The Doctor isn't the G.O.A.T

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 8 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just like Travis, here in the States when in a rally event...

...and anyone that says that the x games is full of non-talented, ........, Evil Kneivel sportsman should not be taken seriously.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 8 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok, I realize you and phleg may be the same person (or at least IQ soulmates), but I already explained that neither are "scared" or "worried" (as you put it to change the subject about being in the shadow of a motorcycler while in your own element (game). Both Pastrana and Loeb are the best at what they do. I don't need to school you on the domination that Loeb (winningest Rally driver ever, etc) has had in rally; yet, Pastrana has accomplished several accolades in actions sports and two-wheels racing (though I'm sure you don't know .... about American sportmans, since its obvious to me you always try to pretend you know something about the AMA racing when you post nonsense). Both men (and you can throw in Rossi) all are NOT "worried/scared" about eachother, they are all champs in their own right. The point here is, which you seem to continue to miss (along with your equally dense side-kick) is that Loeb is a rally racer, yet you have a couple of motorcyclers who kick ... in that same 'game" and they don't even do it full time. (Though Travis just won the American Rally Championship). A point that the guy starting this thread tried to make is that Loeb, though in a rally event, is treated as the second class citizen to a "newbie" ( as he put it). In other word, Rossi gets all the play, and its not even his sport. Just like Travis, here in the States when in a rally event.

I don't find it hard to understand that sportsmen crossing over from success in their own disciplines to try something else will get large amounts of attention, and rightly so. I saw more Rossi flags while i was in wales this weekend then any other driver out there! Besides that though, you have claimed that Pastrana has kicked Loeb's ... several times at his own game, which is absolutley not true. Travis' rallying record is not unimpressive, but it is certainly not worth comparing him to arguably the greatest rally driver ever until he actually achieves something more credible.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Dec 8 2008, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...and anyone that says that the x games is full of non-talented, ........, Evil Kneivel sportsman should not be taken seriously.

A lot of sports fans neglect the difference between motorsport and motor racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Dec 8 2008, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You know Jumkie Iam not sure Pastrana would beat Rossi over a Proper rally !
Maybe in some americanised ........ X games (Show) were no rated drivers ever enter...oh here we go why dont you go on about Pastrana beating McRae in a ...... bullring....blah blah blah..
Pastrana is the most overated sportsman Ive everknown, dont get me wrong I like the guy, and he kind of reminds me of McRae a little.
Huge balls but lacking in talant ! Fairplay to McRae winning WRC in 95 though.. But really whats Pastrana ever won ? I here you say he won a US Rally championship ? Big Range in driving conditions ? Any decent rivals ? NO.
Pastrana Is more of a modern day Evil Kneivel, a real showman, but Lacking in real talent.
Pastrana entered the erzburg enduro to show all these europeans how to ride... David Knight whiped the floor with him.
As for Sebastian Loeb, well that man is true magician when it comes to cars... I think If he switched to F1 and had a real good car hed win that to....

Really, its all hypothetical. So Dion, you think Rossi would beat Pastrana, and I think otherwise (wow, amazing). Who the .... knows until it happens? You are obviously a Rossi fan, and I'm a Pastrana fan, is it any wonder we would disagree who would win in a matchup?

I think McRae (RIP) would disagree with your assessment that there is weak talent at these events. Just like the Race of Champions is a made for TV even (though people give the event some credibility) so is X-games. Just because its in the States and not in your home town, doesn't make it insignificant. This is exactly the type of event we speculate about when we talk about dream match-ups; as in recent: Bayliss vs Rossi. Its this type of event like X-games & ROC that we see racers across disciplines compete against eachother. Now of course, then you have some Euros (like Goatboy & Babel & Co) cry about how X-games is ........ (or at least say some closed circuit is ........). Ask yourself, why don't you ever see these made for TV events include a MX event to see how Loeb and other "car drivers' might do on a dirt bike (you know, to exibit their raw "talent"? Would that be ........ too Dion? (Or is it only ok to put them in rally cars and then conclude that the "rally" racer is actually the best talent? Hell, I think they should mix in a roadracing/MX/Rally made for TV event and figure out some equation to see what's what. (Yet even this would be some ........ too).

Its speculation. I say Travis would kick these fools ..., you think otherwise. Well no .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Dec 8 2008, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...and anyone that says that the x games is full of non-talented, ........, Evil Kneivel sportsman should not be taken seriously.
I had the same thought. Perhaps Dion might want to look again at the list of talented racer who join in the fun. I wonder how many of these X-games bashers think ROC is also ........?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 8 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Besides that though, you have claimed that Pastrana has kicked Loeb's ... several times at his own game, which is absolutley not true. Travis' rallying record is not unimpressive, but it is certainly not worth comparing him to arguably the greatest rally driver ever until he actually achieves something more credible.

As usual, you fail to follow along in a string of points. Would it mattere if I repeated myself 10 more times? I think not, so today I only have the patience to explain it to you twice. End of.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Dec 8 2008, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pastrana entered the erzburg enduro to show all these europeans how to ride... David Knight whiped the floor with him.
It's been quite a while since I've seen Travis and the Nitro Circus 2 but didn't Pastrana have a pretty sizable lead until he had a mechanical issue that cost him a few hours? Like I said, it's been a while since I've seen it and the little google research I did didn't yield any news.

Jumkie you'll probably know this, what's the deal with TP's Subaru contract? Wasn't there some clause in his contract that would see him enter select WRC events in 2009 and then be a full time factory driver in the series in 2010?

Hey Jumkie iam a fan of Travis !! I just dont think hes overated thats all..
He may be fast... and Rossi May be fast both in cars.. but neither of them will find the pace to win.
If Loeb switched to bikes ( Hypothetical) than maybe he would be a laughing stock ! But who would know ?
Bear in mind Schmacher though..
Ill stand by my X games remark, but dont twist it sadwack and Jumkie, when I say its full of nobodys, I mean in the rally section.
Please tell me otherwise.
I dont think Rossi out shone loeb for attention in rally GB.
Jumkie you Need to see further that the states.
Why are all americans so patriotic ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 8 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A lot of sports fans neglect the difference between motorsport and motor racing.
Yes, and you are a shinning example of one who doesn't know the difference.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 9 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's been quite a while since I've seen Travis and the Nitro Circus 2 but didn't Pastrana have a pretty sizable lead until he had a mechanical issue that cost him a few hours? Like I said, it's been a while since I've seen it and the little google research I did didn't yield any news.

Jumkie you'll probably know this, what's the deal with TP's Subaru contract? Wasn't there some clause in his contract that would see him enter select WRC events in 2009 and then be a full time factory driver in the series in 2010?

TP set of real fast, like a MX race, It took Knight about 30 mins to reel him in and then left him, and won by 2 hours.
Pastrana quit, he said the bike overheated, which it may of done, but only cause he couldnt physically keep goin, and keep air going through the rads..
David Knight rules.. See what McRae says about him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Dec 8 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Jumkie iam a fan of Travis !! I just dont think hes overated thats all..
He may be fast... and Rossi May be fast both in cars.. but neither of them will find the pace to win.
If Loeb switched to bikes ( Hypothetical) than maybe he would be a laughing stock ! But who would know ?
Bear in mind Schmacher though..
Ill stand by my X games remark, but dont twist it sadwack and Jumkie, when I say its full of nobodys, I mean in the rally section.
Please tell me otherwise.
I dont think Rossi out shone loeb for attention in rally GB.
Jumkie you Need to see further that the states.
Why are all americans so patriotic ?
Haha, nah man, I'm not twisting what you said. I'm just saying I think many people don't give an event like X-games any credibility because its not part of a series. Yes, they are made for TV events, but that by it self doesn't make it ........ or lame or talentless.

As far as me seeing further than the States, of course man. I love world rally. I get that Loeb is the Rossi of his sport (I'm well aware Loeb is the winningest rally driver ever, titles since God made dirt, etc). The point the thread starter made was simply to say that Loeb, though a massive rally success was being trumped by a motorcycler. That is it. Now it looks like you may disagree, ok, that is fine. My point is that when Leob has been in the States anywhere near Pastrana, he (Leob) is also in the shadows. Now you can't say its because us American don't know .... about WRC, because I think he is well know in Europe, but yet Rossi is the talk of the event. A motorcycler trumping the rally guy, at a rally event.

As far as Americans being patriotic, I don't understand your point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 9 2008, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, and you are a shinning example of one who doesn't know the difference.

You may think so, but i am more than aware of your total ignorance to all of my knowledge. It's a shame really that you are unable to see past or simply accept our differences in opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Dec 8 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>TP set of real fast, like a MX race, It took Knight about 30 mins to reel him in and then left him, and won by 2 hours.
Pastrana quit, he said the bike overheated, which it may of done, but only cause he couldnt physically keep goin, and keep air going through the rads..
Uhm, Dion, that was a mechanical that knocked out Travis. I'm not sure what you mean by Pastrana not being able to finish "physically" do you mean he couldn't push the bike to the finish line? This might explain the two hours.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 9 2008, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As usual, you fail to follow along in a string of points. Would it mattere if I repeated myself 10 more times? I think not, so today I only have the patience to explain it to you twice. End of.

I'm not interested in bashing the X-games (or the american rally series for that matter), i think it fits its purpose well and is a worthy event. But do you honestly think that in the context of international rally driving X-games medals hold any significant credibility compared to WRC podiums let alone titles? In the rally world super special stages are generally considered a necessary evil simply to make the sport more accessible to the fans, sponsors and TV coverage needed to keep the sport going.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 8 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you'll probably know this, what's the deal with TP's Subaru contract? Wasn't there some clause in his contract that would see him enter select WRC events in 2009 and then be a full time factory driver in the series in 2010?
Yeah, that was announced back in 06 if I remember correctly. .... I think it was even this month two year ago. They were suppose to put him in the sub series (called P-WRC) staring in 07, 08, then a jump to the premier class. There have been some glitches. Let me try to dig it up for you.

EDIT: (Hey Austin I found this, ....... I have a good memory, the .... was press release in 13 DEC06, and also here is an update).
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 8 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not interested in bashing the X-games (or the american rally series for that matter), i think it fits its purpose well and is a worthy event. But do you honestly think that in the context of international rally driving X-games medals hold any significant credibility compared to WRC podiums let alone titles? In the rally world super special stages are generally considered a necessary evil simply to make the sport more accessible to the fans, sponsors and TV coverage needed to keep the sport going.
Did you ever see the ROC where Leob beat Pastrana in the semi-finals? Then Leob lost to (can't remember his name, you can look it up). Would you say this was a show of talent? I mean, look, Travis made it to semifinal, Leob went to the final, is that a coincidence? Or perhaps it says something about their rally talent (which is what I think). Anyway, to answer your question, until we see these guys evenly matched on the same playing field with at least a bit of course time, then we really can't make that leap. So other than these made for TV events like X-games Rally and ROC, we can only speculate. Now many would have said Rossi was unbeatable in MotoGP, but he was beat, twice (lets not get into major discussion, just the face result for the sake of brevity). So Loeb, though he is the Holy Grail of rally, can and will get beat. I'm saying, the young buck Pastrana can do it (basing it on evidence from when he was matched up with rally greats like Collin (RIP) that he gave the man a run for his money and his domination of American Rally. So again, to answer you question, yes, there is credibility, this is the little we have to go on, but its something. If it were not, then why would these events attract superstars of motorsport across the globe?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 8 2008, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hell, I think they should mix in a roadracing/MX/Rally made for TV event and figure out some equation to see what's what.
hmmmmm..... a triathalon on wheels.... excellent idea! i like

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 9 2008, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhm, Dion, that was a mechanical that knocked out Travis. I'm not sure what you mean by Pastrana not being able to finish "physically" do you mean he couldn't push the bike to the finish line? This might explain the two hours.

Jumkie your talking ...., read the post.... he over heated because he was to slow !! erzburg 2005.
I admit that in 2006 TP Only finished 1 hour and 11mins behind Knight, so improves.

Valentino could beat Loeb on tarmac, they would look very even but in the WRC across different terrain Loeb is in a league of his own.

That american guy would finish way behind Valentino in Wales rally.

Yadda, yadda, yadda, Rossi god and so on and so forth. Got it.