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This Tyre rule

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Ok perhaps I should sit and read up on every rule that is thrown at the riders etc. But please someone explain it, I've missed the first 3 races - through no fault of my own and want of trying. But football took presidance at one house and the firstrace, well, after begging and pleading with the bro for a whole weekend only to have it cancelled because of rain ......... and the 3rd god knows where I was, I need help think I missed something.

Okay so Rossi goes into to change his tyres or rather his bike (please bare in mind at this point I was watching BBC incase there was an explanation on eurosport), jumps on, zooms off. Fine with that I understand he's switched to sliks cause its drying up - sort of. Falls off, buggers the bike up and takes it back in to swap bikes.
Firstly how many times can he swap bikes and is it worth it?
Secondly does he have to go out on the same set of tyres (sliks) because they were saying he had both on (sounded like it anyway).
He gets a drive through penalty coz he was speeding - fine.
Thirdly he then swaps back to the bike he fell off of (number 2 bike) which looks sorted.
And toodles along at the back.
If when he swaped back to his first bike and the tyres were wrong how come he didn't get a penalty for that?
Please someone explain.

Well done Jorge - good timing.
Valentino - hard lines, a good sportsman learns from his mistakes.
The rest who followed Valentino into the pit - bunch of sheep :lol
 
I was watching BBC too and even the commentators seems confused about what was going on.
I'm no expert but I think you can change bikes as many times as you want, as long as you go out on a different tyre combination, than you came in on.
So when he came in the first time he swapped from full wets to full slicks, then he dropped it, so he had to come in to get his other bike but couldn't go back out on full slicks so he had to go back out on wets (or a combination) as the track was drying these would be too slow to finish the race so he had to come back in to change again.
It was worth doing because all it needed was a couple of fallers and he would have been in the points.

Not too sure that the others were sheep, Pedrosa did pretty well after coming in at the same time.
 
From YRC_news:

Valentino Rossi - Position: 16thTime: +2 Laps
"(...) but the rule says that if you change the bike again then you have to use one wet tyre, and so this is what we did. "

"When I started that time, the pit-limiter on my bike was not on and so I was given a ride-through for speeding, but by that time it was too late for our race anyway."
 
At Le Mans, each bike change was costing close to 30 sec.
No restriction on how many times the bikes are changed, but one must have west on, and the tyres can't be changed.

So hypothetically.....
Race starts wet track. Riders on wets.
Track dries, riders change bikes on to slicks (or whatever compound they want)
Pisses down rain again, riders can go back to wets, but must be the same wets as were originally on the first bike.

If the change takes 30 sec + the lost time in getting the tyres warm, you do the maths.
Jorge lost 7 sec to MM on his first lap on cold slicks.

Rossi was forced back out on the first bike, with wets still on, to allow the team time to fix the broker No. 2 bike with slicks.
 
The rule paraphrased is such:

If a race is deemed a 'wet race', then the riders can come in and change bikes at any time as long as the 'new' bike has different tires (slicks vs. wets and vice versa). There is no limit to how many times you can come in and change bikes as long as the tires are different each time. Rossi mentioned in post race interviews that only 1 tire needs to be different, not sure if that's correct.

Rossi's race went thusly (from foggy memory):

Started on Wets
Pitted (early) to Slicks
Crashed on Slicks
Pitted again to get fresh bike, had to go back out on wets because of rule
Raced on wets until team could rebuild the crashed bike
Did his ride through
Pitted again and got on freshly built bike, now with slicks
Finished P16.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ May 18 2009, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The rule paraphrased is such:

If a race is deemed a 'wet race', then the riders can come in and change bikes at any time as long as the 'new' bike has different tires (slicks vs. wets and vice versa). There is no limit to how many times you can come in and change bikes as long as the tires are different each time. Rossi mentioned in post race interviews that only 1 tire needs to be different, not sure if that's correct.

Rossi's race went thusly (from foggy memory):

Started on Wets
Pitted (early) to Slicks
Crashed on Slicks
Pitted again to get fresh bike, had to go back out on wets because of rule
Raced on wets until team could rebuild the crashed bike
Did his ride through
Pitted again and got on freshly built bike, now with slicks
Finished P16.
im sure i heard a commentator say he went out with a wet front and a cut slick rear after one of his changes. Dispite the result fiat yamaha team gained loads of valuable data this race
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I almost hate to say this but although I don't approve of the single tyre rule I think dorna were genuine in wanting it to promote closer racing, and it may on the evidence thus far have been partially successful.
 
Ok where do I start??
Firstly thanks for the replies.
I recall BBC Saying Rossi had on his third pit pick up a wet front and dry arse or something like that - so i assumed he had to go out with another combination has he had already done the dry and wet. But my understanding at the start of the race was after he ditched the bike and picked up the third one he had to have the same tyres on - all wets.

Now I think I've understood you guys correct. As many bike changers as long as the tyres are different from the first bike (hense the switch). And if they have to come in again - cause its raining for instance the tyres they used on the first bike are not to be fresh ones but the ones they used on the first few laps. Have I got it right??? Do I get a blue peter badge.

As for Toseland and losing 10 secs on Edwards to me it shows Edwards has been out on both bikes during practice (or even remembered settings from previous races in similar conditions) and this is why he stormed past JT. Perhaps JT should have stuck to his own team, cause as for as I can see in these conditions it's not the bike or the biker that can win or lose a race its the mechanics. JT also said he's had problems with the bike fitting to the tyre or was it the other way round i forget i was still half asleep.

SPOILERS oh now I get what that means now!
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I also think this year will be close most of the way throough it. And I don't just mean 1st and 2nd I mean 3rd, 4th and 5th. I would like Jorge to do really really well, toseland to do tons better than last year, Edwards to win a race and Hayden, Melandri to get another podium finish and ultamatley Rossi to win again.

As for been sheep - all those directly behind Rossi seemed to follow suit - thats sheep talk in my language lol. However they coped better with the early tyre change than Rossi did. I honestly thought he would have waited at least another lap. But hey I don't even own a bike so what the hell do i know :lol

Oh and the reason for trying to clarify this question is that when i next see the bro I just know he will have watched one race and this will be the one he sees Rossi last and he will rip shreds and question me :lol
Thanks though Guys
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ May 18 2009, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I almost hate to say this but although I don't approve of the single tyre rule I think dorna were genuine in wanting it to promote closer racing, and it may on the evidence thus far have been partially successful.
i have to disagree on this point. IMO the weather has led to closer racing. the tyres have not changed the pecking order much if at all and the only reason we have not seen more strung out processions is purely down to changeable weather.

dorna's intentions may have been honourable (
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ May 18 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i have to disagree on this point. IMO the weather has led to closer racing. the tyres have not changed the pecking order much if at all and the only reason we have not seen more strung out processions is purely down to changeable weather.

dorna's intentions may have been honourable (
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yeah, it has to be cheaper for a team to have the tyre built for the bike than build or re design the bike to suit the tyre.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 18 2009, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah, it has to be cheaper for a team to have the tyre built for the bike than build or re design the bike to suit the tyre.
Now it is a spoiler thread my point is that the single tyre regulation does not appear to favour last year's top 2 competitors, both of whom are being denied their preferred "hard" tyre choice, which apparently only they can effectively utilise. I find it unusual that lorenzo who is no doubt talented can achieve a better set-up than valentino, which he appears to have now managed at 2 races.

I would agree that like any previous supposed dorna cost-cutting measure it is unlikely to have cut costs.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 18 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Watch the spoilers guys. Some peeps may not have seen the races yet !!

This topic does carry a spoilers warning you know.
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I thought the 3rd time Rossi came in to change tyres, he had a wet front and a slick rear, wouldn't the front tyre clear a dry line for the rear to run in?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ May 18 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This topic does carry a spoilers warning you know.
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because the mods edited the title after my warning
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ May 18 2009, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This topic does carry a spoilers warning you know.
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i added it after rog called our attention, not his fault
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