The question is, if Ten Kate is allowed into MotoGP, which Honda satellite team will be the first to get the boot? Gresini (with Elias annd Melandri), LCR (checa) or Konika (Nakano)?
I think they should limit manufacturers to one or two sattelite teams, or possibly even make it so that they are only allowed to supply engines. The amount of Honda teams is getting rediculous.
Then Harley Davidson would get a chance to enter their bikes. I don't think there are many manufacturers out there who can make a competitive bike. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 30 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think they should limit manufacturers to one or two sattelite teams, or possibly even make it so that they are only allowed to supply engines. The amount of Honda teams is getting rediculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 30 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then Harley Davidson would get a chance to enter their bikes. I don't think there are many manufacturers out there who can make a competitive bike.
May be not, may be there are no other competitive Manufacturers, but they should limit any manufacturer to have the most 1/4 of the bikes on the grid… I mean imagine that of ‘Team Orders’ having half the bikes on the grid and the riders which would not comply getting the boot… might as well make it a Honda Cup (that way they cannot loose the Manufactures’ Title or the Championship for that matter deciding who wins and not). Would become a ‘Not’ World Championship! I bet Dorna agrees cause it’s all in the $$$ matter, but what their hardheads don’t see is that it would be the crappiest a couple of years from now and then they would loose more $$$.
PS. Hope I am not being paranoic!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 30 2007, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The question is, if Ten Kate is allowed into MotoGP, which Honda satellite team will be the first to get the boot? Gresini (with Elias annd Melandri), LCR (checa) or Konika (Nakano)?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 30 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think people who say he is trying to be Rossi are getting too bothered by the fact that somebody else likes to celebrate and entertain his fans.
The rider he is most similar too with his attitude and arrogance is King Kenny himself, probably not a coincidence since Kenny gives him advice often. As for moving to motogp, its a tricky one, buthe is no ..... and knows he wont be a team number one in his rookie year. He is smart enough to know that learning from an experienced rider is valuable. But i don't expect to see him with Rossi because Fiat have a two year deal but Jorge is heavily backed by Fortuna, they pulled out of motogp to back him afterall.
Could we see a return of Fortuna Honda pons, running Lorenzo and Checa?
I rest my case above!
May be not, may be there are no other competitive Manufacturers, but they should limit any manufacturer to have the most 1/4 of the bikes on the grid… I mean imagine that of ‘Team Orders’ having half the bikes on the grid and the riders which would not comply getting the boot… might as well make it a Honda Cup (that way they cannot loose the Manufactures’ Title or the Championship for that matter deciding who wins and not). Would become a ‘Not’ World Championship! I bet Dorna agrees cause it’s all in the $$$ matter, but what their hardheads don’t see is that it would be the crappiest a couple of years from now and then they would loose more $$$.
PS. Hope I am not being paranoic!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 30 2007, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The question is, if Ten Kate is allowed into MotoGP, which Honda satellite team will be the first to get the boot? Gresini (with Elias annd Melandri), LCR (checa) or Konika (Nakano)?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 30 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think people who say he is trying to be Rossi are getting too bothered by the fact that somebody else likes to celebrate and entertain his fans.
The rider he is most similar too with his attitude and arrogance is King Kenny himself, probably not a coincidence since Kenny gives him advice often. As for moving to motogp, its a tricky one, buthe is no ..... and knows he wont be a team number one in his rookie year. He is smart enough to know that learning from an experienced rider is valuable. But i don't expect to see him with Rossi because Fiat have a two year deal but Jorge is heavily backed by Fortuna, they pulled out of motogp to back him afterall.
Could we see a return of Fortuna Honda pons, running Lorenzo and Checa?
I rest my case above!
This is why possibly some cost cutting measures need to be brought in, then more manufacturers might enter. For example, KTM could step up, Aprilia could return, we've all heard the BMW rumours, then Triumph could even supply engines.. But the thing that puts them off seems to be money.
well the ideal situation would be to have the manufactureres supply equal numbers of bikes. and in theory it's supposed to be that way. honda said last year, and don't ask where i read it cause i won't remember, that they don't want to supply or are unable to supply more than six machines. the other manufactures, suzuki & kawasaki really, need to supply 2 more machines each. if ducati can supply two teams than suzuki & particularly kawasaki can surely supply 2 teams. nobody want's a honda cup, or ducati cup or anything remotely like that. but if honda don't supply these teams then we'd have 1 hell of a thin grid. as far as aprillia & ktm their to cheap to get involved so piss on em. especially ktm for that .... with team roberts last season. bmw may still get involved & i hope they do. they have the money! as far as ten kate go if they come in next season i expect them to replace lcr & the minolta team.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 30 2007, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just what we need,another honda team, i want to see other manifacturers come into the game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 30 2007, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think they should limit manufacturers to one or two sattelite teams, or possibly even make it so that they are only allowed to supply engines. The amount of Honda teams is getting rediculous.
I read in MCN last week that Honda actually want to reduce the amount of bikes they supply to the grid. But at this moment they can't do it. Six of 19 bikes on the grid are Honda and one is Honda powered. Seven of 19 are in one way or another tied to Honda. I think it would be better if Honda didn't have such a large share of the grid slots but if they back out to the level of Ducati or Yamaha we would be down to 16 bikes on the grid, of if they went the way of Suzuki and Kawasaki it would be 14. At this point, Honda has no choice but to continue with AT LEAST the same support they are giving, if not an influx of a new team. Not for the health of Honda, but for the health of the series.
Also of note, Dorna pays each factory to supply two grid slots and are offering double that amount for Suzuki and Kawasaki to supply one machine to a sattelite team. Paul Denning said Suzuki are seriously considering it because of their recent (relative) success. But my question is this, what team owner is willing to pony up the cash to run a team with bikes that are historically not on pace with the leaders. Especially with sponsorship money so scarce, it's likely the owner's money on the line. That's a big risk to take until Suzuki and Kawasaki start taking race wins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 30 2007, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think they should limit manufacturers to one or two sattelite teams, or possibly even make it so that they are only allowed to supply engines. The amount of Honda teams is getting rediculous.
I read in MCN last week that Honda actually want to reduce the amount of bikes they supply to the grid. But at this moment they can't do it. Six of 19 bikes on the grid are Honda and one is Honda powered. Seven of 19 are in one way or another tied to Honda. I think it would be better if Honda didn't have such a large share of the grid slots but if they back out to the level of Ducati or Yamaha we would be down to 16 bikes on the grid, of if they went the way of Suzuki and Kawasaki it would be 14. At this point, Honda has no choice but to continue with AT LEAST the same support they are giving, if not an influx of a new team. Not for the health of Honda, but for the health of the series.
Also of note, Dorna pays each factory to supply two grid slots and are offering double that amount for Suzuki and Kawasaki to supply one machine to a sattelite team. Paul Denning said Suzuki are seriously considering it because of their recent (relative) success. But my question is this, what team owner is willing to pony up the cash to run a team with bikes that are historically not on pace with the leaders. Especially with sponsorship money so scarce, it's likely the owner's money on the line. That's a big risk to take until Suzuki and Kawasaki start taking race wins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 31 2007, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Especially with sponsorship money so scarce, it's likely the owner's money on the line. That's a big risk to take until Suzuki and Kawasaki start taking race wins.
So as simple as 2 to 4 factory supported on 1 or 2 teams each manufacturer! Is it to wild of a thought?
So as simple as 2 to 4 factory supported on 1 or 2 teams each manufacturer! Is it to wild of a thought?
i agree with the statement of the konica minolta and lcr team beings liquidated and making aten kate team
I think Suzuki is in the right position to bring in a satellite team.. KM Honda has Japanese sponsorship so they might still be around after 08.. LCR can go back to Aprilia in 250 and Suzuki in MGP... Eugene Laverty won't do well in this year's Honda RS.
If Ten Kate comes in, it will be good for Honda as they are an experienced winning team... KM and LCR are not so good.
Kawasaki is still fumbling... I don't see a satellite team from them until 2010.. or more, no one currently wants to be associated with a team that is not focused to win...
If Ten Kate comes in, it will be good for Honda as they are an experienced winning team... KM and LCR are not so good.
Kawasaki is still fumbling... I don't see a satellite team from them until 2010.. or more, no one currently wants to be associated with a team that is not focused to win...
If the top Honda and Suzuki teams in WSB both move to Moto GP then it would not be good for the WSB series but would be good for Moto GP.
I know Ten Kate say they will keep their WSB team but their main focus will more than likely be the GPs.
Also, would Alstare Suzuki actually want to be a satellite Suzuki team or could Suzuki have 2 factory teams?
I know Ten Kate say they will keep their WSB team but their main focus will more than likely be the GPs.
Also, would Alstare Suzuki actually want to be a satellite Suzuki team or could Suzuki have 2 factory teams?
no such thing as 2 factory teams.
and hopper would lap circles around biaggi.
thats right, i said it
and hopper would lap circles around biaggi.
thats right, i said it
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Apr 2 2007, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no such thing as 2 factory teams.
and hopper would lap circles around biaggi.
thats right, i said it
Yeah i know 2 factory teams couldn't really happen but what i mean is if Alstare came up would them and Rizla get equal backing from Suzuki or would Suzuki focus their main efforts with the Rizla team?
and hopper would lap circles around biaggi.
thats right, i said it
Yeah i know 2 factory teams couldn't really happen but what i mean is if Alstare came up would them and Rizla get equal backing from Suzuki or would Suzuki focus their main efforts with the Rizla team?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ Apr 2 2007, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah i know 2 factory teams couldn't really happen but what i mean is if Alstare came up would them and Rizla get equal backing from Suzuki or would Suzuki focus their main efforts with the Rizla team?
If I got this right, the Rizla team is the factory team. That means that Rizla are allowed to give the team the name as the main sponsor, but they have little or no influense on the team that is run by suzuki.
Therefore there are no equal backing option available. The factory team are run by the factory, the others are not.
If I got this right, the Rizla team is the factory team. That means that Rizla are allowed to give the team the name as the main sponsor, but they have little or no influense on the team that is run by suzuki.
Therefore there are no equal backing option available. The factory team are run by the factory, the others are not.
well if u think about it all gp teams in a way are factory teams. i mean they are all on stuff that u or i could never possibly hope to aquire. it's not like sbk were we could head down to the local dealer, buy a bike, then prep it for racing & have at it competing against the factory sbk teams. it's not like the difference between say the repsol bike is that much different to the lcr bike. as opposed to the ducati of troy bayliss compared to the ducati of team pedercini. the question is who would suzuki give priority to? they may choose to support 1 rider in each of the rizla & corona squads. it's really about who gets the new bits 1st anyway. i'm sure the factory, if it comes to this, will decide. & i'm sure batta would expect at least 1 of his riders, biaggi no doubt, to be given full support.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 3 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm sure batta would expect at least 1 of his riders, biaggi no doubt, to be given full support.He wouldn't go to GP's without that promise, would be great for Gp's to see the likes of Blatta, Ten Kate, or even Yamaha Italia filling the grids, but a dubious prospect for the Flaminnis.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Apr 3 2007, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>a dubious prospect for the Flaminnis.
only drawback is what would happen to wsbk? if they went away thats less racing to watch...
