Title defeat no concern for Casey Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Sep 26 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I normally dont participate in these kind of discussions, but you are really past the line. Do you have to drag Rossi into any discussion? What is it in your brain that keeps you fixataed on him like this- it seems that you live your life thinking about Rossi every minute of the day. Very sad.
Perhaps you are not aware of the plethora of discussions that are created as a dig at Stoner, like this one. So now what, you're gonna get butt hurt because people don't want to play along with the Rossi fan's agenda?

Take a look again at the tone of the first post in this thread, now ask yourself the same question you ask Lex.. What makes YOU so "fixated" on Rossi that even when his rival is all but beat, you have to have Rossi fans kick him in the head and look to distort his interviews to find some kind of .... to take a dig at? It goes both way Evolution. Sorry 46, but it came off to me this way, and I think Lex was in a bad mood and wasn't having it. (It may be because he is frustrated with his political party who's candidate (McBush) showed what an arrogant ... he was this evening in the presidential debates).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 27 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you my wife by any chance? I started calling her number 46 this afternoon but she didn't get it. If somebody says something and one must interpret that as being the absolute most harmful, maleficent injurious thing ever said you must be female at the very least and giving your husband a hard time. Poor bloke, I pity him.

He said title or not the job is all the same (winning races). Casey has always taken the Doohan line of not caring about championships, winning races is first and championships look after themselves.

We actually had a debating series on TV in Australia (World Series Debating?) – great comedy and it’s where you should actually be judged for what you say. This is motorcycle racing and the job is winning races – you know – riding a muddaboike. You shouldn’t give up trying to win races even though the championship is lost. That’s a contrary but (more than) equally valid interpretation.

Perhaps you should let Casey (an Australian) speak to his fans (mostly Australians) without trying to interpret for us. I understand what he is saying, I think he has got the right attitude and you do a miserable job as an interpreter.
Cultures Andy Roo? I'm pretty sure we both have a different kind. That's my interpretation. If that doesn't go your (Aussie) way, than I'll take it back.
That's why I love this forum. You can 'meet' people around the world with their different cultures here.
Oh and I never giving my WIFE a hard time

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 27 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...Sorry 46, but it came off to me this way, and I think Lex was in a bad mood and wasn't having it. (It may be because he is frustrated with his political party who's candidate (McBush) showed what an arrogant ... he was this evening in the presidential debates).
No worries Jum. Hey you still owe me that 'wayne rainey' street sign !? or maybe I'm gonna find by myself.. ..oh and great Indy post. Keep up!

I think we are misinterpreting what Stoner said. It is not wise to go after him saying that he doesn't respect his fans. Great sportsmen around the world treat every game as JUST a game. If they start thinking more they might lose focus on what they are achieving. It is fair for Stoner to say that he doesn't really care. Afterall Rossi is going to win. So, why to add fuel to illogical speculations. definitely every sportsmen pushes him/her self to the max. But, treating every race as just a race is nothing wrong. Rather it is a good thing. Stoner knows what to do and what not. Why are we beating the bush around Stoner. Give the poor guy a break.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Sep 26 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>QUOTE
Asked if he hoped Rossi would clinch the title on Sunday in Japan rather than the 29-year-old claiming a sixth premier class world crown in front of Stoner’s home crowd in Australia next weekend, Stoner added: “I really don’t care. Each race is the same to me. We just enjoy some tracks more than others, but we have to do the same job every weekend.”

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...So he doesn't give a .... to all his fans who will come to see him in his home circuit? That's a shame...:
I'm glad he has Hayden to teach him a little bit next year...
any ideas on what stoner said before this little "gem"? that could have put an entirely different slant on your interpretation
i also read that as he doesnt care about where rossi wins the title, he just wants to win every race he can. how you got "So he doesn't give a .... to all his fans who will come to see him in his home circuit" seems a bit of a spiteful leap to me..

leon & Bigal, read my earlier reply to Andy Roo.
And hey, sorry to all Stoner's fans here

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Sep 27 2008, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>leon & Bigal, read my earlier reply to Andy Roo.
And hey, sorry to all Stoner's fans here

no worries #46 i retract my statement too!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 27 2008, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(It may be because he is frustrated with his political party who's candidate (McBush) showed what an arrogant ... he was this evening in the presidential debates).

I didn't watch the debates.

My mood was: Rossi fans don't reason so I'm going to indulge in some fundamental attribution error.

It was quite satisfying.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 26 2008, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hyper critical when he's winning.

Hyper critical when he's losing.

Stoner can do whatever the hell he wants. He's the fastest man in motogp and he's just riding around in circles until he gets his wrist fixed for the 2009 season.

Isn't this exactly how you like Stoner---defeated? What's the problem?

I seem to remember Rossi packing it in at the end of last season. He didn't even bother to finish at Valencia. He just came in and handed 2nd to Pedrosa. The year before that he chucked it down the road with the title on the line.

Now that the governing body is back in his corner, Rossi is a great champ and Stoner is a defeated chump? Your life must be awful. I can't imagine getting worked up over Stoner's work ethic---this isn't politics, nobody has to vote him on to the bike. Who gives a damn, if he wanted to quit he could. He doesn't have to smile for the camera every lap. Unlike Rossi, Stoner is not on DORNA's payroll.

In 2003 Rossi had dyed hair, he wore rad shades with a backward cap, and he took swings at other riders. In 2004 he showed up with no earings, no shades or backward cap, and no hair dye, and a cleverly disguised salon quality hairdo. Tell me he wasn't put on the DORNA payroll to bring Yamaha back to life and put some drama in the championship chase.

Ezy has created a marketing monster.

Oh yeah, back to Stoner. He can do whatever Rossi is allowed to do. If he wants to bin it in Valencia to protest his early season tire problems, I'd better not here any grumbling.

On a side note, this sounds like a Mladin interview. Is Mladin his uncle or something?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 27 2008, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not anti-Rossi. He's the greatest of the greatest. People have been dying to work with him b/c he an enormous talent and a great winner.

During 2006 and 2007 he had so many tantrums that he had exhausted his a lot of his clout in the paddock. He had a slow bike during both seasons and Michelin had decided they wanted to spend more time developing for Pedrosa and the 800cc formula.

It wasn't the first time he had experienced hardship, but it was the first time someone ever told him no (Bridgestone). He had a complete meltdown and started threatening Ezy. Unfortunately for everyone else in the paddock, Rossi didn't actually want to retire, he just wanted to force his rapid lap dog to make Bridgestone give him tires.

His episodes at the end of last season are hush-hush b/c people in the press know better than to take a swipe at the golden boy. You can't make a good living if you alienate the man who controls 50% of the fan base. You can't even ask him for an interview if you anger his political puppet.

The end of 2007 was just another challenge in his career and yet he fell to pieces probably b/c Stoner was horsewhipping him on the race track and Michelin were putting him out to pasture.

He wrote the final chapter in his career. The ending sucks and thanks to his stupid political wrangling the legitimacy of his achievement is in question.

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Fascinating stuff Lex. I gotta ask though, do you have even the tiniest bit of proof to you brilliant ideas, you keep say the same things over and over but I've yet to see you back it up, and here even say that Valentino threatened Ezy. How come your the only one that knows such things?
Keep at it man, if anything else it makes for fun reading.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Sep 27 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>leon & Bigal, read my earlier reply to Andy Roo.
And hey, sorry to all Stoner's fans here

I retract also. I do make the point that my wife does give me a hard time. If you don't get that you have one up on me.

I went to a party last night and was walking home, I took a short cut through the local cemetery and the ground shook and opened up and the devil himself rose out of the fetid pit. I continued to drink my stubbie and said (in best Aus) 'owyagoin'

He said, "Don't you know who I am?"

I said "sure, I do"

He said, "Why aren't you scared then?"

I said, "Why would I be, I've been married to your sister for 15 years".



Cheers and beers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 28 2008, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I retract also. I do make the point that my wife does give me a hard time. If you don't get that you have one up on me.

I went to a party last night and was walking home, I took a short cut through the local cemetery and the ground shook and opened up and the devil himself rose out of the fetid pit. I continued to drink my stubbie and said (in best Aus) 'owyagoin'

He said, "Don't you know who I am?"

I said "sure, I do"

He said, "Why aren't you scared then?"

I said, "Why would I be, I've been married to your sister for 15 years".



Cheers and beers
think someone spiked your drink matey

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 28 2008, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>think someone spiked your drink matey


I had to drink 20 of them to find the spiked one though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 28 2008, 07:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I retract also. I do make the point that my wife does give me a hard time. If you don't get that you have one up on me.

I went to a party last night and was walking home, I took a short cut through the local cemetery and the ground shook and opened up and the devil himself rose out of the fetid pit. I continued to drink my stubbie and said (in best Aus) 'owyagoin'

He said, "Don't you know who I am?"

I said "sure, I do"

He said, "Why aren't you scared then?"

I said, "Why would I be, I've been married to your sister for 15 years".



Cheers and beers
No worries mate ..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Sep 27 2008, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fascinating stuff Lex. I gotta ask though, do you have even the tiniest bit of proof to you brilliant ideas, you keep say the same things over and over but I've yet to see you back it up, and here even say that Valentino threatened Ezy. How come your the only one that knows such things?
Keep at it man, if anything else it makes for fun reading.

No, some of it is stuff I made up just to go fishing. Dorna orchestrating Rossi's move to Yamaha for instance.

Rossi threatening Ezy was a widely reported rumor. True? If you use Babel's test. It was in the press, it counts. Rossi definitely pressured Ezy to get him different tires. Bridgestone said no several times, then after all the emergency technical meetings 1 rider is added to the Bstone lineup. I'm sure Bridgestone simply had a change of heart.

Rossi's antics to get Ezy to change is tires are widely regarded as true by quite a few legit journos. Noyes is probably the most notable. He used to work for Dorna so I trust his assessment.

and i thought mylexicon was fixated on blowing Nickys exhaust every minute of the day

lol some people need to take a chill pill and get on with things that actually matter. As for the OP, Stoner is treating it like a racer should. Each race is as significant as the next, he is hardly not caring for his fans by that comment. Only someone with mental difficulties would think like that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ospi @ Sep 28 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lol some people need to take a chill pill and get on with things that actually matter. As for the OP, Stoner is treating it like a racer should. Each race is as significant as the next, he is hardly not caring for his fans by that comment. Only someone with mental difficulties would think like that.
I don't know exactly who you refer to, but perhaps "someone with culture adaptation difficulties" would suit better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 28 2008, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, some of it is stuff I made up just to go fishing. Dorna orchestrating Rossi's move to Yamaha for instance.

Rossi threatening Ezy was a widely reported rumor. True? If you use Babel's test. It was in the press, it counts. Rossi definitely pressured Ezy to get him different tires. Bridgestone said no several times, then after all the emergency technical meetings 1 rider is added to the Bstone lineup. I'm sure Bridgestone simply had a change of heart.

Rossi's antics to get Ezy to change is tires are widely regarded as true by quite a few legit journos. Noyes is probably the most notable. He used to work for Dorna so I trust his assessment.

Noyes, the one that for less than 24 h ago reported that the control tire proposal for sure were thrown away?
The only reason you trust him is that his speculations fit yours. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

Edit: Your most moderate speculations I might add. I suspect you are more or less the only one to come up with the rest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 28 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, some of it is stuff I made up just to go fishing. Dorna orchestrating Rossi's move to Yamaha for instance.

Rossi threatening Ezy was a widely reported rumor. True? If you use Babel's test. It was in the press, it counts. Rossi definitely pressured Ezy to get him different tires. Bridgestone said no several times, then after all the emergency technical meetings 1 rider is added to the Bstone lineup. I'm sure Bridgestone simply had a change of heart.

Rossi's antics to get Ezy to change is tires are widely regarded as true by quite a few legit journos. Noyes is probably the most notable. He used to work for Dorna so I trust his assessment.


Lex one question. Why do you waste your time watching and supporting Motogp if your so sure that its all rigged?

As a side note, I see nothing wrong with how Rossi got his Bridgestones, he obviously knew what he was doing and how important the switch was, if I was in his place I would have made damn sure to use everything in my power to get the change. It was a key factor to winning this championship.

If you wanna ..... about someone using their influence what about Pig,Pedders and HRC
What threats must they have made to get the tyres mid season

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Sep 28 2008, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex one question. Why do you waste your time watching and supporting Motogp if your so sure that its all rigged?
As a side note, I see nothing wrong with how Rossi got his Bridgestones, he obviously knew what he was doing and how important the switch was, if I was in his place I would have made damn sure to use everything in my power to get the change. It was a key factor to winning this championship.

If you wanna ..... about someone using their influence what about Pig,Pedders and HRC
What threats must they have made to get the tyres mid season


Ive asked this question many times. It's easier to just ignore it.

Maybe one day it may meet a girl and go and bore her to death instead of the folk in here.

Pete

I feel bad for Stoner. He pretended to act like was a happy guy after yet another domoralizing defeat this time in Motegi. He was putting on a face so that the viewers will stop talking bad about him, but you can clearly see he overdid it with his interactaction with Rossi. He is a broken horse....no longer a free spirit, very sad indeed.