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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 19 2006, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~6~id~137596.htm hayden & pedrosa get to ride it at last! they have no idea what it is.
just saw that...so what ya think?
6 cylinder
5?
4?
3????
why do i have a feeling it's gonna be a 3...just to give Asimo a tad bit more advantage (as if he needs it) and another way to screw Nick...
just saw that...so what ya think?
6 cylinder
5?
4?
3????
why do i have a feeling it's gonna be a 3...just to give Asimo a tad bit more advantage (as if he needs it) and another way to screw Nick...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Sep 19 2006, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just saw that...so what ya think?
3????
why do i have a feeling it's gonna be a 3...just to give Asimo a tad bit more advantage (as if he needs it) and another way to screw Nick...
yep me too. ever since the new 800 capacity rule i thought 3 cylinders. nobody has really made a 3 work. weight & fuel load work for a 3 so honda are going to do just that...... they hope!
3????
why do i have a feeling it's gonna be a 3...just to give Asimo a tad bit more advantage (as if he needs it) and another way to screw Nick...
yep me too. ever since the new 800 capacity rule i thought 3 cylinders. nobody has really made a 3 work. weight & fuel load work for a 3 so honda are going to do just that...... they hope!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 19 2006, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yep me too. ever since the new 800 capacity rule i thought 3 cylinders. nobody has really made a 3 work. weight & fuel load work for a 3 so honda are going to do just that...... they hope!
i know it won't be, but i prey to the MOTORCYCLE GODS!
please make the honda a piece of .....
i know it won't be, but i prey to the MOTORCYCLE GODS!
please make the honda a piece of .....
I wish they decided to test it on Sunday straight after the race!
I would have thought Honda would trust thier riders a bit more. How are they supposed to bulid the bike to suit the riders if the riders don`t see it until it`s public debut
I would have thought Honda would trust thier riders a bit more. How are they supposed to bulid the bike to suit the riders if the riders don`t see it until it`s public debut
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At this day in age, hoping a newly developed Honda machine will be a POS is nothing more than wishful thinking. If there is one manufacturer on the grid that knows how to go racing, it's Honda. Now unfortunately they have a bad habit of pissing off riders and fans rather frequently.
W4.......yes, W4. it makes total sense. How lean and narrow could that engine be and it's never been done before, any takers?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 19 2006, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yep me too. ever since the new 800 capacity rule i thought 3 cylinders. nobody has really made a 3 work. weight & fuel load work for a 3 so honda are going to do just that...... they hope!
aprillia cube was a triple,and it had monster power,it was the drive by wire throttle system that was the problem, imagine an on-off throttle on a bike with that much power
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Sep 20 2006, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wish they decided to test it on Sunday straight after the race!
I would have thought Honda would trust thier riders a bit more. How are they supposed to bulid the bike to suit the riders if the riders don`t see it until it`s public debut
thats honda for you. when rossi fell out with honda one of the eurosport comentators said there attitude was honda hrc was 95% of the success and the riders just a small part,i think this keeping the details of the new bike from its riders proves this, just my oppinion.
aprillia cube was a triple,and it had monster power,it was the drive by wire throttle system that was the problem, imagine an on-off throttle on a bike with that much power
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Sep 20 2006, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wish they decided to test it on Sunday straight after the race!
I would have thought Honda would trust thier riders a bit more. How are they supposed to bulid the bike to suit the riders if the riders don`t see it until it`s public debut
thats honda for you. when rossi fell out with honda one of the eurosport comentators said there attitude was honda hrc was 95% of the success and the riders just a small part,i think this keeping the details of the new bike from its riders proves this, just my oppinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Honda 800 breaks cover, V4 engine.
Honda has revealed that that its new 800cc MotoGP machine, which made its first public appearance during testing at Motegi on Monday, has a V4 engine.
The machine, to be raced in the 2007 MotoGP World Championship, has been the subject of much speculation - with Honda keeping its engine design secret right until Monday's test.
Honda currently uses an adventurous V5 engine configuration for its 990cc RC211V, but will now join its rivals in switching to four-cylinders for 2007. Ducati and Suzuki already use a V4, whilst Yamaha and Kawasaki favour an inline-4 layout. Honda's MotoGP rivals are all set to use scaled down versions of their existing 990cc engines for the first year of the new 800cc rules.
The new bike was given to factory Repsol Honda rider Dani Pedrosa for the first time on Monday, while championship leading team-mate Nicky Hayden concentrated on improving his 990cc machine for the upcoming title showdown with Valentino Rossi. Honda test riders Tady Okada and Gaku Kamada were also present
By the end of 30 laps, Pedrosa had recorded an impressive time of 1min 48.210secs - just 0.4secs slower than his fastest 990cc lap in Sunday's Japanese Grand Prix and 0.37secs faster than Rossi's Monday best on the new Yamaha 800. However, Pedrosa was 0.8secs slower than the Bridgestone shod Ducati 800, in the hands of Sete Gibernau.
"The first feeling is that the new bike runs well and this is very important - it works normally and everything feels fine," said Dani. "The engine character feels a little different and this is to be expected but the package is quite similar to the RC211V. Some things about the bike feel smaller and the rear seat is much shorter which makes the whole bike look more compact. The bike has some characteristics which are a little more like a 250cc but it's still a MotoGP bike. The lap time today is quite good for a first test but it's too early to say whether it will be faster than the 990. The cornering speeds feel very similar to the RCV – though the corner speed at Motegi is very low because there are many hairpins, so it's very difficult to say definitely whether it'll be quicker. This was a good first test though."
Yamaha's Colin Edwards was the fastest rider on Monday, setting a 1min 46.68secs with the 990cc M1, while Gibernau was a head-turning second fastest overall on his 800 debut. Hayden was fourth quickest, behind Kenny Roberts Jr, but - unlike team-mate Pedrosa - will continue testing on Tuesday, when he will get his first taste of the Honda 800.
Honda 800 breaks cover, V4 engine.
"Overall it was a pretty good day - I was able to run 1min 47sec laps easier than I had been over the weekend so even though the bike hadn't changed I feel like I was riding a bit better," said Nicky, who will head into the final two rounds of the season just 12 points ahead of Rossi. "Today we mostly tested some different parts for the clutch, I did some practice starts and tried to find something that worked into the corners and can still handle the starts. We don't want to use anything that's too risky because the last thing we can afford right now is a DNF. I didn't try the 800 because I've got plenty of work to do with the current bike and I don't need to take on too many new projects right now. It looked really cool though and I'm looking forward to getting a crack on the 800 tomorrow."
Leading Motegi MotoGP test times – Monday
1. Colin Edwards USA Camel Yamaha Team 1min 46.68 secs
2. Sete Gibernau SPA Ducati 800 1min 47.41 secs
3. Kenny Roberts Jr USA Team Roberts 1min 47.64 secs
4. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team 1min 47.70 secs
5. Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 47.89 secs
6. Kousuke Akiyoshi JPN Team Suzuki MotoGP 1min 47.89 secs
7. Dani Pedrosa SPA Honda 800 1min 48.21 secs
8. Tady Okada JPN Honda 800 1min 48.43 secs
9. Valentino Rossi ITA Yamaha 800 1min 48.58 secs
10. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Team Suzuki MotoGP 1min 50.48 secs
2006 Japanese Grand Prix:
Pole position: Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro 1min 45.724secs
http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~6~id~137909~pid~0.htm
Honda has revealed that that its new 800cc MotoGP machine, which made its first public appearance during testing at Motegi on Monday, has a V4 engine.
The machine, to be raced in the 2007 MotoGP World Championship, has been the subject of much speculation - with Honda keeping its engine design secret right until Monday's test.
Honda currently uses an adventurous V5 engine configuration for its 990cc RC211V, but will now join its rivals in switching to four-cylinders for 2007. Ducati and Suzuki already use a V4, whilst Yamaha and Kawasaki favour an inline-4 layout. Honda's MotoGP rivals are all set to use scaled down versions of their existing 990cc engines for the first year of the new 800cc rules.
The new bike was given to factory Repsol Honda rider Dani Pedrosa for the first time on Monday, while championship leading team-mate Nicky Hayden concentrated on improving his 990cc machine for the upcoming title showdown with Valentino Rossi. Honda test riders Tady Okada and Gaku Kamada were also present
By the end of 30 laps, Pedrosa had recorded an impressive time of 1min 48.210secs - just 0.4secs slower than his fastest 990cc lap in Sunday's Japanese Grand Prix and 0.37secs faster than Rossi's Monday best on the new Yamaha 800. However, Pedrosa was 0.8secs slower than the Bridgestone shod Ducati 800, in the hands of Sete Gibernau.
"The first feeling is that the new bike runs well and this is very important - it works normally and everything feels fine," said Dani. "The engine character feels a little different and this is to be expected but the package is quite similar to the RC211V. Some things about the bike feel smaller and the rear seat is much shorter which makes the whole bike look more compact. The bike has some characteristics which are a little more like a 250cc but it's still a MotoGP bike. The lap time today is quite good for a first test but it's too early to say whether it will be faster than the 990. The cornering speeds feel very similar to the RCV – though the corner speed at Motegi is very low because there are many hairpins, so it's very difficult to say definitely whether it'll be quicker. This was a good first test though."
Yamaha's Colin Edwards was the fastest rider on Monday, setting a 1min 46.68secs with the 990cc M1, while Gibernau was a head-turning second fastest overall on his 800 debut. Hayden was fourth quickest, behind Kenny Roberts Jr, but - unlike team-mate Pedrosa - will continue testing on Tuesday, when he will get his first taste of the Honda 800.
Honda 800 breaks cover, V4 engine.
"Overall it was a pretty good day - I was able to run 1min 47sec laps easier than I had been over the weekend so even though the bike hadn't changed I feel like I was riding a bit better," said Nicky, who will head into the final two rounds of the season just 12 points ahead of Rossi. "Today we mostly tested some different parts for the clutch, I did some practice starts and tried to find something that worked into the corners and can still handle the starts. We don't want to use anything that's too risky because the last thing we can afford right now is a DNF. I didn't try the 800 because I've got plenty of work to do with the current bike and I don't need to take on too many new projects right now. It looked really cool though and I'm looking forward to getting a crack on the 800 tomorrow."
Leading Motegi MotoGP test times – Monday
1. Colin Edwards USA Camel Yamaha Team 1min 46.68 secs
2. Sete Gibernau SPA Ducati 800 1min 47.41 secs
3. Kenny Roberts Jr USA Team Roberts 1min 47.64 secs
4. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team 1min 47.70 secs
5. Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 47.89 secs
6. Kousuke Akiyoshi JPN Team Suzuki MotoGP 1min 47.89 secs
7. Dani Pedrosa SPA Honda 800 1min 48.21 secs
8. Tady Okada JPN Honda 800 1min 48.43 secs
9. Valentino Rossi ITA Yamaha 800 1min 48.58 secs
10. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Team Suzuki MotoGP 1min 50.48 secs
2006 Japanese Grand Prix:
Pole position: Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro 1min 45.724secs
http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~6~id~137909~pid~0.htm
A V4......
TYPICAL!!!!!!
BLOODY HONDA!!!! They always go with the wildest scheme, don`t they? The V4 itself isn`t wild, but spreading all these rumours about a V3 then coming out with a V4 to catch us off guard with a V4.... .......s!
By the way I`m starting to agree with Ooost, Honda the Corporation piss me off with thier attitude to racing and so forth, but man, some of the stuff their engineers have done is awsome (Even the biggest Honda haters would agree with this if you check out their Racing mueseum)
TYPICAL!!!!!!
BLOODY HONDA!!!! They always go with the wildest scheme, don`t they? The V4 itself isn`t wild, but spreading all these rumours about a V3 then coming out with a V4 to catch us off guard with a V4.... .......s!
By the way I`m starting to agree with Ooost, Honda the Corporation piss me off with thier attitude to racing and so forth, but man, some of the stuff their engineers have done is awsome (Even the biggest Honda haters would agree with this if you check out their Racing mueseum)
I think Honda know how tight the competition is gonna get and went with the safe option. I'm a bit dissapointed but it's probably the most obviuos to go with.
Dani Pedrosa and Tady Okada are the only riders who have tested the new V4 800.
Nicky will test it after valencia's race.
Dani Pedrosa: "The first feeling is that the new bike runs well and this is very important - it works normally and everything feels fine. The engine character feels a little different and this is to be expected but the package is quite similar to the RC211V. Some things about the bike feel smaller and the rear seat is much shorter which makes the whole bike look more compact. The bike has some characteristics which are a little more like a 250cc but it's still a MotoGP bike. The lap time today is quite good for a first test but it's too early to say whether it will be faster than the 990. The cornering speeds feel very similar to the RCV - though the corner speed at Motegi is very low because there are many hairpins, so it's very difficult to say definitely whether it'll be quicker. This was a good first test though."
Nicky will test it after valencia's race.
Dani Pedrosa: "The first feeling is that the new bike runs well and this is very important - it works normally and everything feels fine. The engine character feels a little different and this is to be expected but the package is quite similar to the RC211V. Some things about the bike feel smaller and the rear seat is much shorter which makes the whole bike look more compact. The bike has some characteristics which are a little more like a 250cc but it's still a MotoGP bike. The lap time today is quite good for a first test but it's too early to say whether it will be faster than the 990. The cornering speeds feel very similar to the RCV - though the corner speed at Motegi is very low because there are many hairpins, so it's very difficult to say definitely whether it'll be quicker. This was a good first test though."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Sep 26 2006, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>some of the stuff their engineers have done is awsome (Even the biggest Honda haters would agree with this if you check out their Racing mueseum)
That rear hugger is going to have to grow on me Richo....it looks like a snow shovel to me.....
That rear hugger is going to have to grow on me Richo....it looks like a snow shovel to me.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Sep 28 2006, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That rear hugger is going to have to grow on me Richo....it looks like a snow shovel to me.....
Style is a matter of opinion, Doc, but you can bet your ... those Techies at HRC didn`t stick a carbon-fibre snow shovel on the swingarm of that thing because it looks good. It's there because it provides a percentage of a fraction better aerodynamics or lighter weight than the 20 other designs they tested.
Style is a matter of opinion, Doc, but you can bet your ... those Techies at HRC didn`t stick a carbon-fibre snow shovel on the swingarm of that thing because it looks good. It's there because it provides a percentage of a fraction better aerodynamics or lighter weight than the 20 other designs they tested.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Sep 29 2006, 03:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Style is a matter of opinion, Doc, but you can bet your ... those Techies at HRC didn`t stick a carbon-fibre snow shovel on the swingarm of that thing because it looks good. It's there because it provides a percentage of a fraction better aerodynamics or lighter weight than the 20 other designs they tested.
totally true man....hopefully it'll look better with paint....
totally true man....hopefully it'll look better with paint....
