The end of the 800cc GP bike.. Crush them or burn them?
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The words aircraft carrier and steam canon come to mind.
If I was bright enough I'd post a clip of one of these things in action, but I'm not, so you'll have to find it for yourself on youtube. lol
If I was bright enough I'd post a clip of one of these things in action, but I'm not, so you'll have to find it for yourself on youtube. lol
Nail. Head. ....... MSMA.
Casey Stoner agrees with you.
Fixed that for you.
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Couldn't disagree more. There is definitely one thing worse, which is a financially non-viable, tiny grid of anemically fueled bikes which require massive amounts of electronic intervention and have tyres that only suit a couple of rider/bike combinations.
The 'claiming rule' is stupid but highly tuned 1000cc production engines with more fuel and a control ECU (to prevent the current level of electronics) and a completely custom chassis could work well. Also could help drive forward road bikes more than the current MotoGP series, after all, road bikes can't reasonably have pneumatic valves.
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I never realised it was like this........................................
http://motomatters.com/interview/2010/11/03/casey_stoner_on_electronics_ducati_s_scr.html
Q: So if there's a dry race tomorrow, there is going to be a lot of people pressing buttons on the, and playing around with their maps.
CS: I wouldn't be surprised, yes. They'd stagger a set of maps, and see which one is gonna work, and hopefully all these electronics work with fuel consumption management, and all this sort of stuff, and bring us home. Because it is gonna be the hardest thing. They have to go out and actually map the engine to understand how much fuel it's going to use, and if they don't understand how much fuel they are using, it's very difficult for them to know where to set it.
Q: Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just give you a couple of extra liters of fuel?
CS: I would love that, but that's too complicated. I don't know why we haven't got more liters in the tank. I don't see it being a money saver, or for any particular reason, it's just a limit they put on there. It's more the MSMA that make those sort of decisions, I think, rather than the Grand Prix Commission or anything like that.
Q: And the MSMA don't listen to the riders.
CS: Not a lot. They're engineers, they're technicians; they do that and they want that, and they don't care.
Q: And it's up to you to ride the thing.
CS: Pretty much.
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I remember an F1 engineer saying at one point he didn't want THE best driver in the paddock. He wanted a driver who DID THE SAME THING EVERY TIME, like a robot or another piece of equipment, so that he and his cohorts could, "make the car work right despite the variable of a driver"!!!!! Fun stuff, eh?
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The really sad thing is that couch hounds like you believe that
While it is a joke that a factory team would be running last years engine rules (the inability of factory teams to afford MotoGP is proof of how stupid the MSMA is when it comes to rules, I don't understand how they could think that they do the right thing when the top series has 17 bikes), could the bikes actually do alright because the 1000s will still have a hopelessly low amount of fuel crippling power although the 800s rev high, which is inefficient?
Out of interest, surely it could only be Honda and maybe Yamaha that like the low fuel limits and even the 800s? They must be so out of touch with the rest of the world and even their own company that markets 1000cc bikes. When they saw the first test sessions/lap times of the 800s, they must have realised that they weren't going to help safety.
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I like everyone else thinks the fuel limit regs suck. But at the time and still today fuel efficiency is a high priority for most of the world. I know the US is not concerned about it because the country/murdock is denying climate change and their fuel is a fraction of the price of the rest of the world but fuel efficiency in motor vehicles is a concern.
The other factor is that these manufacturers have spent millions and millions on developing these electronics and they do not want to throw it all in the bin because all of a sudden MotoGP fans have changed from wanting to watch cutting edge motorcycle racing to wanting to be entertained by manufactured racing and chicken suits.
In my opinion the problem is less to do with costs and more to do with revenue and due to mis-management and poor marketing strategies the revenue stream has dried up or corralled into one corner. Quality management and marketing strategies can save MotoGP. Cost cutting is a weak and gutless strategy by businesses who lack innovative strategies to continue to capture large and new audiences/customers.
The other factor is that these manufacturers have spent millions and millions on developing these electronics and they do not want to throw it all in the bin because all of a sudden MotoGP fans have changed from wanting to watch cutting edge motorcycle racing to wanting to be entertained by manufactured racing and chicken suits.
In my opinion the problem is less to do with costs and more to do with revenue and due to mis-management and poor marketing strategies the revenue stream has dried up or corralled into one corner. Quality management and marketing strategies can save MotoGP. Cost cutting is a weak and gutless strategy by businesses who lack innovative strategies to continue to capture large and new audiences/customers.
