The Smell Of Fear

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (surendhar @ Apr 15 2009, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vale said that he was more prepared to race on Sunday than on Monday. It was the opposite with Casey. Something to look there as well.

I probably missed it somewhere but was this paraphrased from quotes?

I ask as from all reports Rossi was amongst the riders who wanted to race on Monday, weheras Stoner was amongst those who did not. This woudl give my immediate thoughts to being that Rossi's mindset for teh Monday race was in fact better than that of Stoner who was reluctant, yet your comments would indicate the reverse. Although being totally fair, what one says and how one reacts are two distinctly different things and it is possible that the extra day did distract Rossi further (maybe extra media commitments) whereas Stoner just put his head down and got on with the job.





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 15 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I probably missed it somewhere but was this paraphrased from quotes?

I ask as from all reports Rossi was amongst the riders who wanted to race on Monday, weheras Stoner was amongst those who did not. This woudl give my immediate thoughts to being that Rossi's mindset for teh Monday race was in fact better than that of Stoner who was reluctant, yet your comments would indicate the reverse. Although being totally fair, what one says and how one reacts are two distinctly different things and it is possible that the extra day did distract Rossi further (maybe extra media commitments) whereas Stoner just put his head down and got on with the job.





Gaz

Rossi was keen for a Monday run of the race, but says the change in the track conditions meant he couldn't run a suitable tyre. He evidently wanted to race in the afternoon too rather than race at night.

Cue endless rants about Rossi whining, blaming tyres, blaming Allah Blah Blah, not being an engineer, not being Australian, once spoke to a gay man, only won a few titles coz (insert own ..... here) blah blah all his fans are young girls doesnt post pics of his ... on Hong Kong sites only won last year coz Stoner broke a finger nail, he's scared of the dark......Blah Blah etc etc.................

I'm just inserting the ..... responses to save some of the less eloquent members the bother.


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 15 2009, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was keen for a Monday run of the race, but says the change in the track conditions meant he couldn't run a suitable tyre. He evidently wanted to race in the afternoon too rather than race at night.


Cool, ta missed all that.

But I woudl expect that he would not have been alone there either as I am sure the extra day would have meant issues for a number of riders given the extra track time (wasn't it Hayden who was reported as having no 'clean' tyres).

As for the afternoon side I tend to say that I would agree as whilst the night racing looks spectacular on TV, I just aint so sure about it from a racers perspective due to teh increase in variables that can't be seen (ie. cloud cover bringing cooler temps and ability to adjust etc). That and I like day races.





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 15 2009, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cool, ta missed all that.

But I woudl expect that he would not have been alone there either as I am sure the extra day would have meant issues for a number of riders given the extra track time (wasn't it Hayden who was reported as having no 'clean' tyres).

As for the afternoon side I tend to say that I would agree as whilst the night racing looks spectacular on TV, I just aint so sure about it from a racers perspective due to teh increase in variables that can't be seen (ie. cloud cover bringing cooler temps and ability to adjust etc). That and I like day races.





Gaz


I agree, I think the night race should be binned after that nonsense.

And yes, I'm sure it was the same for a lot of the riders about the tyres.

Cest la vie



Pete

I think the 09 Ducati is the best Ducati ever. And it is designed around a certain Casey Stoner who loves it and rides it like a god.

I really think the GP09 is far superior to the 08 model. The CF frame has solved a lot of issues and the bike does not move around so much now. It is incredibly stable and smooth in corner entering. It is as powerful as ever, only with more usable power. With Stoner it works like a charm.

The proof? In spite of all the progress made by Yamaha in 2008, including adapting to the Bridgestones, now in the first race of 09 the Ducati with Stoner has the same advantage it had on the early 08 Yamaha! And it was fast also at Jerez....

So Rossi has every reason to worry. His 09 Yamaha is now an excellent bike but it has reached the maturity of its development. It is improbable that this M1 will improve by another quantum leap, to fill the gap that Stoner's Ducati that has now re-opened.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 15 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree, I think the night race should be binned after that nonsense.

And yes, I'm sure it was the same for a lot of the riders about the tyres.

Cest la vie



Pete


yep your correct it was problem for a few riders suzuki guys, rossi , dovi and de puniet

capirossi and vermi:

The front tyre didn’t work like normal either, I had done 25 to 30 laps on the same tyre with no problems and the feeling had always been good, but today after just five laps it felt like it was destroyed! This race is over now and we have to concentrate on the next one and find out why the things that happened today occurred.”

Capirossi’s boss, Rizla Suzuki Team Manager Paul Denning, was left searching for answers about the behaviour of the bike and the tyres, even though Chris Vermeulen had finished in seventh place, stating, “Without doubt it was the right thing for MotoGP to stay on and race here at Qatar tonight, but unfortunately our bike worked quite differently than it had done all weekend for both riders.”

“We suffered from a serious lack of front grip and some bad vibration which restricted both the guys. Clearly some of our competitors were far less affected by the different conditions and our team - and factory - will be working very hard to understand the difference in performance between tonight and the rest of the weekend.

dovi:

I didn’t start very well, but I recovered some positions. After three laps I had my first big problem, with the front,” said ‘Dovi’ after the dust had settled.

“I couldn’t enter the corners fast like I did in practice, and I really don’t know why that was. I have never had that problem; not this weekend or ever. I had to use rear slide, so after five or six laps my tyre was used up.

de puniet:

I am a bit disappointed because I expected a better result after my performances in the practice sessions. I made a good start and after that I thought that the race would be easy. But I started to suffer grip problems on my front tyre. It was a bit dangerous and did my best to manage the race like that.”

He continued, “It was strange because I didn’t have that sensation at all during the whole of the rest of weekend and it was like riding on a soft tyre

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 16 2009, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the 09 Ducati is the best Ducati ever. And it is designed around a certain Casey Stoner who loves it and rides it like a god.

I really think the GP09 is far superior to the 08 model. The CF frame has solved a lot of issues and the bike does not move around so much now. It is incredibly stable and smooth in corner entering. It is as powerful as ever, only with more usable power. With Stoner it works like a charm.

The proof? In spite of all the progress made by Yamaha in 2008, including adapting to the Bridgestones, now in the first race of 09 the Ducati with Stoner has the same advantage it had on the early 08 Yamaha! And it was fast also at Jerez....

So Rossi has every reason to worry. His 09 Yamaha is now an excellent bike but it has reached the maturity of its development. It is improbable that this M1 will improve by another quantum leap, to fill the gap that Stoner's Ducati that has now re-opened.


dude your rolling out some good posts keep em coming... and i agree that all manufacturers need to find something. i said last season ducati would up the game but credit to casey for taking the bike to the limit.

cant wait to see kalio with the CF kit as he looked very smooth in testing, maybe this will help get him even closer to the front.

yam may up the hp abit but what will that mean for the tyres? i guess they have another hurdle to jump now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 16 2009, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the 09 Ducati is the best Ducati ever. And it is designed around a certain Casey Stoner who loves it and rides it like a god.

hmmm maybe yes?? ........ I see all the acknowledgment about Stoner being the FOAT, and I thought since Rossi has "the Doctor" plastered all over his butt, maybe Stoner should have "the Professor" on his ...... but " :lol:The GOD " just a Tad too premature for that already ........ but somehow I can't see it such a title plastered over his butt as his style I think Adrianna might find "the DOOR" should he adopt such a personality

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 16 2009, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hmmm maybe yes?? ........ I see all the acknowledgment about Stoner being the FOAT, and I thought since Rossi has "the Doctor" plastered all over his butt, maybe Stoner should have "the Professor" on his ...... but " :lol:The GOD " just a Tad too premature for that already ........ but somehow I can't see it such a title plastered over his butt as his style I think Adrianna might find "the DOOR" should he adopt such a personality


with the way stoner is racking up these bmw's she aint going nowhere

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 16 2009, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yep your correct it was problem for a few riders suzuki guys, rossi , dovi and de puniet

capirossi and vermi:

The front tyre didn’t work like normal either, I had done 25 to 30 laps on the same tyre with no problems and the feeling had always been good, but today after just five laps it felt like it was destroyed! This race is over now and we have to concentrate on the next one and find out why the things that happened today occurred.”

Capirossi’s boss, Rizla Suzuki Team Manager Paul Denning, was left searching for answers about the behaviour of the bike and the tyres, even though Chris Vermeulen had finished in seventh place, stating, “Without doubt it was the right thing for MotoGP to stay on and race here at Qatar tonight, but unfortunately our bike worked quite differently than it had done all weekend for both riders.”

“We suffered from a serious lack of front grip and some bad vibration which restricted both the guys. Clearly some of our competitors were far less affected by the different conditions and our team - and factory - will be working very hard to understand the difference in performance between tonight and the rest of the weekend.

dovi:

I didn’t start very well, but I recovered some positions. After three laps I had my first big problem, with the front,” said ‘Dovi’ after the dust had settled.

“I couldn’t enter the corners fast like I did in practice, and I really don’t know why that was. I have never had that problem; not this weekend or ever. I had to use rear slide, so after five or six laps my tyre was used up.

de puniet:

I am a bit disappointed because I expected a better result after my performances in the practice sessions. I made a good start and after that I thought that the race would be easy. But I started to suffer grip problems on my front tyre. It was a bit dangerous and did my best to manage the race like that.”

He continued, “It was strange because I didn’t have that sensation at all during the whole of the rest of weekend and it was like riding on a soft tyre


The front tyre comments are interesting (well to this feeble mind anyway).

Could the heavy rain be the cause?

Was the track cleaned prior to teh race (ie. brushed down)?

And I wonder if not having earlier races also played a part?

But more likely the earlier time was the cause as I have always found that often, the early evening is colder than the later evening (of the Sunday schedule).

Just wanting to throw as few thoughts, discussion points or total bollocks out there.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 16 2009, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>with the way stoner is racking up these bmw's she aint going nowhere

maybe her tastes have gone up? she seemed happy with a pair of Lee jeans when he was with LCR

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 16 2009, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cant wait to see kalio with the CF kit as he looked very smooth in testing, maybe this will help get him even closer to the front.

Kallio is on a CF chassis already, but i don't think he has the swingarm yet, not sure just how significant that difference will be but every little helps.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 16 2009, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kallio is on a CF chassis already, but i don't think he has the swingarm yet, not sure just how significant that difference will be but every little helps.

it will help with tyre wear therefore give him better pace over race distance, did you see how consistant casey was?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 15 2009, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The front tyre comments are interesting (well to this feeble mind anyway).

Could the heavy rain be the cause?

Was the track cleaned prior to teh race (ie. brushed down)?

And I wonder if not having earlier races also played a part?

But more likely the earlier time was the cause as I have always found that often, the early evening is colder than the later evening (of the Sunday schedule).

Just wanting to throw as few thoughts, discussion points or total bollocks out there.
Garry


Well . . . yeah, any time it rains a good deal of the rubber laid down on the racing line
during qualifying and practice - is washed away. Plus - it was mentioned several times
that the rains had washed sand onto the track - which had to then be - in what fashion
I don't know - swept away - not I'd think, by off-duty 10 year-old camel jockeys with
whisk brooms and Rubbermaid dustpans. I'd hazard to say the sweeping was done by some fairly brutal high-tech machine capable of clearing away debris from the entire track in a matter of a few hours - which surely would account for a further reduction in traction.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 16 2009, 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was keen for a Monday run of the race, but says the change in the track conditions meant he couldn't run a suitable tyre. He evidently wanted to race in the afternoon too rather than race at night.

Cue endless rants about Rossi whining, blaming tyres, blaming Allah Blah Blah, not being an engineer, not being Australian, once spoke to a gay man, only won a few titles coz (insert own ..... here) blah blah all his fans are young girls doesnt post pics of his ... on Hong Kong sites only won last year coz Stoner broke a finger nail, he's scared of the dark......Blah Blah etc etc.................

I'm just inserting the ..... responses to save some of the less eloquent members the bother.


Pete

Thanks Pete, that was what i tried to put earlier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 15 2009, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it will help with tyre wear therefore give him better pace over race distance, did you see how consistant casey was?


He was consistent at Qatar last year, and faster, no??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 15 2009, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cue endless rants about Rossi whining, blaming tyres, blaming Allah Blah Blah, not being an engineer, not being Australian, once spoke to a gay man, only won a few titles coz (insert own ..... here) blah blah all his fans are young girls doesnt post pics of his ... on Hong Kong sites only won last year coz Stoner broke a finger nail, he's scared of the dark......Blah Blah etc etc.................

I'm just inserting the ..... responses to save some of the less eloquent members the bother.
Hahaha

I hadn't entered this thread either since it smacked of the same characteristic as 27007/Pinky....but reading this just made me have to post a big ups to you for making me laugh.



Oh crap, does this mean I will get another idiotic reply from Tom missing the point of my post by a lightyear again? Ok thinks-he's-clever-Tom, tell me how participating in this thread just negated the point of my post. Should I create a whole other thread to make my point genius? I guess no matter how much "education" some get, they are doomed to be stupid for life, eh Pete.

Wow... all this mental masturbation after one race. Careful or ya'll will blow your seasons worth of loads before Catalunya! Oh yeah, and some of the jiz may end up on your faces!!

Anyway for those with short memories... 2007 - Casey inherits a Loris developed Duc. 2008 - Still basically an evolved and improved Loris developed bike. 2009 - The GP09 is now developed around and according to Casey's needs. The 800cc Duc up to this season has PROVEN itself to be fast and competitive in the hand/feet/butt of ONLY ONE RIDER - Mr. Stoner. What the rest of this year will bring for Kallio/Hayden and the rest - who knows but right now what we have is man/machine married in racer's heaven - and it appears to be an exclusive relationship!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 16 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow... all this mental masturbation after one race. Careful or ya'll will blow your seasons worth of loads before Catalunya! Oh yeah, and some of the jiz may end up on your faces!!

Anyway for those with short memories... 2007 - Casey inherits a Loris developed Duc. 2008 - Still basically an evolved and improved Loris developed bike. 2009 - The GP09 is now developed around and according to Casey's needs. The 800cc Duc up to this season has PROVEN itself to be fast and competitive in the hand/feet/butt of ONLY ONE RIDER - Mr. Stoner. What the rest of this year will bring for Kallio/Hayden and the rest - who knows but right now what we have is man/machine married in racer's heaven - and it appears to be an exclusive relationship!!


Absolutely and IMO it is great fun to watch as a fan.


Out of interest (from memory), when was the last time we had such an apparent disparity between results of one rider against others on the same machine?

I can think of MD on the screamer that nobody else seemed to be able to come to grips with on a consistent basis, but there would have to be other more recent efforts.






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 16 2009, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely and IMO it is great fun to watch as a fan.


Out of interest (from memory), when was the last time we had such an apparent disparity between results of one rider against others on the same machine?

I can think of MD on the screamer that nobody else seemed to be able to come to grips with on a consistent basis, but there would have to be other more recent efforts.

Gaz
Well, Gaz, I just went back through all the Championships posted on MGP and I cannot find a consistent period (say two years like '07 & '08) where any bike/rider combo has so utterly decimated others on the same machinery...