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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Feb 4 2008, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can answer that - No. In fact no one would have IMHO.

Having said that I'm not so sure anyone else could have won on the Ducati either.
Loris and Marco seem to have all sorts of problems which seems to indicate the bike is difficult to ride.
so you agree that it's not just the rider who wins championships
it's the bike ,team, tyres. rider,electronics, in fact the whole package is needed these days unlike the 500 days.?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Feb 5 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can answer that - No. In fact no one would have IMHO.

Having said that I'm not so sure anyone else could have won on the Ducati either.
Loris and Marco seem to have all sorts of problems which seems to indicate the bike is difficult to ride.
Agostini, lawson, rainey and doohan or a combination thereof wouldn't have won the world championship on that bike, and I don't think it is likely that stoner would be as fast as rossi on the same yamaha; the bike was designed around rossi apart from anything else. However, I also agree that whilst rossi would be more likely than most to be able to adapt his riding style to the ducati, he would not necessarily be as fast as stoner on the ducati either.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 5 2008, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>one question for you barry and give me a honest answer, if casey was riding te same yamaha as rossi last season would he be world champion????

the same as in ..... setup by Rossi!!


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 5 2008, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the same as in ..... setup by Rossi!!


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Barry, you really are a spanner. Thats not the article from this months bike you posted! Did the date of 21st of December not give you a clue or are you so slow you are still in 2007? I'm gonna ask Ben how we stand about putting a scan from Bike on the page. Dunno where the forum would stand with copyright.

Seriously man, you need to find out what the deal is about before shouting the odds, youve turned the whole thread into a Rossi vs Stoner thread by jumping in feet first. Then you laugh at Rossi fans saying how we all jump up and down coz he didnt win this year!

The piece Mat Oxley wrote was about 2 strokes vs 4 strokes and 250s vs 990s. Like I say if we can post it without getting the forum in bother I will.

Wait and see!

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 5 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so you agree that it's not just the rider who wins championships
it's the bike ,team, tyres. rider,electronics, in fact the whole package is needed these days unlike the 500 days.?

Of course I agree it's not just the rider that wins championships. If it was why would Ducati, Honda, Yamaha etc want to participate in the first place? You need a great bike and great rubber and a little more luck than your opponents doesn't go astray either.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 5 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agostini, lawson, rainey and doohan or a combination thereof wouldn't have won the world championship on that bike, and I don't think it is likely that stoner would be as fast as rossi on the same yamaha; the bike was designed around rossi apart from anything else. However, I also agree that whilst rossi would be more likely than most to be able to adapt his riding style to the ducati, he would not necessarily be as fast as stoner on the ducati either.

Fair comment. Probably very accurate too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 5 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barry, you really are a spanner.

Well at least as a "Spanner" I can read ...... did I not allready state that it was another article
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After constant spin as excuses ..... we get more Rossi fans revelling in an article by a guy who was Rossi's ghost writer, and wrote that very "non-spin"
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I note that at least Rossi himself must have had a talking to by the Yamafia ..... he seemed to have all of a sudden stopped suggesting its the Yamaha and is going to stick with them
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All of this crap has been pretty non-stop since about round 5, 07 its getting pretty tiresome
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Anyway you should be happy ... by the latest reckoning ( day 1 of Sepang winter tests ) he's leading the championship
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 5 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After constant spin as excuses ..... we get more Rossi fans revelling in an article by a guy who was Rossi's ghost writer, and wrote that very "non-spin"
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Where was the spin in the article you posted?

Oxley said
1. the Yamaha needs to make more horsepower reliably - Yamaha bad, but tell me that giving away 15kph down the straight means that the horsepower is just fine
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2. the Yamaha handling wise is agile - Yamaha good

3. the big bang engine has rider-friendly power delivery - Yamaha good

4. the big bang engine consumes more fuel and makes insufficient horse power - Yamaha bad, but see point 1

5. the pressure is now on Rossi to perform on the BStones - not exactly sucking Rossi's .... there, is he?

6. VR and CS will be on a mission to beat each other - true.

The only spin I can see is that which you applied. Nowhere does he say it's Rossi v's Stoner as per your statement :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>thats the one that paragraph was about ...... and I was left thinking .... what! .... now heres a journo saying its Rossi v's Stoner ........ forgetting that currently its Pedrosa V's Rossi then they have a looong way to Stoner .......

He simply points out that VR and CS both want to win. Sorry he forgot to mention DP, but he doesn't say that VR owns DP so there's only CS to beat or similar.

At the end of the day this is a Motogp forum, not a Stoner or Pedrosa forum and so surprisingly
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you are going to get people who like Rossi and that is not a bar to posting here. Not all people who currently follow Rossi are fanboys or ........ so please stop implying that we are.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 5 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All of this crap has been pretty non-stop since about round 5, 07 its getting pretty tiresome
Couldn't agree more, but I think we have different definitions of "crap".
 
can we get a pdf file of it please? us americans dont get that magazine...

or maybe just around here the magazine carriers suck.

i dont know but i want to read that article.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Captain Snow @ Feb 5 2008, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>can we get a pdf file of it please? us americans dont get that magazine...

or maybe just around here the magazine carriers suck.

i dont know but i want to read that article.
hector you can get it here in the states. i had a years subscribtion a couple of years ago but it's damn expensive. go to a borders or barnes & noble & pick up a copy. you'll find subscribtion info in the mag.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Feb 5 2008, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course I agree it's not just the rider that wins championships. If it was why would Ducati, Honda, Yamaha etc want to participate in the first place? You need a great bike and great rubber and a little more luck than your opponents doesn't go astray either.
refreshing to hear. there are some here who do not believe this. they think rossi's 3rd had nothing to do with anything but himself and mock any fan who points out a flaw in the overall package he had and stoner won purly on his riding ability, there proof of this is capi. glad your not one of those.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 5 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hector you can get it here in the states. i had a years subscribtion a couple of years ago but it's damn expensive. go to a borders or barnes & noble & pick up a copy. you'll find subscribtion info in the mag.

OK guys, I have spoken to Ben, who says to put the scan onto a site such as photobucket, and link to it from here to keep the site free from trouble.

I have scanned the page and saved it as a PDF, but I'm not a member of photobucket or any similar site. If anyone has access to one of these sites, contact me at and I will email the article to them, and they can upload it for everyone to read.

Then the fun can really begin!


Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 5 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK guys, I have spoken to Ben, who says to put the scan onto a site such as photobucket, and link to it from here to keep the site free from trouble.

I have scanned the page and saved it as a PDF, but I'm not a member of photobucket or any similar site. If anyone has access to one of these sites, contact me at and I will email the article to them, and they can upload it for everyone to read.

Then the fun can really begin!


Pete

Just post it you wussy!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 5 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK guys, I have spoken to Ben, who says to put the scan onto a site such as photobucket, and link to it from here to keep the site free from trouble.

I have scanned the page and saved it as a PDF, but I'm not a member of photobucket or any similar site. If anyone has access to one of these sites, contact me at and I will email the article to them, and they can upload it for everyone to read.

Then the fun can really begin!


Pete
i used to have an account, it always used to be free but dont know now. sods law, i just had a look but the site is havering maintenance done so not a lot of help
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 5 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All of this crap has been pretty non-stop since about round 5, 07 its getting pretty tiresome
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Look who's talking. As if you're not the most frequent tread tilter among us all, and your agenda is without exception to get a dig at Rossi/Rossi fans on behalf of Stoner/Stoner fans. An now it's getting tiresome
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Well I can understand that, but then again the solution shold be very close to you

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 5 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i used to have an account, it always used to be free but dont know now. sods law, i just had a look but the site is havering maintenance done so not a lot of help
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OK guys, Ive mailed the PDF to sarto.

Barry its your last chance to post nonsense about what you imagine it may be about!

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 5 2008, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK guys, Ive mailed the PDF to sarto.

Barry its your last chance to post nonsense about what you imagine it may be about!

Pete
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 6 2008, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK guys, Ive mailed the PDF to sarto.

Barry its your last chance to post nonsense about what you imagine it may be about!

Pete

I'm not gonna bother .... I said that in my first post
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Anyway what could he write I haven't gleaned from years of being into it? .... are you saying that this new article isn't just more of "oh that could explain it" ?? ......... don't tell me its that one off article that will answer all those questions I have allways had and could never work out??? will I now finally get to sleep over those burning outstanding questions!!??
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Its motogp, its racing, its meant to be fun to watch ..... I don't think motogp is "broken" as some suggest. But I do object to the kinda stuff we saw last year and this year explaining why things aren't right ..... when clearly in 2006 many were happy, in 2007 many were happy.

If any writer writes an article that "makes Rog feel smug" ..... or ..... is so not about stuff that : "It may get the backs up of a lot of members on here, but there are a lot of points in there about how racing is going that guys have made on here,(myself included) that have been dismissed or derided by others. " ...... hmmm it seems it may have a "bent" to it, or maybe even a purpose ..... do I really want to see why Rog. feels smug.? ..... my usual complaint is that folk love to jump on a bandwagon based on a lot of hoohickey and speculation that gets "reported" in magazines ...... I'm quite capable of finding my own "bandwagons" thanks ...
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I don't feel motogp "is broke", it may not be how some don't want it to be, but meh .... it will allways evolve.

So no its ok Pete I think I incidentally get enough chance to read "articles that make Rog smug"
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I'll just see how 08 pans out ...... the end result will turn out as it does irrespective of whether there is specualtion on it or not.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 6 2008, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not gonna bother .... I said that in my first post
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Anyway what could he write I haven't gleaned from years of being into it? .... are you saying that this new article isn't just more of "oh that could explain it" ?? ......... don't tell me its that one off article that will answer all those questions I have allways had and could never work out??? will I now finally get to sleep over those burning outstanding questions!!??
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Its motogp, its racing, its meant to be fun to watch ..... I don't think motogp is "broken" as some suggest. But I do object to the kinda stuff we saw last year and this year explaining why things aren't right ..... when clearly in 2006 many were happy, in 2007 many were happy.

If any writer writes an article that "makes Rog feel smug" ..... or ..... is so not about stuff that : "It may get the backs up of a lot of members on here, but there are a lot of points in there about how racing is going that guys have made on here,(myself included) that have been dismissed or derided by others. " ...... hmmm it seems it may have a "bent" to it, or maybe even a purpose ..... do I really want to see why Rog. feels smug.? ..... my usual complaint is that folk love to jump on a bandwagon based on a lot of hoohickey and speculation that gets "reported" in magazines ...... I'm quite capable of finding my own "bandwagons" thanks ...
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I don't feel motogp "is broke", it may not be how some don't want it to be, but meh .... it will allways evolve.

So no its ok Pete I think I incidentally get enough chance to read "articles that make Rog smug"
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and may or may not justify why motogp is why it is. ....

I'll just see how 08 pans out ...... the end result will turn out as it does irrespective of whether there is specualtion on it or not.

I love this guy, Barry, you can miss a point by miles and never back down!

To be honest, at the time I was writing this post, I wasnt thinking about this season, next season, or whether Stoner will be world champ til he dies aged 95. I was asking if anyone had read a technological article in a magazine. I'm not looking for answers about last season, if you read my posts from the end of the season, you will see that my attitude is that yes Stoner had a very fast bike below him, but he was the only one who could ride it to so many wins. Thats why he won the championship.

Oxley has not answered the worlds problems, he has written a piece that talks about the politics behind the changes to GP racing, and has been debated on here many times, its the politics that piss folks off, not the actual changes.

So yeah, we will wait and see how 2008 pans out, like yorself, Ive been following it a long time, and look forward to any new season, as long as we get a good yeras racing, I dont really care if a Japanese/Spanish hybrid robot munchkin who cannot overtake wins, an Aussie on a remote (traction) controlled bike wins, or an Italian god like genius wins the title at the end of it.
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It's all racing, isnt it?

Pete
 
Okay, I have just got this after some delays caused by all sorts of technical problems that always occur when you least want them to.
I have had to convert the file to jpeg to host on flickr, so it comes in at a bit under 1MB.
Therefore I will post a link, in case anyone has a slow connection.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2034/224641...f2649f137_b.jpg

Haven't even read it myself yet as I posted it as soon as I found I had it.

Let me know if there are any problems.


Cheers
 

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