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The inevitable has happened!

I think this may be the best thing to happen to American two wheeled road racing. On one side you have the cash rich DMG and on the other side you have the USSB which are really the manufacturers in very poor disguises.

If any of you believe DMG puts on a good show I challenge you to force yourself to watch an entire NASCAR event, the only excitement is the finish if it is not under a caution flag. They have a template for business success from a financial point of view, however thre NASCAR crowd is generally brand/driver loyal. Jeff ZGordon fans only drink Pepsi and so on. The bulk of the sponsors are huge national or multinational corporations with monstrous advertising budgets. Will this formula translate to motorcycle racing? It is very unlikely. The bulk of the motorcycle industry consists of the manufacturers from there the financial commitment the other corporations can make drops off very sharply, outside of a couple of energy drink makers(most of whom are subsidiaries of Coke or Pepsi) the pickings are slim. I purchased my bike based on price (2006 GSXR750) not because it "won on Sunday" so I bought on Monday.

Maybe this will force the manufacturers, I mean the USSB, to take the steps necessary to fix the things that are wrong with American road racing. I think competition will be better for the fans and the factories. i do not see DMG as the savior of motorcycle racing in North America.
 
I think it's very likely DMG has more money to spend on racing! Will Suzuki and Honda increase their budgets significantly to establish the series? The race budget will be about the same, in the odd chance they have a full slate of races, but think about the expenses involved in not only establishing the USSB, but providing purses and all the other things needed. And, if the USSB can't entice promoters with a decent show, they'll have to pick up the promotion tab as well. I don't see that having legs in the current economic climate.

Contrast that to DMG. Their entire business is race organization and promotion. Whatever you may think of the NASCAR model, it works. Go against them at your own peril.

That being said, I'm not a big fan of stock car racing or Grand Am. It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Things would have been much better had the manufacturers worked with DMG instead of skulking off to start their own thing.

In this scenario, the USSB is CART, and DMG/AMA is the IRL. What happened there?

dkm
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dkm750SS @ Sep 13 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it's very likely DMG has more money to spend on racing! Will Suzuki and Honda increase their budgets significantly to establish the series? The race budget will be about the same, in the odd chance they have a full slate of races, but think about the expenses involved in not only establishing the USSB, but providing purses and all the other things needed. And, if the USSB can't entice promoters with a decent show, they'll have to pick up the promotion tab as well. I don't see that having legs in the current economic climate.

Contrast that to DMG. Their entire business is race organization and promotion. Whatever you may think of the NASCAR model, it works. Go against them at your own peril.

That being said, I'm not a big fan of stock car racing or Grand Am. It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Things would have been much better had the manufacturers worked with DMG instead of skulking off to start their own thing.

In this scenario, the USSB is CART, and DMG/AMA is the IRL. What happened there?

dkm


I wanna know how USSB plan on televising races? NASCAR owns speed TV. If Edmonson tells Fox not to show USSB on Speed, they won't show it.

I'm starting to think this is an elaborate ruse by DMG. The new USSB sounds like it will run FX and Superbike---two series that DMG were planning to dump. This is a way for DMG to jettison those series' without being responsible for their demise. I'm sure the manufacturers might actually think USSB can work. DMG is going to let them decide how much money they want to dump into "developing new technologies"
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If USSB sees the light of day, I expect it will operate alongside the AMA.

Personally, I'm excited about DMG involvement. Indy gave me an idea for how respectable an infield track can be when a little money, time, and effort are put into the project (even though Indy is technically falling apart). DMG practically owns many US ovals. I'm excited to see what they are going to force track owners to build in order to renew their NASCAR contracts. Texas Motorspeed Way would be a great place to add a respectable infield circuit.
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You might have a point lex. Although I see Daytona Superbike as FX, with DMG dumping Supersport and Superbike - just what the OEMs want to run.

Look, this is motorcycle racing. There will be no common templates like NASCAR. There will be no fugly oversized greenhouses like in Grand Am. There will be maximum power-to-weight ratios (ugh) and spec tires (common virtually throughout the world now) and spec fuel (who cares) and perhaps spec ECUs. Not perfect, but we'll see a lot of well-ridden, fast motorcycles, with some good teams (M4, Jordan, probably Attack and Graves, Celtic, Matsushima, perhaps even Erion). Above all, I'm not sure who's going to win the first race. Can we say that now about the current series?

We might also see a USSB race next spring, where Mladin and the Suzuki stomps the .... out of 7 or 8 other bikes. But hey! They were 2 seconds a lap faster! Yawn.

dkm
 
Oh, and another thing. DMG can offer all these struggling road courses full fields and big money. Think about the Daytona 200 by Arai, the Road Atlanta Superbike Showdown presented by Crown Royal, the Road America Motorcycle Classic presented by Suntrust, etc.

DMG is NASCAR. NASCAR has sponsorship figured the .... out.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dkm750SS @ Sep 13 2008, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, and another thing. DMG can offer all these struggling road courses full fields and big money. Think about the Daytona 200 by Arai, the Road Atlanta Superbike Showdown presented by Crown Royal, the Road America Motorcycle Classic presented by Suntrust, etc.

DMG is NASCAR. NASCAR has sponsorship figured the .... out. Sorry for the language.

You and I share a similar vision. While most people see sponsorship as the corruption of the sport, I see it as free money. On the outside a rider may look like a billboard but on the inside the heart of the racer is still the same. Seems like a fair trade to have your career prospects drastically improved.

A stream of green will keep American talent local and parity amongst race bikes will encourage foreign talent to come to America to show their stuff. I'm all for it. The more foreign talent the AMA imports, the greater the viewership and the stronger the series.

Plus, the fixed hp/weight brackets should make the series accessible for more manufacturers with different kinds of technologies. I think that's great. Who cares if a manufacturer can't make 140hp from 600cc? If they make a bike that rides true, I wanna see it in action!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 14 2008, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You and I share a similar vision. While most people see sponsorship as the corruption of the sport, I see it as free money. On the outside a rider may look like a billboard but on the inside the heart of the racer is still the same. Seems like a fair trade to have your career prospects drastically improved.

A stream of green will keep American talent local and parity amongst race bikes will encourage foreign talent to come to America to show their stuff. I'm all for it. The more foreign talent the AMA imports, the greater the viewership and the stronger the series.

Plus, the fixed hp/weight brackets should make the series accessible for more manufacturers with different kinds of technologies. I think that's great. Who cares if a manufacturer can't make 140hp from 600cc? If they make a bike that rides true, I wanna see it in action!
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Again, we're in agreement. A variety of equipment is a definite plus in my opinion. Also, a level playing ground makes the DMG series a rider's championship versus an equipment championship. Is there a better way to determine the best American talent?

As for the commercial aspect, there's no denying that money makes the racing machine function at all levels. Particularly when it comes to national-level or higher competition. Professional racing is first and foremost a business, and fiduciary responsibility dictates it's run as such. Those that cry about purity of sport and diluted competition are at best naive - at worst, Yoshimura Suzuki employees.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 13 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Texas Motorspeed Way would be a great place to add a respectable infield circuit.
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Are you talking about the Fort Worth track or a revival of Texas World?

Fort Worth already has a roval course; the ALMS ran there in '00 and '01. Back then it was a sorry course.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Sep 13 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you talking about the Fort Worth track or a revival of Texas World?

Fort Worth already has a roval course; the ALMS ran there in '00 and '01. Back then it was a sorry course.


Texas World would be good too.

Both have infield courses, both need serious improvement.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dkm750SS @ Sep 13 2008, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, and another thing. DMG can offer all these struggling road courses full fields and big money. Think about the Daytona 200 by Arai, the Road Atlanta Superbike Showdown presented by Crown Royal, the Road America Motorcycle Classic presented by Suntrust, etc.

DMG is NASCAR. NASCAR has sponsorship figured the .... out.

But like Grand Am and the other Nascar run series, that is also it's problem. Nascar tells these sponsors in contracts, that you sponsor us here, and you also have to sponsor us there.
 
USSB is a joke.....they haven't even talked to the track owners yet......it is just the manu's getting all pissy and trying to take their ball and go home. DMG gave in to every demand that manu's had....but that wasn't good enough........'em.....let them go out and I hope they fail miserably....then when they come ask DMG to let them back in, I hope they say nope...you had your chance and didn't want it......
 
Well, well. This isn't taking long at all, now is it. DMG simply holds all the cards, and the track owners and promoters know it. Looks like the Suzuki/Honda temper tantrum has lead to nothing....

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The 2009 AMA Pro road racing Championship will visit all of the series’ traditional venues and two new tracks may be added to the schedule, pending the evaluation of a rider safety committee that may be headed by Vincent Haskovec.

I'm glad to know he is going to be involved in the new AMA in some way. He deserves it. Furthermore, no one has more experience in the injuries department either.
 
More news from the AMA/DMG versus The USSB. First the promoters signed with DMG/AMA, and now Honda is having summit meetings. Maybe USSB is merely a bargaining chip after all.

AMA/DMG’s Edmondson And American Honda’s Blank Held Summit Meeting Sunday In Indy

Sep 15, 2008, By David Swarts, ©Copyright 2008, Roadracing World Publishing, Inc.
Meeting held Sunday may lead to resolution of 2009 road racing series disputes...

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AMA Pro Racing/Daytona Motorsports Group (DMG) boss Roger Edmondson and American Honda Senior Vice President Ray Blank held what both men described as an encouraging meeting Sunday at Indianapolis Motor Speedway in hopes of reaching a compromise and prevent what could be a damaging split in professional motorcycle road racing in America.

“I had sent Ray an e-mail about three weeks ago suggesting to him that we were headed towards a disaster here if we couldn’t find a way to sit down together and see if we could come to a resolution to all this,” Edmondson told Roadracingworld.com Monday morning. “And I told him then that I felt should there be a split, which I felt would be damaging to the sport, that he and I would likely be the two most responsible for it. And at the same token if we could resolve the issues than I think we could establish ourselves as being leaders that were responsible.

“So we agreed to meet at Indianapolis. We agreed to try to put our egos and hurt feelings, at least on my part. I think I had ego issues and hurt feeling issues. I’m not sure that Ray did, and I wouldn’t accuse him of it. But we agreed to put all those things in the past behind us and sit down and try to find a resolution.

“We met for an hour and 10 minutes yesterday. I thought it was very productive and instructive. Those were the words that I used. I learned that some of the things I thought he was saying were different than what he was saying. I think he found the same to be true, that the interpretation of some of my viewpoints and vision were different than the reality. And so we clarified some misunderstandings, we identified areas where we are in accord, and of course in the same process we identified areas of disagreement.

“It was a very civil, very proper, very businesslike discussion. We left just in time to see the MotoGP race. And we’ve agreed to get together by phone on Tuesday [September 16] and try to resume the process. Our target is to be able to make an announcement at Laguna Seca [September 27-28, the AMA Superbike Championship finale] of the final bottom line and where the AMA Pro road racing program is going.

“Now obviously I have other manufacturers I’m in business with also. So whatever Ray and I discuss is going to have to be satisfactory to not only one company but to as many as possible, but it was a very good meeting. I don’t want to go into too much detail, because frankly, I don’t want the press manipulating what happens. I want the press to report what happens. And I don’t want any pressure placed on me or Ray of the type that is easy to get going and things like this. Neither one of us is trying to be the winner here. We’re trying to resolve an issue. So a little compromise here, a little compromise there and I think we’re going to make a lot of progress.

“I’ve been asked to take a look at some alternatives, and I think I have an obligation to give those alternatives every consideration. And I’ve also indicated there’s some likelihood that I’ll be coming back with some alternatives for Ray to consider. That’s just part of how business negotiations are done. But we both agreed the ship is leaving the dock and we need to make sure we’re not heading for a mess.”

Blank issued a statement via e-mail to several media outlets Sunday evening. That statement read:

"In the spirit of cooperation, Roger Edmondson of DMG and I met today to discuss Honda's position regarding the proposed AMA Pro Racing road race series. A constructive dialogue was struck and while there is much to do in a short time to prepare ourselves for the impending 2009 season, we believe we can strike an accord that will prove satisfactory to our most important partners, from our race fans to our facility owners and operators as well as our sponsors. We are encouraged at the opportunity ahead."
 
Sounds like good news. A split series would be a disaster. As a rider, how would you choose. I hope both sides decide to give a little and come to a compromise that will satisfy both and hopefully then end result will be a fun series to watch as a spectator and good competition for the riders.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Sep 18 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sounds like good news. A split series would be a disaster. As a rider, how would you choose. I hope both sides decide to give a little and come to a compromise that will satisfy both and hopefully then end result will be a fun series to watch as a spectator and good competition for the riders.
Well I for one don't want to see any DMG .... in american road racing due to the fact they are affiliated with Nascar. To me that is a big ........ parade and the lowest form of racing. IF the USSB comes in with WSBK style rules and regulations we will after a few years be on the same level as the rest of the world and be able to provide american riders of the same or similar caliber to challenge for the world titles.
 
Oh good, they sat around and talked about my favorite word--COMPROMISE.
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Edmondson had better not fold up like a tent to make blank happy. Nothing is worse than the leadership of the manufacturers in the last half decade. If I have to endure more seasons of them calling the shots, I'm gonna puke.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dkm750SS @ Sep 13 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You might have a point lex. Although I see Daytona Superbike as FX, with DMG dumping Supersport and Superbike - just what the OEMs want to run.

Look, this is motorcycle racing. There will be no common templates like NASCAR. There will be no fugly oversized greenhouses like in Grand Am. There will be maximum power-to-weight ratios (ugh) and spec tires (common virtually throughout the world now) and spec fuel (who cares) and perhaps spec ECUs. Not perfect, but we'll see a lot of well-ridden, fast motorcycles, with some good teams (M4, Jordan, probably Attack and Graves, Celtic, Matsushima, perhaps even Erion). Above all, I'm not sure who's going to win the first race. Can we say that now about the current series?

We might also see a USSB race next spring, where Mladin and the Suzuki stomps the .... out of 7 or 8 other bikes. But hey! They were 2 seconds a lap faster! Yawn.

dkm


For the thousandth time,Daytona Superbike Is NOT the same as Formula Extreme.It is Supersport,period. FX bikes are full bore works race bikes that push between 140-150 hp.The proposed Daytona Superbike is Supersport. 120 max hp,stock suspensions,no internal engine mods etc; A stock 600 with pipe,power commander and some cam timing,thats it.
 
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34272

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I wonder if this has any merit.

Roadracing world hasn't been too cozy with DMG over the last several months. If the MIC really said Roadracing world is the enemy.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34271\

Here is the email exchange that may have caused it all. Ulrich doesn't seem too keen on DMG but it appears that he believes the MIC are toying with people.

Airfence has signed exclusively with DMG? There is no way they can run WSBK equipment on American tracks without Airfence. I can't imagine USSB was looking pretty weak, but it looks as though they never even had a chance.

I'm not sure what the MIC is doing.
 

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