Understanding of riders, help required please.

Championship points table should give you a few clues.

Or watch a race or 2. A pattern will emerge. Or you can do what Chops suggested, probably take a lot less time.

Rossi

Well if you put Rossi aside, like chopper says the championship standing shows what is going on. Lorenzo, Stoner, Rossi and Pedrosa are the top four riders and they are called the "aliens", and by the way Collin Edward's bike is a piece of ...., so his true position might not be where it is at this moment.

Hope it helps

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Rossi

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Nice I can somehow see uncle Carmelo saying just that if a newbie fan asked him to describe his sport.

There's three kinds of people: dicks, ......., and ......... ....... think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to .... all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your ........, Chuck. And all the ........ want us to .... all over everything! So, ....... may get mad at dicks once in a while, because ....... get ...... by dicks. But dicks also .... ........, Chuck. And if they didn't .... the ........, you know what you'd get? You'd get your .... and your ..... all covered in ....!

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Angel, here is the deal. The riders 1-10 in the standings are all pretty good, and almost close to equal in talent and ability, with a few differences, mainly race craft. But its the machine they ride accounts for most if not all of the differences you see on the track and finishing order. First of all there are two major types of entries, some called "prototypes" (all purpose built machines from head to toe) and the others called CRTs (production derived engine with a prototype chassis). For example, the factory Honda and Yamaha are the best (there has been a debate as to which of the two factories is the best, each position splitting hairs, so lets just say for the sake of argument they are about equal to eachother). Then, their own satellite Yamaha & Honda teams are next best, with the edge going to the Yamaha (probably because they simply have better riders). Then there is a major performance gap to the next machines, starting with factory Ducati, followed by their even worse satellite machines. The next performance gap splits up the CRT entries into another set of tiers in terms of performance. The top of the CRTs is the Aspar team using Aprillia derived engines. Then again, there is a major performance gap to the rest of the CRTs. There are some very good riders on CRTs too, but you won't know it from the finishing order. For example, Randy Depuniet, and as you mentioned, Collin Edwards would probably be in the top 7 if they were on satellite Yamahas. So this should give you a real good clue as to what accounts for the championship standings.



Oh, and the term "alien" is a lazy inaccurate superficial way for people to describe the top riders. Usually, the list include Casey, Pedro, and Lorenzo, though some people will include Rossi in that group. But you can see he is 7th in the standings, so as you can see, this term "alien" is in fact a ........ lazy term that does little to describe the actually reality of the sport in terms of its best riders. It is no coincidence that 3 of the 4 "aliens" are on the best factory bikes, while the one missing "alien" is on a Ducati. Again, the parity of the machines they ride should give you a clue about the performance of the bike, but not necessarily the talent and ability of the rider compared to the rest. Just a thought, but I contend, if you were to put all of the currently riders that people describe as "aliens" on a factory Ducati, none would win, maybe not even podium all season, except maybe Casey Stoner. What does that tell you about this term "alien" then?

Crutchlow for Prime Minister

Angel said:

Okay this may not be the right place to ask this, if that is the case I am really sorry.



As someone new to this form of racing I see all the names of riders, I know some of them from odds and ends I've read over the time but I am yet to understand who are the frontrunners, who are the midfield so to speak, and who are the also rans that make up the numbers at the back of the grid for whatever reason.



This is asking for trouble (you're not all going to agree but no fisticuffs please) could any of you sort of give me a broad idea of who falls into each category? It would be very helpful in helping me to understand things.



Thanks to anyone who can help

Oh and the team they ride for would be helpful too, I want to learn all about this sport.

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Wait a minute, hold on. You mean to tell me that you are a chick? !! Can you give yourself a high five for me?



You should of gotten into MotoGP a few years earlier....... cuz to be honest, it pretty much sucks now. Being in the top 4 means crap now. There's really only 2 competitive teams that can win, HRC Honda & Yamaha (factory).



Plus with CRT's coming on-board, it's become a joke..... they are practically a different breed of machines mixed in with prototypes in order to just fill in the grid. MotoGP has become a feakin' circus now with all their rule changes every year just to try to put on a good show, it's not real racing anymore..... it's become a bit of an 'artificial' racing like in Formula 1.



BTW..... are you single?

I thnk that searching a bit about past years, would be helpful,..as the riders position standings now wont help in fully understanding their talents..

Many PS members maintain a large library of race vids going as far back as the two-stroke era. If you want to get 'caught up' on the sport, ask some of your UK brethren to send you some DVDs full of race videos, interviews, and other MotoGP material.

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Oh, and the term "alien" is a lazy inaccurate superficial way for people to describe the top riders. Usually, the list include Casey, Pedro, and Lorenzo, though some people will include Rossi in that group. But you can see he is 7th in the standings, so as you can see, this term "alien" is in fact a ........ lazy term that does little to describe the actually reality of the sport in terms of its best riders. It is no coincidence that 3 of the 4 "aliens" are on the best factory bikes, while the one missing "alien" is on a Ducati. Again, the parity of the machines they ride should give you a clue about the performance of the bike, but not necessarily the talent and ability of the rider compared to the rest. Just a thought, but I contend, if you were to put all of the currently riders that people describe as "aliens" on a factory Ducati, none would win, maybe not even podium all season, except maybe Casey Stoner. What does that tell you about this term "alien" then?

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Thank you Jumkie for explaining about the Alien term, I just said what I have heard in the press and from the commentators. I also believe they are just names, like for example Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are called the Top 4 or Big 4 or whatever in the English premier soccer league!

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See I could argue that point about the top four footie teams and say Liverpool shouldn't be there, but Spurs should

But I get your point, thanks

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Well, yeah, Teams like Manchester City and Spurs are playing much better than Liverpool these days. According to the emoticon I'm starting to get the feeling that you are a Spurs fan and therefor you hate Arsenal, Right ?

i would say look at the standings from the past few years, that should give you an idea...also i think on motogp's website they have rider bios

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There's three kinds of people: dicks, ......., and ......... ....... think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to .... all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your ........, Chuck. And all the ........ want us to .... all over everything! So, ....... may get mad at dicks once in a while, because ....... get ...... by dicks. But dicks also .... ........, Chuck. And if they didn't .... the ........, you know what you'd get? You'd get your .... and your ..... all covered in ....!

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lol perfect timing ....i just cracked up