Time of Rossi's retirement
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Joined Jul 2008
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ok , call it immoral support
It's watching someone paint themselves into a corner and saying reassuringly, "the paint will dry eventually, I'm off to the pub"
... You guys need a wake-up call. I think the time of the desmodromic engine has passed. When we went to 800 CC's it was the perfect piston speed and a few other parameters. The Duc hardly slowed down from a thou. This drove everybody to pneumatics and a few years of sorting and BOOM no more Ducati magic.
Are you serious? I doubt very much that is the case, desmodromic vs pneumatic seems to have more or less the same result.
Ducati engine is yet the most powerful of the grid, TAKING in consideration they are using a big bang firing order, you can always see a Ducati topping the charts together with Honda (often a satellite Ducati since Hayden and Rossi smoothed the engine with electronics), let alone if it's an screamer.
Take a look here.
If there is something no one can complain is about Ducati engine, it's been the most powerful since Ducati entered MotoGP.
The very first comment Rossi made about Ducati in Valencia was the power of the engine.
Stoner also complained about Honda engine being too dull.
I don't know to much about Hailwood or his background, but it seems riding the dirt in Australia has been good for Casey and Mladin in there ability to find grip and use a tire so well. I don't know to much about that series in Australia but I would like to know if it's more technical than American dirt series where ours is just riding an oval. I'd like to see and I'm hoping(for Nicky's sake) that all the guys with dirt riding backgrounds get faster next year with all the extra torque.
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
Tighter track
has at least one sharper right hander
here's a vid of a newbie trying it
watch the faster guys on the left into the right hander and out, thats where the techniques come in ....... the big left hander at the other end is just guts to throw it in at first .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH9ICG8bwGE&NR=1
Kids get even tighter tracks in places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvyx040yMU
the littler kids on 65's are lots of fun to watch, like a swarm of angry bees
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... Gui, you are right I overstated. I just was very happy with the Duc's advantage when we first went to 800 CC's. The power is very equal now and this might be affecting the overall program as the team looks for an advantage, with no power surpluss and electronics equalizing the riders. We will see more straitline speeds soon. I prefer a valvetrain that does not require air or nitrogen.
I got your point now, yes, they don't have that advantage anymore. However, that advantage was not specifically the desmodromic system, remember in 2007 Ducati was the only machine using an screamer engine, maybe because other doesn't have pneumatics, ok, but I'm not sure if spring valves really couldn't reach 2000 revs more.
and oh, yeah, I also think the desmodromic system is more elegant and offers less resistance (less power loss).
Pneumatic sounds cool but I think it's not the best solution, it's not a perfectly synchronous system.
Also, in 2008 Honda started to use an screamer engine (with pneumatic) together with Ducati, and the result we know, Ducati was still much faster on long straights (as you can see here) and would continue to be this year if their firing order was the screamer one.
However, to Ducati recover that advantage is simple, they only have to wait next year 1000cc, maybe everyone else using big bang will help again.
look at the racers he raced against..... his closest rival was biaggi, who won a total of 13 wins, and sete gibernau who had a total of 9 wins.
now look at the current crop. lorenzo 15 wins; stoner 27 wins; pedrosa 12 wins
the competition is just that much greater than when rossi was in his prime.... if it wasnt for lorenzo, stoner and pedrosa, rossi would still be romping it home.....
oh and not to mention having tires flown in for him overnight.... hmmm but rossi now complains about equality....
its funny how everyone last year blamed the rider on the ducati, and now when ross i is on it they all say the ducati is a POS....
i say its a bit of both, rider and machine. you cant be happy to be 13th when a noobie in KB is 6th....
Joined Apr 2011
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Gold Coast
i take a bit of offense to this post. im an avid rossi fan, (call me a bopper, couldnt give a ....), but give the bloke a break. i havent heard much in the way of excuses for a while now. he hasnt come out this weekend and said his shoulder is rooted, he hasnt complained about the tires ect ect.
I do think he is coming to the end now though, he is getting on (haha, same age as me, thats ......) and his competition is right up there, so thats surely going to make life more difficult for him. He is, up until now, still the fastest ducati guy and the blokes in front of him are just flat out quicker. I see no reason to lay the boot into him. until you can ride better than him, pull your head in. I for one, will not be abandoning my favourite racer cause he's having a bad season, anyone that does that to their guy should be shot.
just thought id chuck this in to stir up some ....:
teen·y·bop·per (tn-bpr)
n. Slang
1. A young teenage girl.
2. A teenager who follows the latest fad or craze, as in dress or music
alot of stoner fans, no? Rossi is hardly the latest fad or craze. haha
just thought id chuck this in to stir up some ....:
teen·y·bop·per (tn-bpr)
n. Slang
1. A young teenage girl.
2. A teenager who follows the latest fad or craze, as in dress or music
alot of stoner fans, no? Rossi is hardly the latest fad or craze. haha
Hey Dig,
Not to be overly picky here but, er Stoner is in his 6th year in MotoGP... Not to mention the years spend in 125's & 250's prior to that... I wouldn't exactly call him the "latest craze" either?
LOL the master of motorcycle racing gay22a has run out of patiance with Rossi.... like someone cares.
Your posts are waist of bandwidth and disk space.
Your posts are waist of bandwidth and disk space.
So according to your own statements you probably thought Stoner, Lorenzo, Dovi, Pedrosa should have retired when rossi won his last championship... You know Since he "kicked their ...". If lorenzo looses this year i guess he should retire huh?..They all have bad seasons, this is Rossi first and more to come. You can't on top for ever. Same .... will happen to Stoner and Lorenzo, I guarantee it.
You didn't mind Stoner loosing the championship since 2007 did you? Did you think his career had come to and end? The other bikes were better and guess what ..... changed sinced last year, So hopefully he gets another championship.
You didn't mind Stoner loosing the championship since 2007 did you? Did you think his career had come to and end? The other bikes were better and guess what ..... changed sinced last year, So hopefully he gets another championship.
Joined Apr 2011
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Pangea
Tighter track
has at least one sharper right hander
here's a vid of a newbie trying it
watch the faster guys on the left into the right hander and out, thats where the techniques come in ....... the big left hander at the other end is just guts to throw it in at first .....then it becomes technique to do it at speed.
I tried a mates speedway bike a couple of years back for the first time and it was such an alien concept to come into a corner and kick the back end out (thats the easy bit) and then turn in the opposite direction to what your instincts have been conditioned to do all those years riding dirt or road bikes.....and it was physically exhausting....a few laps and I was spent!
It sure must help in some respect to learn this technique at a young age when you are then translating that skill at 200+kmh on tarmac...thats just insane.
Tighter track
has at least one sharper right hander
here's a vid of a newbie trying it
watch the faster guys on the left into the right hander and out, thats where the techniques come in ....... the big left hander at the other end is just guts to throw it in at first .....then it becomes technique to do it at speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH9ICG8bwGE&NR=1
Kids get even tighter tracks in places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvyx040yMU
the littler kids on 65's are lots of fun to watch, like a swarm of angry bees
Very cool, thanks for posting that.
Joined Apr 2011
1K Posts | 87+
Pangea
I filmed the Australian Road Racing Championship round at the Mallala track in Adelaide in 1994 and Mladin set the circuit lap record that year (around about 1:07.7 from memory) and it stood until very recently....he was indeed a prodigious talent. He had just recently crushed both his ankles in an ultra-light flying accident as well from memory. He was frighteningly fast and was up against some pretty good riders that day....Gobert, Corser, Scott Doohan etc were all competing and he made them look pretty ordinary.
Joined Apr 2011
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Pangea
Anyone who does not watch a race because their favorite rider qualified near the back of the field is not a GP fan. .... em, the sport doesnt need bandwagon fans anyway, and i have a feeling there are a bunch of them.
I think a few of the rats have started to abandon the sinking ship already Pov
I think its a laugh saying VR to retire - I was a hugh fan up to his peak but being aussie kept an eye on CS on the LCR till thankfully he got the Duc ride and my aliegience obviously swayed to "our own" but I still admire VR.
No doubt he had the best of everything especially having JB in his corner but doesn't any top 1 rider get the best that hasn't changed but he sure has taken on a mighty feat iwth his own countries brand - this also adds big pressure especially having to tune the beast to HIS liking.
This is the calm before the storm I predict - as mentioned get him back on a Honda or Yami he'd be up there fighting for podiums for he sure has much more competition the last few years and on.
Everyone expects so much from he and his crew but working with the rest of the "Italians" is harder barrier than Simo's mad overtaking of late !
Schumacher for example without Brawn and many more brits behind the scenes would never have delivered with the Ferrari if it was left to the usual Italian engineers and management, this certainly has some synergies imo.
Lets see but it won't happen yet
No doubt he had the best of everything especially having JB in his corner but doesn't any top 1 rider get the best that hasn't changed but he sure has taken on a mighty feat iwth his own countries brand - this also adds big pressure especially having to tune the beast to HIS liking.
This is the calm before the storm I predict - as mentioned get him back on a Honda or Yami he'd be up there fighting for podiums for he sure has much more competition the last few years and on.
Everyone expects so much from he and his crew but working with the rest of the "Italians" is harder barrier than Simo's mad overtaking of late !
Schumacher for example without Brawn and many more brits behind the scenes would never have delivered with the Ferrari if it was left to the usual Italian engineers and management, this certainly has some synergies imo.
Lets see but it won't happen yet
