Thank You God for Stoner and Ducati

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 6 2008, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.................................

2009 should be good.

Garry

YES. 2009 should be fun. Rossi and Stoner will still be the men to beat but Lorenzo, Dovizioso, Pedrosa (unless he fades away) and Hayden will more consistently be with them or very close, also thanks to an--hopefully--fair implementation of the single tire rule.

Then just wait that Simoncelli arrives... He's already 100% MotoGP-ready and could even become the heir of Valentino Rossi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 6 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YES. 2009 should be fun. Rossi and Stoner will still be the men to beat but Lorenzo, Dovizioso, Pedrosa (unless he fades away) and Hayden will more consistently be with them or very close, also thanks to an--hopefully--fair implementation of the single tire rule.

Then just wait that Simoncelli arrives... He's already 100% MotoGP-ready and could even become the heir of Valentino Rossi


Agree Simoncelli is very good, but I think he will get a heated reception in motogp if he doesn't tone down the agression a tad. But you're right, he is more ready than Bautista or Kallio for promotion to the premier class.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 6 2008, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree Simoncelli is very good, but I think he will get a heated reception in motogp if he doesn't tone down the agression a tad. But you're right, he is more ready than Bautista or Kallio for promotion to the premier class.

Simoncelli is aggressive but he's not a punk like Barbera for example, I think he's within reason... He reminds me of Rossi-1999 in 250, his riding style almost begging for more power and a bigger bike. Rossi already said he will stop giving him advice when he moves to MotoGP (he currently does, the two are friends and often train together).

yes thank god for him

lets see...thank god for Biaggi...he was fun to...ummmm...Hey thank god for Gibbers...can't forget him.....OH Nick, thank god for him....he was the first guy to nab the Championship from rossi....
Yes i agree... lets thank GOD for all the muppets Rossi has had to stomp...good stuff GOD.

After watching the race for the 2nd time, I've really come back to reality with Rossi. After the last 2 years in the wilderness, today more than any other race this season shows why I have appreciated his talents so much. He had nothing to prove, he's won the title, he may or may not have had an injury that would have forced lesser people to give up, ride around and get a few points and move on.
But not Vale, not this year, this year he really has shown how much hunger he has had to win back the crown. He rode like the demon racer he has always been. He never gave up, and that's one of the reason's why he's so damn good. He has always done well at PI and rates it as one of his favourite tracks, the fans have always given him a rousing reception and he in turn has always put on a great display.
I hope it is Stoner that has bought out the best in Rossi, and I hope that he will continue to do so if it brings Rossi out to ride like he did. Stoner rode a brilliant race and has, besides a few stupid mistakes had a very good season. To defend a title is a lot harder than winning it, so I hope he learned a lot from this year.
I hope next year, a few more riders can push Vale to the limit, along with Stoner, to see how far his brilliance can shine. I've always hated comparing eras and riders from different eras, but Rossi keeps getting closer to sainthood.

It isn't totally Stoners fault that he lost the title this year just as it isn't all to Rossi's credit that he won. Good and bad luck played a big part but it was going to be one or the other as no one else is in the same league. Hayden had the balls to take on the pnuematic engine project where Puig/Pedro played safe and complained about tires. No way to win if you ask me.

I fully agree that without Stoner the last 2 years would be pretty boring and predictable. Maybe if Rossi had won the title every year since '01 he would've left the series already.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>[b It isn't totally Stoners fault that he lost the title[/b] this year just as it isn't all to Rossi's credit that he won. Good and bad luck played a big part
stoner lost rossi won, live with it ! i sometimes wonder if you are tom with 2 accounts, you both talk the same .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It isn't totally Stoners fault that he lost the title this year



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You can't highlight only one part of the sentence and keep it in context so your rebuttal is senseless.

It was hardly Stoners fault that the Ducati was not running correctly at the start of the year. But it was and he surely would have had more points to cushion him against the later falls after Laguna. I said was there was only 2 of them able to win the championship IMO and in the same league as far as riding ability goes. Obviously, if one of the two falls or gets a DNF the other would benefit in points regardless of what they did in the race(in Rossi's case coming in first to Stoners DNF's was about as much as advantage as you can get without having to finish the race in front of your rival, not saying he couldn't have). It worked out to Rossi's benefit this year. Last year was the opposite. Stoner benefited from the Yamaha/Michelin problem and that could hardly be blamed on Rossi's talent. Think for gods sake.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't highlight only one part of the sentence and keep it in context so your rebuttal is senseless.

It was hardly Stoners fault that the Ducati was not running correctly at the start of the year. But it was and he surely would have had more points to cushion him against the later falls after Laguna. I said was there was only 2 of them able to win the championship IMO and in the same league as far as riding ability goes. Obviously, if one of the two falls or gets a DNF the other would benefit in points regardless of what they did in the race(in Rossi's case coming in first to Stoners DNF's was about as much as advantage as you can get without having to finish the race in front of your rival, not saying he couldn't have). It worked out to Rossi's benefit this year. Last year was the opposite. Stoner benefited from the Yamaha/Michelin problem and that could hardly be blamed on Rossi's talent. Think for gods sake.
so it wasnt stoner fault he fell out of 2 races while out up front all on his own ?. rossi still had a bad race (assen) luck hasd nothing to do with him winning, just pur grit and determination by him and his team.

you think !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't highlight only one part of the sentence and keep it in context so your rebuttal is senseless.

It was hardly Stoners fault that the Ducati was not running correctly at the start of the year. But it was and he surely would have had more points to cushion him against the later falls after Laguna. I said was there was only 2 of them able to win the championship IMO and in the same league as far as riding ability goes. Obviously, if one of the two falls or gets a DNF the other would benefit in points regardless of what they did in the race(in Rossi's case coming in first to Stoners DNF's was about as much as advantage as you can get without having to finish the race in front of your rival, not saying he couldn't have). It worked out to Rossi's benefit this year. Last year was the opposite. Stoner benefited from the Yamaha/Michelin problem and that could hardly be blamed on Rossi's talent. Think for gods sake.

actually...i can do whatever the .... i want, just like everyone else can and does. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

And as far as Rossi and Stoner being in the "same league as far as riding ability goes" YOU think for ..... sake

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't highlight only one part of the sentence and keep it in context so your rebuttal is senseless.
<span style="color:#FAFCFEBE VANQUISHED ROSSI BOPPER SCUM!!!
It was hardly Stoners fault that the Ducati was not running correctly at the start of the year. But it was and he surely would have had more points to cushion him against the later falls after Laguna. I said was there was only 2 of them able to win the championship IMO and in the same league as far as riding ability goes. Obviously, if one of the two falls or gets a DNF the other would benefit in points regardless of what they did in the race(in Rossi's case coming in first to Stoners DNF's was about as much as advantage as you can get without having to finish the race in front of your rival, not saying he couldn't have). It worked out to Rossi's benefit this year. Last year was the opposite. Stoner benefited from the Yamaha/Michelin problem and that could hardly be blamed on Rossi's talent. Think for gods sake.

+1

Join our Congress. You will need Congressional protection from the mindless bopper shock troopers. Ezy does whatever they want. Considering what you've just said, you're lucky you're still alive.

[paraphrase]It wasn't all Stoner's fault that he lost and it isn't 100% Rossi's credit that he won.[/paraphrase] Do you have a death wish?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 6 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1

Join our Congress. You will need Congressional protection from the mindless bopper shock troopers. Ezy does whatever they want. Considering what you've just said, you're lucky you're still alive.

[paraphrase]It wasn't all Stoner's fault that he lost and it isn't 100% Rossi's credit that he won.[/paraphrase] Do you have a death wish?

Hey take your fantasy "He's The Next Doohan Club" propaganda else where style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 6 2008, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so it wasnt stoner fault he fell out of 2 races while out up front all on his own ?. rossi still had a bad race (assen) luck hasd nothing to do with him winning, just pur grit and determination by him and his team.

you think !

He said it wasn't totally Stoner's fault that he lost the championshp, citing problems with the bike early in the season. Gsfan's argument reminds me of the rationalizations spewed from the VR fan club for the last two years.

Lex I would join the Congress except for two points. One, I don't understand the "greatest country in the world line" so it needs further explanation. Obviously, I'm not going to agree to any other country but my own being the greatest. Secondly, regardless of the Stoner/Rossi arguments with the "fanboys" I am actually a <u>Rizla/Suzuki fan</u>. If I win the lotto that may change 'cause I'll buy an 848 immediately then swiftly jump the fence but now I'm stuck with the SV.

Prodding the Rossi nitpicky fanboys is sometimes fun to break the boredom while waiting for my boys to cross the finish line after the race has been over for a minute or so but I don't seem to be able to break through their rosy haze coloured reality. Still, I soldier on....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It isn't totally Stoners fault that he lost the title this year
Agree that his bike in the early (after Qatar) stages of the season did have issues which cannot be blamed on Stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just as it isn't all to Rossi's credit that he won. Good and bad luck played a big part but it was going to be one or the other as no one else is in the same league.
Here's where you upset the Rossiboppers.

I agree that good and bad luck play their part every season. If Gibernau hadn't collected Capirossi in 2006 then I reckon he had a very good chance of winning that championship. Rossi not dropping it when he hit the dirt in the corkscrew this year is another example. Yet another is Rossi's "bad luck" in having poor tyres and bike failures in both 2006 and 2007 which benefited Hayden and Stoner respectively.

I do think that if you do the maths then Stoners DNFs in Brno and Misano did far more harm to his championship chances than bike issues in the early part of the season. If Stoner had finished ahead of Rossi in those two races (admittedly not guaranteed) then the points would be Rossi 322 to Stoner 295 now and it'd all be still to play for the next race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 6 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden had the balls to take on the pnuematic engine project where Puig/Pedro played safe and complained about tires. No way to win if you ask me.

I fully agree that without Stoner the last 2 years would be pretty boring and predictable. Maybe if Rossi had won the title every year since '01 he would've left the series already.
Given how the last two seasons have played out I concur that Stoner's presence has improved the racing and has indirectly improved the Yamaha. Without Stoner, would the Yam have looked quite so off the pace last year, and if not, would Rossi have been able to demand improvements?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 6 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YES. 2009 should be fun. Rossi and Stoner will still be the men to beat but Lorenzo, Dovizioso, Pedrosa (unless he fades away) and Hayden will more consistently be with them or very close, also thanks to an--hopefully--fair implementation of the single tire rule.

Then just wait that Simoncelli arrives... He's already 100% MotoGP-ready and could even become the heir of Valentino Rossi
Funny what you say about Simoncelli cause I was thinking the same thing. If he starts to do some after race grandstanding a bit that would be more like it. Jorge tries it but it aint the same from him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 5 2008, 02:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(This post can be a partial spoiler, do not read it if you haven't seen the race yet )

While watching the P.I. race, I was thinking... "Look, just take Stoner and his red Ducati out of the scene, and we would have the same Rossi absolute domination we've had since 2001".

Rossi is great and I admire him, but I also love to see some serious competition in the field.
Think that even now, with these 800cc and electronics etc., Rossi could still crash during QP, start 12th from the grid and win--but for Stoner.

Stoner and his Ducati have spoilt that potential scene for Rossi in the last two seasons but have made and are making the whole WC really fascinating and interesting. I think deep down Rossi too likes it better like this. He has recently acknowledged Stoner as a great champion and the toughest contender he ever met.

Otherwise, we would have to content ourselves with commenting Rossi's solo greatness, enjoying his scything through the fields and his final inevitable passes on Pedrobot or others.
Like this instead, thanks to Stoner, it is much better. And we are assured that as long as he races, the Doctor will have to be at his very best.



We all know Rossi felt sorry for Stoner and gave him the win. Rossi couldn't bare the thought of demoralizing Stoner again in front of his home crowd.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 6 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We all know Rossi felt sorry for Stoner and gave him the win. Rossi couldn't bare the thought of demoralizing Stoner again in front of his home crowd.
At least Stoner can win a race instead of just parade around like Shitya. Plus Stoner will have a ride for 09 unlike No-kan-doo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Oct 5 2008, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I honestly believe this is what Rossi would like as well. Having battles with everyone.
I've heard people say this before, but I don't think I agree. He would like the battles if he wins them, but I have read him be angry in the few times he has lost the battles. Think back to when Stoner beat him a few times, or when Elias put the moves on him at Turkey. Rossi wasn't exactly jumping for joy saying, like he did at Laguna "this is racing".

I don't think any rider, whoever good or honest they are will admit they like a battle they lost.