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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Dec 1 2008, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LOL, did you just say that all riders in motoGP are failures (not doing that well), with the single exception of Rossi?
No. By me saying the field is to deep it means that there is way to much talent in GP for Mladin to be in such a dominating role. He may do well but in no way would he be dominate. GP has a deep field of talent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Dec 4 2008, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No. By me saying the field is to deep it means that there is way to much talent in GP for Mladin to be in such a dominating role. He may do well but in no way would he be dominate. GP has a deep field of talent.

It was the two other sentenses I noticed.
1. "Wouldn't do that well"
2. "he could win a race or two but never dominate like ROssi."

As far as I know only one or two riders except from Rossi have done anything better than winning a race or two and they both took the championship. But I understand you didn't mean to make it look like this, I just thought it was funny when I saw the contradiction.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Dec 1 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I for one don't think Mat the gnat would do that well in GP. He may have but I just think that GP is to deep for him to be that successful in it. I would bet he could win a race or two but never dominate like ROssi.

Lay off the crack buddy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Dec 2 2008, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know about that gsfan, being North American and having many american friend of about the same age who were/are bike racing nuts - I believe the WC made its first and biggest inroads in the US around the Eddie Lawson era of early/mid 1980s. To say that it was virtually unknown until almost twenty years later is a bit of a stretch!
hate to disagree my friend. i've been into bikes most of my 50 years & i'll tell you now that unless you read bike mags or had a core group of bike racing nut friends as you & i, then you would know not of any type of two wheeled motorsport. there was no tv coverage that i can remember seeing of any road racing let alone motocross or supercrosson on terestrial tv. i was not able to watch a bike race until i got a satelite dish in 92 or 93, can't remember the exact year, while i was channel surfing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Dec 7 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i was not able to watch a bike race until i got a satelite dish in 92 or 93, can't remember the exact year, while i was channel surfing.

OH man!! You must have went nutts when it popped on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Dec 7 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OH man!! You must have went nutts when it popped on.
i couldn't believe my eyes to be honest! it was rite before speedvision ( speed now) came into being. it was an ama superbike race but i can't remember were it was or which channel it was on. the racing came on eraticly until speedvision & then i was in heaven! they use to show loads of bike racing. it's ashame what they've turned into....

It really used to be a good station with tons of bike racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Dec 8 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hate to disagree my friend. i've been into bikes most of my 50 years & i'll tell you now that unless you read bike mags or had a core group of bike racing nut friends as you & i, then you would know not of any type of two wheeled motorsport. there was no tv coverage that i can remember seeing of any road racing let alone motocross or supercrosson on terestrial tv. i was not able to watch a bike race until i got a satelite dish in 92 or 93, can't remember the exact year, while i was channel surfing.

I didn't say anything about TV or the general public. GSFAN's original statement was that Mladin could have gotten into MotoGP when CV entered in the 990 era (2002 to 2006) and that MotoGP was barely know at the time. I was merely pointing out that amoungst North American motorbike racing fans awareness was piqued in the early to mid 80s in the Eddie Lawson era, and yes, mags were the main source of info. An apt analogy would be who the .... in North America knew anything about the Tour de France before Lance came along unless you were a bicycle racing fan?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Dec 7 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hate to disagree my friend. i've been into bikes most of my 50 years & i'll tell you now that unless you read bike mags or had a core group of bike racing nut friends as you & i, then you would know not of any type of two wheeled motorsport. there was no tv coverage that i can remember seeing of any road racing let alone motocross or supercrosson on terestrial tv. i was not able to watch a bike race until i got a satelite dish in 92 or 93, can't remember the exact year, while i was channel surfing.

Those "elite" types like myself - who had cable in the early '80s could follow the GP championship and superbike here in the States on the local sports channel (the name of which I can't recall) where Dave Despain was the host. You couldn't see an entire race, excepting the Daytona 200 at which for some time they ran the F1 as it was called then, concurrently. But they did show brief clips then even of AMA-CCS club races. I still have a VHS tape somewhere where I can be seen blurredly flying by in an endurance race at Loudon. But I'd say back then it was pretty much just racers and their friends who were aware of the scene in Europe - and everybody had subscriptions to "Cycle News". Back then I would phone the warehouse on the Isle Of Man monthly to buy the latest GP videos. If you think off season is dark now . . . holy ...., it was really desperate then. There was nothing in the way of news.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Nov 26 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but at least they haven't given up trying.
Trying what? To get different results with the same riders on the same bikes?

It continues to look like they may have missed their opportunity to turn things in a new direction.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Dec 7 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hate to disagree my friend. i've been into bikes most of my 50 years & i'll tell you now that unless you read bike mags or had a core group of bike racing nut friends as you & i, then you would know not of any type of two wheeled motorsport. there was no tv coverage that i can remember seeing of any road racing let alone motocross or supercrosson on terestrial tv. i was not able to watch a bike race until i got a satelite dish in 92 or 93, can't remember the exact year, while i was channel surfing.
Agree. Only the hard core knew/know the MotoGP existed. Not even in the golden years of American domination did one hear about it in the States.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Nov 30 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mladin was...
Garry, as usual, a great post. And that is coming from a guy who ranks Mladin near the same category with Pedrosa. Fast, but a jerk of a human being. Either way, you made some great points about his brief and unsuccessful stint in GP.

Side note, when Spies was asked about his new teammate in WSBK, here is what he said.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Asked how he was getting along with new teammate Tom Sykes, Spies said: "Things are really different with Tom, we eat all our meals together, we're spending a lot of time together. He's sick today so he didn't get to ride much, but for sure, it's different than what I'm used to. He's a really good guy and we're working together to make the bike the best it can be. " LINK

It seems Mladin was a bit like Peders in the garage. I know these guys are there to race and not be friendly, but I consider a man's character as important as his ambitions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 10 2008, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It seems Mladin was a bit like Peders in the garage. I know these guys are there to race and not be friendly, but I consider a man's character as important as his ambitions.

Things may change a bit once they have had a few races together. It all depends on how Sykes will take his as woopin from his teammate

JUST IN!!!!




Capi just crossed the finish line...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Dec 9 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>. An apt analogy would be who the .... in North America knew anything about the Tour de France before Lance came along unless you were a bicycle racing fan?

Very good and very true

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 10 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Trying what? To get different results with the same riders on the same bikes?

It continues to look like they may have missed their opportunity to turn things in a new direction.
LINK

Give it up. Spies is gone. Suzuki have a set of good riders and a mediocre GP machine. That is the way it is. If you want to see something they make that is awesome check out the new GSXR1000. What a beauty.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 10 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It seems Mladin was a bit like Peders in the garage. I know these guys are there to race and not be friendly, but I consider a man's character as important as his ambitions.


Being fair here, there is the real probability that both Mladin and Spies were equally to blame for issues within their garage as both are extremely driven individuals.

At this point Spies likely does not know (but would have an idea) of who his real competition is to be in WSBK and therefore is yet to 'feel the heat' in that regards. Alternately, he is not the 'new kid on teh block' in the team as both are newcomers and therefore there is no established heirachy. Additionally each has a lot to be gained by learning from the other.

IMO (and I know you disagree), I feel that the Suzuki stuff was a likely smokescreen as Spies wanted a competitive ride, which he now has in a more 'genial' series. He can now learn and develop away from the MotoGP spotlight with no real (outside) pressure for success and as such he will likely be a far better rider when he enters MotoGP in 2010 to replace CE.







Garry

I like this picture:

^^^Nice

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Dec 10 2008, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you want to see something they make that is awesome check out the new GSXR1000. What a beauty.
Yeah, I saw one on the track as I passed it on the outside...on my supermoto.