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Hawk Talps, with all due respect gentz, im not sure how u can say Ducati does NOT listen given the revolutionary changes they've made in a year and a half: Duc DNA-engine stress member GP11.1234567+ to Jap DNA-twin spar. No update? I dont take to much stock in VR/JB saying Duc dont listen when we have an entirely new bike on the tarmac. I suppose Rossi would have been listening if he were at the front? Rather convenient? I know this isnt popular with VR fans, but my opinion is his 'development' skills are grossly overrated. Plus the man has himself distanced himself from this notion by saying hes not an engineer.



I agree with Talps saying the regs have made things infinately detrimental and geting worse for Ducati. So much so that It almost looks like a force out, which it should look like to Ducati. If they had more smarts they would try the "threaten to quit" tactic used so effectively by Rossi and Honda to push back a bit. I guess they are content in everybody saying theyre not doing enuf for Rossi to the point of begging him to stay so they can prove they are not listening to him? Strange relationship these Italians. Along this vein, my dear and respected friend Arrabi says Rossi's cruising around is some kind of leverage tactic. Perhaps he is right, though it defies logic when his teammate is out qualing him and finishing higher in the race order half the time (lets shelve that mysterious electronic glitch for now). What exactly is Rossi trying to say cruising around; 'Listen to me guys, ur bike is .... even though Im not always the top guy on the brand.' We already know the bike is ...., because regardless if its Nicky, Rossi, or Barbera as the top Ducati, its never in the top five barring some hurricane. Now they have allowed the pick up option to expire on Nicky and put a 2 year offer on the table for Crutchlow. I havent got Arrabis take on it, but from my fanboy perspective, im disgusted by the blatant overlooking of their most loyal rider who is matching the man many consider the Goat sequestered on a mule. If Ducati really dont listen, then i hope to God they offer Rossi double his salary making the money difficult to turn down and Cal goes for it to, leaving Nicky to a forced retirement. I'd keep watching of course savoring every second of failure at Ducati. Something i cant do completely now as they employ the man i root for.
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Goatboy said:
Ducati championship standings after British GP:



6. Rossi 58

9. Hayden 49

10. Barbera 37

17. Abraham 4
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I can only assume you're pointing to the 9 point gap between Flossi and Haystack.

"B.F.D."

Yea, 9 points is 9 points, but the margin is not of particular statistical significance.

As I recall, Hayden has suffered one or two strange malfunctions. Without these issues, he might well be leading the team.
 
Jumkie said:
Hawk Talps, with all due respect gentz, im not sure how u can say Ducati does NOT listen given the revolutionary changes they've made in a year and a half: GP11.1234567+ I dont take to much stock in VR/JB saying Duc dont listen when we have an entirely new bike on the tarmac. I suppose Rossi would have been listening if he were at the front? Rather convenient? I know this isnt popular with VR fans, but my opinion is his 'development' skills are grossly overrated. Plus the man has himself distanced himself from this notion by saying hes not an engineer.



I agree with Talps saying the regs have made things infinately detrimental and geting worse for Ducati. So much so that It almost looks like a force out, which it should look like to Ducati. If they had more smarts they would try the "threaten to quit" tactic used so effectively by Rossi and Honda to push back a bit. I guess they are content in everybody saying theyre not doing enuf for Rossi to the point of begging him to stay so they can prove they are not listening to him? Strange relationship these Italians. Along this vein, my dear and respected friend Arrabi says Rossi's cruising around is some kind of leverage tactic. Perhaps he is right, though it defies logic when his teammate is out qualing him and finishing higher in the race order half the time (lets shelve that mysterious electronic glitch for now). What exactly is Rossi trying to say cruising around; 'Listen to me guys, ur bike is .... even though Im not always the top guy on the brand.' We already know the bike is ...., because regardless if its Nicky, Rossi, or Barbera as the top Ducati, its never in the top five barring some hurricane. Now they have allowed the pick up option to expire on Nicky and put a 2 year offer on the table for Crutchlow. I havent got Arrabis take on it, but from my fanboy perspective, im disgusted by the blatant overlooking of their most loyal rider who is matching the man many consider the Goat sequestered on a mule. If Ducati really dont listen, then i hope to God they offer Rossi double his salary making the money difficult to turn down and Cal goes for it to, leaving Nicky to a forced retirement. I'd keep watching of course savoring every second of failure at Ducati. Something i cant do completely now as they employ the man i root for.
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If Ducati does .... all over Nick, are you gonna scrap your 848 and send the crushed cube back to Bologna?



I really hope they don't, but the BS excuse they've offered, blaming the Audi takeover for their neglect of #69, makes me think they are quite capable of anything.



( Why is it that damn near everything about MotoGP has been pissing me the .... off lately?
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Jumkie said:
Hawk Talps, with all due respect gentz, im not sure how u can say Ducati does NOT listen given the revolutionary changes they've made in a year and a half: GP11.1234567+ I dont take to much stock in VR/JB saying Duc dont listen when we have an entirely new bike on the tarmac. I suppose Rossi would have been listening if he were at the front? Rather convenient? I know this isnt popular with VR fans, but my opinion is his 'development' skills are grossly overrated. Plus the man has himself distanced himself from this notion by saying hes not an engineer.



I agree with Talps saying the regs have made things infinately detrimental and geting worse for Ducati. So much so that It almost looks like a force out, which it should look like to Ducati. If they had more smarts they would try the "threaten to quit" tactic used so effectively by Rossi and Honda to push back a bit. I guess they are content in everybody saying theyre not doing enuf for Rossi to the point of begging him to stay so they can prove they are not listening to him? Strange relationship these Italians. Along this vein, my dear and respected friend Arrabi says Rossi's cruising around is some kind of leverage tactic. Perhaps he is right, though it defies logic when his teammate is out qualing him and finishing higher in the race order half the time (lets shelve that mysterious electronic glitch for now). What exactly is Rossi trying to say cruising around; 'Listen to me guys, ur bike is .... even though Im not always the top guy on the brand.' We already know the bike is ...., because regardless if its Nicky, Rossi, or Barbera as the top Ducati, its never in the top five barring some hurricane. Now they have allowed the pick up option to expire on Nicky and put a 2 year offer on the table for Crutchlow. I havent got Arrabis take on it, but from my fanboy perspective, im disgusted by the blatant overlooking of their most loyal rider who is matching the man many consider the Goat sequestered on a mule. If Ducati really dont listen, then i hope to God they offer Rossi double his salary making the money difficult to turn down and Cal goes for it to, leaving Nicky to a forced retirement. I'd keep watching of course savoring every second of failure at Ducati. Something i cant do completely now as they employ the man i root for.
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His job isn't to be an engineer it's to tell the engineers what he needs and they are supposed to give it to him. You keep bringing Nicky into this and at the same time saying what about the results? Nicky is beating him while doing what, staying the same speed and coming with the same excuses after every session, what was today's excuse? Nicky seems pleased to be making some money and being a company man, after what I read today I'm less of a fan and for him to say he's gonna be upset if he isn't there when the bike finally comes round is a crock of ..... Him and Ducati can continue to piss down each others backs but the rest of us know it aint raining. Rossi is giving you the truth about the situation at Ducati and you hate him so much you are the one not looking at the reason for the results. Nicky is telling them what they want to hear so he can continue to cash their checks, just keep trying harder Nicky the bike will come good sooner or later. You saying he's beating Rossi by a few tenths while at the same time saying Rossi is just out circulating doesn't say much for Nicky and his skill set, not to mention where he managed to put the bike on the grid today. From day one Rossi said they couldn't get the front and back of the bike to work at the same time and here we are today with the same problems. So I ask you how much has the bike really changed? Four chassis and the engine is tilted and pushed forward, still the longest and lowest bike on the grid and still the same .... results.
 
Its pissing me off too Geo. i dont own an 848, but wish i did. Sold the 749 already. Saving up for a 1199 after 2nd production used models hit cycletrader.



Despite the GPbikes not being competitive to Yam/Hon, ive done my fair share of defending the brand in multiple fronts: David vs Goliath, mom & pop vs Big Business, Soulless vs Passion, Detrimental regs vs Honda reg masters, etc. After they threatened rev limits in 07 & lost their tire supplier in 08, then engine limits (detrimental to their design) im not sure why they continued in GP. I suppose Stoner was winning enuf to impair their senses. Now Carmelo tring to ponch their desired rider surely costing them an unecessary wage escalation on VR should be enough to send them packing. Instead they are content with the antagonistic relationship. I really do hope they get Cal, and if the man stays in character, we will be hearing him tell us what he thinks of Ducati in the same way he told us today what he thinks of Hector Barbera. Im sure u read the quote by now. Anyway, it may be a blessing for Nicky to move on. I just wanted him to move on to Wsbk under a Ducati banner. God knows how much the Flammini bros like their Italian brands. But now its looking like even that is not in the cards. Oh well.



Hawk, i disagree. I think Ducati have tried to make changes, just not good enough to close the gap. Nicky has said theyve made improvements but that their rivals have also improved. Thats different than Rossi claiming they simply arent listening. I think u take too much stock in Rossis smart public manipulations of thought, as u seem to be buying it. I said Arrabi claims Rossi is cruising for leverage. Of the two factory Duc riders, i consider Nicky to be the more honest straight talking one, but i guess the public manipulations Rossi is known for (hence my reference to Arrabi) is working since u've swallowed VRs claims that its not him, its Ducati. Well, explain the changes and improvements then. Fact is, their rivals are not standing still, exactly how Nicky is explaining.



I hate rossi? Ah, going to the lazy card dude? What if i say ur too blinded by ur worship? Does that make me right now? C'mon dude. Anyway, Saying Nicky is just happy to cash a check, i guess thats where our exchange diverges so much as not to be worth discussing.
 
Jumkie said:
Hawk Talps, with all due respect gentz, im not sure how u can say Ducati does NOT listen given the revolutionary changes they've made in a year and a half: Duc DNA-engine stress member GP11.1234567+ to Jap DNA-twin spar. No update? I dont take to much stock in VR/JB saying Duc dont listen when we have an entirely new bike on the tarmac. I suppose Rossi would have been listening if he were at the front? Rather convenient? I know this isnt popular with VR fans, but my opinion is his 'development' skills are grossly overrated. Plus the man has himself distanced himself from this notion by saying hes not an engineer.



I agree with Talps saying the regs have made things infinately detrimental and geting worse for Ducati. So much so that It almost looks like a force out, which it should look like to Ducati. If they had more smarts they would try the "threaten to quit" tactic used so effectively by Rossi and Honda to push back a bit. I guess they are content in everybody saying theyre not doing enuf for Rossi to the point of begging him to stay so they can prove they are not listening to him? Strange relationship these Italians. Along this vein, my dear and respected friend Arrabi says Rossi's cruising around is some kind of leverage tactic. Perhaps he is right, though it defies logic when his teammate is out qualing him and finishing higher in the race order half the time (lets shelve that mysterious electronic glitch for now). What exactly is Rossi trying to say cruising around; 'Listen to me guys, ur bike is .... even though Im not always the top guy on the brand.' We already know the bike is ...., because regardless if its Nicky, Rossi, or Barbera as the top Ducati, its never in the top five barring some hurricane. Now they have allowed the pick up option to expire on Nicky and put a 2 year offer on the table for Crutchlow. I havent got Arrabis take on it, but from my fanboy perspective, im disgusted by the blatant overlooking of their most loyal rider who is matching the man many consider the Goat sequestered on a mule. If Ducati really dont listen, then i hope to God they offer Rossi double his salary making the money difficult to turn down and Cal goes for it to, leaving Nicky to a forced retirement. I'd keep watching of course savoring every second of failure at Ducati. Something i cant do completely now as they employ the man i root for.
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I agree, only to a point.
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The changes made last season are now very interesting to contemplate. In fact, what did they actually change last season? The Swing arm-minorly, some different mounts on the Carbon chassis thing, an aluminum version of the same .... design......and? I can't really recall anything else-and certainly nothing fundamental, which is no doubt what has been requested.



As we all know most of those changes-and the subsequent propaganda afterwards was all ........ spin, as the bike went nowhere-how much they spent is debatable-with so little to see, they only just managed to build a new chassis for this season-and haven't upgraded it yet.....! How many new chassis have the Honda boys had to play with in the last 18 months? 15....20?



The engine is not looking like its going to change, and hasn't much since last season either. As Hawk says the same set-up problems are being related to the engineers week-in week out-and no plausible solution has been forthcoming now for over 18 months......in this world-you simply cannot afford to sit still, and that's exactly what Ducati are doing......only they are saying the opposite. I believe that they have given up on competing under these regs and are rolling around waiting for Rossi to move on so they can promote an underdog and hope that they get the odd fortunate result. No doubt Rossi's and the teams demands have scared the .... out of the R & D team, and they have found themselves in far to deep water......Suzuki knew it, Kawasaki knew it, Ducati i'm sure are now realizing it too.
 
Well Talps my friend, don't put me in a situation to defend Ducati.
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Anyway, I think Ducati is in a no win situation. They are hated by Stoner fans for not listening to him and screwing up his career the years he rode for them, and now that Rossi failed to perform on the brand, they are doomed by all sides. In their recent bullshiting to Nicky, offering his seat to Crutchlow while trying to retain Rossi, is a smack in his face, they would get no sympathy from me either. However, I disagree with your assessment that Ducati haven't done enough. And now I'm repeating myself. In 2011, they couldn't do much in terms of chassis because of the detrimental engine regs. And even then, they tried, even having Rossi start from the pit in exchange for an attempt to improve the bike "chassis". You must think all those changes came out of somebody's imagination not named Rossi. It sounds like you think they were bolting things on that Rossi wasn't requesting, as you say, they have not listened to him. Going to a full twin spar and changing everything on the bike isn't enough because Rossi is not leading the field, so naturally the blame is on Ducati. None of the responsibility on Rossi, and that is the situation they got when they signed a man that will never be given the responsibility of poor development, its simply impossible he could be wrong. They really should quit, as they are doomed. Yet, there they are, trying to retain the man, I guess its double down time.



Now regarding the changes, they are plentiful, but none have worked. They have tried to solve the problem of the front end. Nothing about the Stoner's GP10 Rossi tested at Valencia is bolted on the GP12. Why the front is still a problem should be placed in part at Rossi's feet, but then again, if you say they haven't listened to him, then I guess with that logic he is blameless. And that is really what it comes down to, everything right is because of Rossi, everything wrong is because of Ducati. I haven't been called a Rossi hater probably for nearly two years, but I guess my reasoning was too much for Hawk today.



Talps, the updates are not .... out of some magic ........ They have got to come from rider feedback transformed into the very complex business of engineering a solution. HRC had some 30 chassis available to Pedro before the season started a couple of years ago. That is simply something Ducati cannot do in terms of magnitude. They have given plenty of updates but simply none have worked to close the gap fast enough while the HRCs of the world are able to offer their riders that kind of development breath and scope. The Ducati has improved, but as Nikcy said, so have their rivals.



Again, if Ducati were smart, they would get out of GP.
 
I don't hate Ducati. I would love to see Stoner back on a Ducati screamer. I think they screwed the pooch when they started trying to adapt the bike to make it easier to ride by bringing in the big bang engine. This was the begining of their slide. I think they would have been better off trying to sort the handling of the bike & retaining the screamer. Getting rid of the screamer was getting rid of the only advantage they had, beside the tyres.
 
Geonerd said:
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I can only assume you're pointing to the 9 point gap between Flossi and Haystack.

"B.F.D."

Yea, 9 points is 9 points, but the margin is not of particular statistical significance.

As I recall, Hayden has suffered one or two strange malfunctions. Without these issues, he might well be leading the team.
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I thought "if" was inadmissable as evidence? Or is that just when applied to Rossi? See my above post to find the statistical significance.
 
Jumkie said:
Well Talps my friend, don't put me in a situation to defend Ducati.
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Anyway, I think Ducati is in a no win situation. They are hated by Stoner fans for not listening to him and screwing up his career the years he rode for them, and now that Rossi failed to perform on the brand, they are doomed by all sides. In their recent bullshiting to Nicky, offering his seat to Crutchlow while trying to retain Rossi, is a smack in his face, they would get no sympathy from me either. However, I disagree with your assessment that Ducati haven't done enough. And now I'm repeating myself. In 2011, they couldn't do much in terms of chassis because of the detrimental engine regs. And even then, they tried, even having Rossi start from the pit in exchange for an attempt to improve the bike "chassis". You must think all those changes came out of somebody's imagination not named Rossi. It sounds like you think they were bolting things on that Rossi wasn't requesting, as you say, they have not listened to him. Going to a full twin spar and changing everything on the bike isn't enough because Rossi is not leading the field, so naturally the blame is on Ducati. None of the responsibility on Rossi, and that is the situation they got when they signed a man that will never be given the responsibility of poor development, its simply impossible he could be wrong. They really should quit, as they are doomed. Yet, there they are, trying to retain the man, I guess its double down time.



Now regarding the changes, they are plentiful, but none have worked. They have tried to solve the problem of the front end. Nothing about the Stoner's GP10 Rossi tested at Valencia is bolted on the GP12. Why the front is still a problem should be placed in part at Rossi's feet, but then again, if you say they haven't listened to him, then I guess with that logic he is blameless. And that is really what it comes down to, everything right is because of Rossi, everything wrong is because of Ducati. I haven't been called a Rossi hater probably for nearly two years, but I guess my reasoning was too much for Hawk today.



Talps, the updates are not .... out of some magic ........ They have got to come from rider feedback transformed into the very complex business of engineering a solution. HRC had some 30 chassis available to Pedro before the season started a couple of years ago. That is simply something Ducati cannot do in terms of magnitude. They have given plenty of updates but simply none have worked to close the gap fast enough while the HRCs of the world are able to offer their riders that kind of development breath and scope. The Ducati has improved, but as Nikcy said, so have their rivals.



Again, if Ducati were smart, they would get out of GP.
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Jum you're missing the point, yes they have worked hard & introduced many updates. However they seem to be very slow at altering their engineering philosophy. It's almost as if they don't want to admit that in some aspects they were ever wrong.



How many months have I been reading about the V engine from the knowledgable people here & on other sites? Over a year it must be, still Ducati persists.



Now I must awayyyy, to smoke many cigarettes.
 
Goatboy said:
Jum you're missing the point, yes they have worked hard & introduced many updates. However they seem to be very slow at altering their engineering philosophy. It's almost as if they don't want to admit that in some aspects they were ever wrong.



How many months have I been reading about the V engine from the knowledgable people here & on other sites? Over a year it must be, still Ducati persists.



Now I must awayyyy, to smoke many cigarettes.
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Yes. The main change they made was to ditch the frameless concept, but that was as much because of Rossi's suggestions, as because of the engine rule that makes such a concept impractical. And even that, it took a long time to do. The only thing that would have been a real departure was to change the engine architecture: make it a narrow V. But that has not even been considered it seem, so the bike still sits low and long, as it always did.



Five World Champions have ridden the factory Ducati since 2007: Capirossi, Stoner, Hayden, Melandri, Rossi. The only one who was successful is Stoner. They changed enough riders, time to change something else.
 
Jumkie said:
Hawk Talps, with all due respect gentz, im not sure how u can say Ducati does NOT listen given the revolutionary changes they've made in a year and a half: Duc DNA-engine stress member GP11.1234567+ to Jap DNA-twin spar. No update? I dont take to much stock in VR/JB saying Duc dont listen when we have an entirely new bike on the tarmac. I suppose Rossi would have been listening if he were at the front? Rather convenient? I know this isnt popular with VR fans, but my opinion is his 'development' skills are grossly overrated. Plus the man has himself distanced himself from this notion by saying hes not an engineer.



I agree with Talps saying the regs have made things infinately detrimental and geting worse for Ducati. So much so that It almost looks like a force out, which it should look like to Ducati. If they had more smarts they would try the "threaten to quit" tactic used so effectively by Rossi and Honda to push back a bit. I guess they are content in everybody saying theyre not doing enuf for Rossi to the point of begging him to stay so they can prove they are not listening to him? Strange relationship these Italians. Along this vein, my dear and respected friend Arrabi says Rossi's cruising around is some kind of leverage tactic. Perhaps he is right, though it defies logic when his teammate is out qualing him and finishing higher in the race order half the time (lets shelve that mysterious electronic glitch for now). What exactly is Rossi trying to say cruising around; 'Listen to me guys, ur bike is .... even though Im not always the top guy on the brand.' We already know the bike is ...., because regardless if its Nicky, Rossi, or Barbera as the top Ducati, its never in the top five barring some hurricane. Now they have allowed the pick up option to expire on Nicky and put a 2 year offer on the table for Crutchlow. I havent got Arrabis take on it, but from my fanboy perspective, im disgusted by the blatant overlooking of their most loyal rider who is matching the man many consider the Goat sequestered on a mule. If Ducati really dont listen, then i hope to God they offer Rossi double his salary making the money difficult to turn down and Cal goes for it to, leaving Nicky to a forced retirement. I'd keep watching of course savoring every second of failure at Ducati. Something i cant do completely now as they employ the man i root for.
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After all this time - my gut instinct tells me that Rossi and Burgess have likely made many good suggestions but Ducati's engineers are incapable of thinking outside the box. The Ducati DNA is simply cannot be re-assembled and nothing short of creating a whole new engine that would permit the use of a more standard frame and geometry will break their losing streak.



Offering 7 figures to Crutchey is essentially an obverse variety of the changing lifeboats on the Titanic equation. They need to stop wasting money on MotoGp racing, shut down the team for two years and put their energy into creating a new engine.
 
Goatboy said:
My point is that this is not the score of someone getting his ... handed too him as suggested.
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Not getting his ... handed to him by other Ducati riders. Doesn't count for much in the big picture.
 
Crutchlow as a team mate would not be good for Rossi at Ducati.



Carmelo will not let Rossi get stuck on the Ducati.
 
GeePee said:
Crutchlow as a team mate would not be good for Rossi at Ducati.



Carmelo will not let Rossi get stuck on the Ducati.
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Last night Parrish said that the rumour going round thepaddock was Rossi to Repsol Honda ............. and Marquez ............ so, maybe Dorna traded the dropping of the rookie rule, and Marquez to Repsol, if Honda give Rossi a ride.



If so ......... what of Pedrosa?



Be scared Honda, look what Rossi has done for Ducati!!!
 
BarryMachine said:
Last night Parrish said that the rumour going round thepaddock was Rossi to Repsol Honda ............. and Marquez ............ so, maybe Dorna traded the dropping of the rookie rule, and Marquez to Repsol, if Honda give Rossi a ride.



If so ......... what of Pedrosa?



look what Rossi has done for Ducati!!! Be scared Honda,
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Jumkie said:
Its pissing me off too Geo. i dont own an 848, but wish i did. Sold the 749 already. Saving up for a 1199 after 2nd production used models hit cycletrader.



Despite the GPbikes not being competitive to Yam/Hon, ive done my fair share of defending the brand in multiple fronts: David vs Goliath, mom & pop vs Big Business, Soulless vs Passion, Detrimental regs vs Honda reg masters, etc. After they threatened rev limits in 07 & lost their tire supplier in 08, then engine limits (detrimental to their design) im not sure why they continued in GP. I suppose Stoner was winning enuf to impair their senses. Now Carmelo tring to ponch their desired rider surely costing them an unecessary wage escalation on VR should be enough to send them packing. Instead they are content with the antagonistic relationship. I really do hope they get Cal, and if the man stays in character, we will be hearing him tell us what he thinks of Ducati in the same way he told us today what he thinks of Hector Barbera. Im sure u read the quote by now. Anyway, it may be a blessing for Nicky to move on. I just wanted him to move on to Wsbk under a Ducati banner. God knows how much the Flammini bros like their Italian brands. But now its looking like even that is not in the cards. Oh well.



Hawk, i disagree. I think Ducati have tried to make changes, just not good enough to close the gap. Nicky has said theyve made improvements but that their rivals have also improved. Thats different than Rossi claiming they simply arent listening. I think u take too much stock in Rossis smart public manipulations of thought, as u seem to be buying it. I said Arrabi claims Rossi is cruising for leverage. Of the two factory Duc riders, i consider Nicky to be the more honest straight talking one, but i guess the public manipulations Rossi is known for (hence my reference to Arrabi) is working since u've swallowed VRs claims that its not him, its Ducati. Well, explain the changes and improvements then. Fact is, their rivals are not standing still, exactly how Nicky is explaining.



I hate rossi? Ah, going to the lazy card dude? What if i say ur too blinded by ur worship? Does that make me right now? C'mon dude. Anyway, Saying Nicky is just happy to cash a check, i guess thats where our exchange diverges so much as not to be worth discussing.
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The bike has gone through all of two chassis and one of those two was built to mimic the CF, in other words Ducati has one chassis in over one year. They have also updated the electronics. The numbers don't lie the bike is still how many seconds off the leaders? Rossi is saying that Ducati don't trust him and Nicky, Nicky is about to get .... caned and can still not tell the truth about the bike. Ducati have no plan for the front end and the season is about to go by in a flash. Have you ever wondered why Nicky isn't pissed to be on the worst POS bike on the grid and he wants to stay there? The guy has to be .... canned to get him off that factory seat, not even CS who was actually good on the pos wanted to stay there. Nicky is being shown he is expendable like the riders that came before him and he's still hanging on to the ... that feeds him.
 

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