookie season.

michaelm said:

I haven't followed moto2 much, and marquez may well be very good, but he would have to be better than a young valentino rossi and krsr combined to win the championship for honda on a bike so different from a moto2 bike on such different tyres in his rookie season.

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I doubt HRC are expecting Marquez to win the championship in his rookie season, just show signs of improvement that makes the title look achievable within the next 2 or 3 years. Marquez can learn a lot from Rossi as his team mate.

michaelm said:

I haven't followed moto2 much, and marquez may well be very good, but he would have to be better than a young valentino rossi and krsr combined to win the championship for honda on a bike so different from a moto2 bike on such different tyres in his rookie season.

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Agree Michael and the same article hinted at an agreement with Rossi to be around for two years maximum before handing everything over for Marquez to go forward - to me it sure sounds feasible (the Rossi part) but very short sighted (the Marquez part).