Under-Rated and Over-Rated Riders

I agree with you that others need more support. After going on my little rant a few weeks ago, and then sending my anit rossi riot to the bbc the commentators did seem to give stoner less of a hard time. Saying that is was easier to learn to stop having accidents than to learn to having to go fast.

I wouldn't say Gib's is over-rated now but he could have done with more support when he was the only one taking the fight to Rossi. I remember one battle when he was setting up to draft and pass Rossi but a back marker (Roberts I think) then was using him for the tow and prevented him from overtaking. I exploded with rage at the telly but it seemed no one else cared because it was only Gib's and everyone loves Rossi.

I also find talk of Ellison embarassing.

And I agree with you for Nicky Hayden. People seem to dismiss him because he has the all powerful honda team backing yet never used this excuse to dismiss Rossi when he won with them.

Shinya Nakano is the most underrated rider in MotoGP. Hopefully his hissy fit in the pit box after his ZX-RR broke down mid race yesterday made him realize what a POS he is riding and he'll get wise and move to a Honda. No offense Kawasaki fans, it's frustrating watching a talented rider struggle on a mid pack bike.

Most overrated rider? I've said Sete Gibernau for years and now that I feel like I've been proven right, I feel bad. Really seems to be a top class guy and just can't catch a break. In 2006, I don't think there is an overrated rider. Hopkins has had a lot of hype behind him and hasn't done much but that's mostly due to his POS ride, he's probably the closest to being overrated but I don't think he qualifies for that title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Jul 24 2006, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Under-Rated Riders:

4. Jose Luis Cardosa - He could be a world champion 6 times if the crowd were behind him.

Over-Rated Riders:

1. Valentino Rossi - But he's a character and a hell of a rider still!
Post who you think is over and under rated and discuss here!
you're right with rossi. some people are making a god of him and worship him like he realy is one. they forget that he is just human and can be beaten too!

the jose luis thing, I can't follow you with that. he seems to be a good rider, no bad riders can get a motogp ride. but a 6 time world champion?? I would be VERY surprised if he could get a better bike and a top 10 finish...

the most overrated? I say randy de puinet. that dude falls off his bike almost every race! what was kawasaki thinking when they got him, only because he comes from france??? to bad we can't name him crashey

I'm with ooost on the nakano thing. nakano is a briliant rider, but the kawa's aren't up there at the moment. give him a honda and he will be fighting for victory's

Marijke I think Alex was being sarcastic there.
Not even Cardoso's mom believes he can win 6 championships!!!

Overrated:

Rossi: The guy is brilliant but many seem to think he is perfect (which he isn't)

Elías: This year has turned to be a flop, I expected much more from him.

Hopkins: Vermeulen is just a rookie and he is doing clearly better than Hopper. Plus he couldn't beat ole Roberts Jr.

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Underrated:

Capirossi: The guy just keeps beating teammates ... and Sete is a tough cookie.

Vermeulen: The best SJK rider along with Hayden on the GP grid IMO.

Hayden: He is leading the championship by a mile. Can't be just down to luck.

have you ever taken into account these few facts...


1)put rossi and <u>anyother</u> rider on the same bike....rossi would blow them away

2) without rossi's obsene luk this year <u>(DUE TO HIS BIKE)</u> who would be leading the championship....????


and in referrence to rossi being an overstated rider....just take a little look back in the history books of all his accomplishments, then take a look at the other 'under-rated' riders books.....and there is yous answer....

to say tht rossi is an over rater rider...is a big old pile of ....

But take this into account, give anyone else the team Rossi has surrounding him and they will be instantly quicker.

75% is rider...(rossi is such a natrual racer) and then 25% is the input of burgess and yamaha

then, they WORK together AND thats what has made yamaha so good....


if the rider duznt tell the team what needs to be changed then they are screwd...full stop.

take a look at edwards.....hes in the same team as rossi....how is he doing this season?!


if you took rossi out of the yamaha team...and left edwards...how do you think they would be doing in this championship?!

i think the answer is easy to find

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Jul 24 2006, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Underrated:

Capirossi: The guy just keeps beating teammates ... and Sete is a tough cookie.

Vermeulen: The best SJK rider along with Hayden on the GP grid IMO.

Hayden: He is leading the championship by a mile. Can't be just down to luck.


agree with all those teo! no one wants to give hayden much credit this season apart from the hayden fans. think the guy has been superb. capirossi is one of my favourite riders anyway.

Edwards has none of the same guys as Rossi, each rider has his own crew in the team. Rossi's is handpicked by Valentino, including Burgess, Edwards gets what Yamaha give him.

What do you guys feel about John Hopkins? I have pesonally met him at last years usgp and i would have to say i like him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Jul 24 2006, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you guys feel about John Hopkins? I have pesonally met him at last years usgp and i would have to say i like him.

seems like a nice bloke. have seen a few interviews with him.

I will leave Rossi out of this due to him being in a class of his own.


Under

Nakano clearly a great talent on his day.

Moley I think he will get better so long as the Shitzuki improves

Capirossi Gives his all time and time again like a terrier with a bone.

KRJ He's clearly not dead yet, but a race win...maybe not.

Marco another hard grafter and a proven race winner.

Nicky well he's winning and a great ambassader for the sport.

Dani just smile mate.


Over


Sete passed his best I have to say and when the pressure is on he cannot cope.

De Puniet Not sure why he is in the championship..

Ellison sorry James lets see you on a top bike for a couple of races then we can make a clear evaluation.

Colin although he has done ok he still hasn't got that maiden victory and a couple of seasons back in WSB will do him good.


Undecided

Hopper

Checa

Elias

Tamada

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 24 2006, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Edwards has none of the same guys as Rossi, each rider has his own crew in the team. Rossi's is handpicked by Valentino, including Burgess, Edwards gets what Yamaha give him.


you seem to have ignored half of what i have said....


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dazza @ Jul 24 2006, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I will leave Rossi out of this due to him being in a class of his own.
Under

Nakano clearly a great talent on his day.

Moley I think he will get better so long as the Shitzuki improves

Capirossi Gives his all time and time again like a terrier with a bone.

KRJ He's clearly not dead yet, but a race win...maybe not.

Marco another hard grafter and a proven race winner.

Nicky well he's winning and a great ambassader for the sport.

Dani just smile mate.
Over
Sete passed his best I have to say and when the pressure is on he cannot cope.

De Puniet Not sure why he is in the championship..

Ellison sorry James lets see you on a top bike for a couple of races then we can make a clear evaluation.

Colin although he has done ok he still hasn't got that maiden victory and a couple of seasons back in WSB will do him good.
Undecided

Hopper

Checa

Elias

Tamada


you talk a lot of sense.....i agree with the majority of what youve said all what you said about melandri....he is so brilliant....

i would love to see him in on a few british superbike races....he would be excellent!

i think hes one of those riders like rossi who has kept their style throughout their careers....they still have fun and are rather wild at times....

im sure hed be an excellent champion in the near future

^ Liking Marco then


He's grown as a rider on me he's witty, pretty down to earth and a future champ in my book, and has adapted to the big bikes form the 250 class unlike Biaggi.

This is what Biaggi should have been as a motoGP rider instead of a whining git.

pahahahaha!

i think he was orite.....but yes, me mainly did moan that he wasnt getting the best parts...and the glares he gave to vale were extremely ammusing...

i will not start on sete and his actions last year...


just wanted to say that i thought KATO was brill......what a waste of a fukin bright talent....

if he was still with us....i know he would be up there fighting for the championship

xXx

Let me try and classify the entire grid, in no particular order.

Valentino Rossi - Overrated. I'm sorry, great rider, great talent no doubt, but anybody who is rated as much as he is by some people is overrated.
Colin Edwards - Overrated. Seems a nice guy and all, consistent finisher, but thats about it. On the same bike that Rossi can challenge with for the title, he's challenging the midpack.
Nicky Hayden - Underrated. He deserves so much more credit. Consistently on the podium, I don't think MotoGP has ever seen a more consistent season from someone.
Dani Pedrosa - Neither. He's a real talent for the future, but I wouldn't say he lacks rating by anyone.
Chris Vermeulen - Underrated. On a real bike, this guy would in my opinion be challenging for an end of season podium. A real talent, missed because of his poor bike.
John Hopkins - Undecided. Seems to be a good rider, but no evidence yet. Don't know if its the bike or him.
Shinya Nakano - Underrated. If his bike wasn't so useless I'm sure we'd be seeing a lot more of him.
Randy De Puniet - Overrated. I had high hopes for him at the start of the year, but he's really failed to get anywhere. His place should go to someone more deserving.
Marco Melandri - neither. A good rider who gets as much credit as he's due. Great performance this season, even through injury.
Toni Elias - Overrated. I thought he'd do well this season on a good bike, but he hasn't found form.
Makoto Tamada - Underrated. He needs a good bike to get results.
Kenny Roberts Junior - Underrated. He may be on his daddy's team bike, but he still has the skill to compete with the best of them. He'll be back...
Casey Stoner - Underrated. Give him some credit, for a rookie season, on a bike with no expectations, to achieve what he did is incredible.
Carlos Checa - Underrated. Worst tyres, rubbish team, finished in the points every race. Simply a brilliant performance by him this year. Needs a better bike next year.
James Ellison - Overrated. Sorry, but anyone who finishes last on the grid each race (Cardoso not included) cannot be rated, especially when his teammate gets top tens.
Alex Hoffmann - Neither. Like Aston Villa in the English league. He's always there.... but nobody actually notices him, the camera's never focus on him, and nobody is aware of his presence.
Jose Luis Cardoso - Neither. What can you say? "Why is this guy allowed near the paddock?" may be a good way to start, with maybe a "shouldn't he get a bike license?" also in there somewhere. Can't be overrated, nobody rates him. Can't be underrated, there's a reason nobody rates him.
Sete Gibernau - Overrated. Last year, as soon as he hit the front of the pack, he got nervous and lost it. This year, he just hasn't hit the front of the pack at all.
Loris Capirossi - Neither. Gets a lot of credit, he deserves it too.

That took a long time! Better appreciate it!

Great analysis on all riders. in Cardoso's case, it must be pretty easy to get into Moto GP then. Anyone with some money can race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 25 2006, 02:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Edwards has none of the same guys as Rossi, each rider has his own crew in the team. Rossi's is handpicked by Valentino, including Burgess, Edwards gets what Yamaha give him.

totally agree.